Friday, February 17, 2012

Jeremy Lin was Discriminated Against Due to His Race - and I Support It

Over the past two weeks, essentially the entire world has been gripped by one Jeremy Lin of the NBA's New York Knicks. As with Tebowmania last fall, more than enough has been written analyzing this astoundingly fast rise to athletic stardom and the attendant cultural phenomena surrounding it. Lin's underdog tale is essentially unprecedented, perhaps matched only by Kurt Warner's ascendancy from grocery bagboy to NFL MVP within the span of two years. To say he's an underdog does not do justice to the absolute shock of what Lin has done, though only the naive could characterize this as merely reflective of athletic prowess. Lin's Harvard pedigree, after being shunned by about every college team in the country, and the media market in which he plays have contributed to the media fervor. His unabashed religious faith, though oddly (wink wink) not a cause for concern as in Tim Tebow, also plays a role in the story.

You've got a sort of perfect storm - literally unbelievable underdog story, Harvard, New York media, social media, legitimately excellent play, and religion coming together. Oh did I forget something? Yes, he's Asian. Only a self-styled iconoclast like Floyld Mayweather has had the cajones to note this most important aspect of the Lin's popularity. Quite simply, we love novelty (and rooting for non-ghetto thugs). There's nothing more novel than an Asian-American NBA player, especially one playing at the level of LeBron and Kobe.

Ironically though, Lin doesn't play "Asian" or "white" at all; he plays rather "black" if one were to characterize his style. Previously I explained how European teams and players could compete with high-flying blacks - they basically don't play the same game. Yet Lin's game is decidedly black, premised on slashing and cutting to the rim, playing loose with the ball in favor of flashy scoring, and lacking precise mechanics in field goal and free throw shooting. Shockingly, Asian Lin excels as a legitimate athlete, his length, quickness, and athleticism actually matching those of his black peers.

So he's an Asian underdog, no doubt about it. But are the two connected? Given the skill level he's exhibited in the past few weeks and his lack of any apparent physical deficiency like being relatively short, one can unequivocally state that Lin was discriminated against due to his Asianness. I don't mean just the admittedly hilarious taunts directed his way at Ivy League basketball games, such as "Open your eyes" and "Do my math homework" (OK, I made the second one up). I mean, through each step of his basketball ascension, Lin has been underestimated due to his Asianness. He got no major college interest, didn't get drafted, got cut by two NBA teams within a year, went back and forth four times to the minor leagues, and sat behind three point guards on the Knicks alone.

Justin, blogging at The Truth Shall Set You Free, notes:
Some people are comparing Jeremy Lin to Tim Tebow. The real comparison is Peyton Hillis.

A guy of the wrong skin color who was ignored until a pile of injuries and coaching desperation led to him getting a shot, who then demonstrates he is one of the best in the business.

Yes, it does explode the lie, in a big and non-ignorable way, that professional sports is some kind of pure meritocracy. Most of all, it deconstructs the idea that pro sports talent evaluators, including coaches, are any good at their jobs. And, yes, racial stereotyping plays a big part in that disability.
I had originally wrote much of this post in responding to Paul Kersey's prodigious writings on SEC football and race, but Justin shares Kersey's perspective:
For every guy like Jeremy Lin or Peyton Hillis, there are scores of other athletes who never got their shot.
I agree that sports stereotyping and discrimination exist, primarily against white athletes in basketball and football positions like wide receiver and running back. Coaches will disregard a white (or Asian) player merely on the basis of his skin color, preferring the "fast" black athlete to the less flashy, but perhaps equally successful, white player.

Justin, Kersey, and those at sites like Caste Football seem to perceive race-based sports discrimination as a negative. While I agree that many white athletes never get their shot, I wholly support race-based sports discrimination in favor of blacks. Why? Because it shows that HBD is alive and well. It shows that stereotyping exists in a must-win field. It shows that coaches, talent evaluators, and general managers have accepted the existence of race-skewed aptitudes, viewing whites as cerebral and blacks as physically gifted (with Asians sticking to math and karate). Unlike the pointy-headed intellectuals in education and government, sports people believe in HBD and will put their livelihood on the line as collateral for that view.

With the often evident differences in physical proclivity out there for all to see, sports still represent the best means of propagating a race realist worldview. The insular whites of SWPLdom have the realities of race shoved right in front of their faces every time they watch the 100m dash, the NBA finals, or Olympic swimming. The sports domination of blacks, perhaps slightly amplified by discrimination against white athletes, is the most obvious and maybe only currently socially acceptable proof of HBD.

One supposes then that the realities of racial physical differences can inform other aspects of society or at least allow HBD to gestate while social mores and genetic science progress. And what do we lose - a few white athletes don't advance in sports? Unfortunate, but I'll take saving the country from demographic ruin over that. If stereotypes can exist so openly in one central institution of society, then perhaps stereotypes haven't really died at the hands of post 60's progressivism.

Editor Note: I tried to be neutral in the above post, but I don't want to actually give a negative impression. I actually love Lin's underdog story; it's fantastic, like a real-life Rocky. And he seems like a nice kid, so bravo for him. But let me also add that there's nothing more pathetic than someone over the age of 16 revering a professional athlete, such as holding up signs at games, carrying cutouts of the player's face, or wearing some self-made shirt extolling the given athlete. "Lin-sanity" has motivated a dishearteningly high amount of this behavior.

42 comments:

Anonymous said...

Jeremy Hoo?

stonelifter said...

Part of being successful in sports is out thinking the other guy; studying game film, learning the other teams and other players; making accurate, fast paced decisions with very little time to gather intel and predicting the other guys actions/ reactions

All that to say, my guess is his brain power plays a major role in his success.

Anonymous said...

Who cares if he's black, white, yellow, green or a three-eyed purple polka-dotted Indian?

As long as he keeps the dumb goyim glued to the tee-vee screen, that's good enough for me.

Go, team, GO! (Derp)

Lucky Jim said...

Now he should do what the brothers on the court do, get himself a Chinese character tattoo that means something utterly different from what he intended.

Anonymous said...

I wonder if there is a diet angle here with Asian athletes. Basically, Asians eating more and better will be able to realize more of their potential than before.

Anonymous said...

The Christian thing really only pisses people off if the Christian is anti abortion, which Tim Tebow is. If Tim Tebow were a vocally anti abortion atheist, he would get just as much shit as he does for being outwardly Christian. Look at Obama, he is always telling people how Christian he is and how pro abortion he is. It is not about religion other than the religion of abortion. Also, notice how when a post here says something positive about some religion or religionists generally due to their constructive conservative values, atheists are basically nonplussed. But write anything anti abortion and folks go ballistic.

Bottom line. It ain't religion. It is abortion.

Anonymous said...

Anytime an "outsider" can penetrate the blacketball court, I'm all for it!

Go Jeremy Lin...take it to them and give no aid nor comfort to those ghetto thugs. Dude's smart, too!

Anonymous said...

"Stereotyping saves time."

Coaches and talent evaluators, like almost anyone, have to make imperfect decisions with imperfect information under imperfect circumstances. Race is a cheap and easy way to do so.

If you think people who watch 1000s of hours of game film overlooks a dude because he's white your crazy. Discrimination happens at the margins, when two people seem about equal and race becomes the deciding factor.

As for late round/undrafted players rising to stars, its not all that uncommon. It happens in every sport every year. Talent is closer then people think, peoples talent level can change with practice and a change of circumstances. It doesn't really prove anything.

Anonymous said...

What are the odds Lin will be broke 5 years after he retires from the NBA?

Anonymous said...

blacks are [hyscally superior to everyone

whites are at the bottom

if anything white privilege gives whites an unfair advantage

ben tillman said...

"Stereotyping saves time."

Coaches and talent evaluators, like almost anyone, have to make imperfect decisions with imperfect information under imperfect circumstances. Race is a cheap and easy way to do so.


True, but unlike salaries in the NFL and NBA, the amount of time and money a franchise can spend on scouting is not capped. You can win consistently by looking for the exceptions, as the New England Patriots have proven.

Justin said...

Timely mention of the Patriots. Reading an article on Lin this morning, I also realized Wes Welker is a great comparison to Lin. Not offered a scholarship, not invited to the pro combine, kicked around a couple pro teams, never really taken seriously.

For whatever reason, the pro sports writers seem either blind to the obvious racial angle, or refuse to touch it.

They are framing the story as "underdog who made the most of his shot" a la Kurt Warner, rather than "victim of discrimination who proved the system unjust".

SFG said...

"But let me also add that there's nothing more pathetic than someone over the age of 16 revering a professional athlete, such as holding up signs at games, carrying cutouts of the player's face, or wearing some self-made shirt extolling the given athlete. "Lin-sanity" has motivated a dishearteningly high amount of this behavior."

You're a nerd. So am I, but this is normal behavior for most people. Young men are not going to idolize Charles Darwin until you can convince girls to want to sleep with scientists. This is the old atavistic desire to be the best hunter; evolution has made ladies a lot more interested in physical prowess relative to its use in modern society.

stonelifter said...

I've not yet seen a negro carry the Husafell Stone, squat a 1000 pounds or out swim Phelps. They are also equally under represented in SF, Ranger Bat's, Seal teams and CAG.

so you can shove that blacks are physically superior stuff up your ass

nikcrit said...

One,
We've discussed the same issues before, so I want get to specific or absolute in my criticism, but I think you're a bit too racially rigid when it comes to both A) Assessing athletic styles and performance levels between-and-among the races; and b) in assessing the racial component when analyzing fan reaction of start athletes.
Despite your best efforts, I still am adamant in saying that I don't in any way resent or begrudge Tim Tebow his fame; and I too was as much enthralled in the fun-if-petty thrills of 'Linsanity' ------ which I believe has little do with his race beyond the relative oddity of being Asian and in the NBA; that alone is something to casually champion (in a goofy, fun pro-sports-fan way); contrasting that dearth of representation against a more strongly represent race is unnecessary and quite secondary to the phenomena.
Lots of sports fans, and lots of people in general, particularly those who COINCIDENTALLY grew up in integrated AND middle-class environments are often casually blind or indifferent to race ----- and not in the service of any conscientious p.c. ideals, but because it jibes with their core formative experiences!

Anonymous said...

"True, but unlike salaries in the NFL and NBA, the amount of time and money a franchise can spend on scouting is not capped. You can win consistently by looking for the exceptions, as the New England Patriots have proven. "

Sailer published something awhile back showing that for starters, there is very little evidence of discrimination, but that it increases as you go to backups, practice squad, etc.

It makes sense that the highest profile athletes get the most scrutiny, so you don't need to make race a big factor. For the 7th round pick when you are mailing it in after being awake 72 straight hours you take a lot of shortcuts.

Anonymous said...

Consider this, OneSTDV.

"I'm always on OUR side."

Sports discrimination is horrible - because it is disadvantageous to whites. Anything that harms our race is bad. Anything that castes us in a negative light is bad. Anything that puts non-whites ahead of whites is bad. I will always be on OUR people's side.

Anonymous said...

Consider this, OneSTDV.

"I'm always on OUR side."

Sports discrimination is horrible - because it is disadvantageous to whites. Anything that harms our race is bad. Anything that castes us in a negative light is bad. Anything that puts non-whites ahead of whites is bad. I will always be on OUR people's side.

Anonymous said...

Consider this, OneSTDV.

"I'm always on OUR side."

Sports discrimination is horrible - because it is disadvantageous to whites. Anything that harms our race is bad. Anything that castes us in a negative light is bad. Anything that puts non-whites ahead of whites is bad. I will always be on OUR people's side.

helene edwards said...

This analysis is wrong, as a result of your misunderstanding of the modern NBA game. The reason Lin was passed over by the Warriors and Rockets is because those coaches are defensive-minded. Everyone knows Dantoni is the only coach in the league who plays a motion/running game while de-emphasizing defense. So Lin can fit in. It's also why Tony Parker, a similar player, could be so good with the Spurs - because Tim Duncan was hanging back there to clean up defensive mistakes. If you're playing a half-court game like most NBA teams do now, you can't start a guy like Lin.

Anonymous said...

Whatever happened to that German basketball player that everyone was talking about last year?

nikcrit said...

"Whatever happened to that German basketball player that everyone was talking about last year?"


Dirk Nowitzki? (There's your Aryan MVP)

BReeda said...

Yes, it does explode the lie, in a big and non-ignorable way, that professional sports is some kind of pure meritocracy. Most of all, it deconstructs the idea that pro sports talent evaluators, including coaches, are any good at their jobs. And, yes, racial stereotyping plays a big part in that disability.

Sorry, you need more than a few anecdotes to "explode the lie."

The case against there being discrimination in sports is the same against there being discrimination against minorities or women in the job market. If everybody is passing up great white and Asian athletes, then all it would take in any sport is one franchise to scoop up all that overlooked talent. The more discrimination there supposedly is, the more advantage there is to the potential nondiscriminator.

OneSTDV said...

As long as he keeps the dumb goyim glued to the tee-vee screen, that's good enough for me.

This is one thing the elites (wait, are you actually blaming this on Jews?!?) have had no hand in. From the Roman gladitors through Babe Ruth to today's soccer hooligans, the masses just really love sports.

Basically, Asians eating more and better will be able to realize more of their potential than before.

Asian-Americans are significantly taller than their Asian parents. Meat eating?

Coaches and talent evaluators, like almost anyone, have to make imperfect decisions with imperfect information under imperfect circumstances. Race is a cheap and easy way to do so.

Good point.

As for late round/undrafted players rising to stars, its not all that uncommon. It happens in every sport every year.

In football and baseball - yes. But not in basketball. Something like 23/24 of of this year's All-Stars were top 10 draft picks.

What are the odds Lin will be broke 5 years after he retires from the NBA?

Is negative million an acceptable guess?

I also realized Wes Welker is a great comparison to Lin.

Disagree and it's why I added the point that Lin lacks any obvious physical handicapped. Quite simply, Welker is way too short to be an effective WR. The fact that he is so fantastic is plain unbelievable. I don't blame people for discounting him on that alone.

You're a nerd. So am I, but this is normal behavior for most people.

"Nerd", right up there with aspie for most overused internet characterization. Rooting for sports (which I do) and revering individual players are two different things. I would never put another man's face on my t-shirt.

Sports discrimination is horrible - because it is disadvantageous to whites. Anything that harms our race is bad. Anything that castes us in a negative light is bad. Anything that puts non-whites ahead of whites is bad. I will always be on OUR people's side.

Blacks are much more fluid (I would say better) dancers. It makes whites look bad, I guess. But I couldn't care less. The fact that blacks excel at sports over whites shouldn't have anything to do with characterizing whites as a race. It's a goddamn game.

This analysis is wrong, as a result of your misunderstanding of the modern NBA game. The reason Lin was passed over by the Warriors and Rockets is because those coaches are defensive-minded.

No actually he was let go by the Warriors because they needed more money to get a top free-agent. And note that you're assuming Lin is not a good defender when he actually is a decent defender. His steals numbers are very high.

Dirk Nowitzki?

He was being sarcastic.

If everybody is passing up great white and Asian athletes, then all it would take in any sport is one franchise to scoop up all that overlooked talent.

You could say the same thing about all the players currently not playing, which hints at the fact that your argument is faulty. Think about it - every single year there are tons of NFL players who make the All-Star team and came out of nowhere, not getting drafted, not playing the previous season, playing in a minor league, etc.

If a general manager could see into the future, he could cherry pick an entire all-star team just from the practice squad and bench players of the league's teams. But of course, no one can do that because it's always a surprise. (I had a stronger analogy when I started, so if you see it in there, let me know. I'll levae this part of my comment just because I like the thought experiment, not because it was really relevant to what you said.)

bobn said...

Because it shows that HBD is alive and well....With the often evident differences in physical proclivity out there for all to see, sports still represent the best means of propagating a race realist worldview. The insular whites of SWPLdom have the realities of race shoved right in front of their faces every time they watch the 100m dash, the NBA finals, or Olympic swimming.

And it matters not at all, because you underestimate the willful evil of doublethink:.

to forget, whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again, and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself

Convincing people of anything, through mere demonstration, when they are indoctrinated to practice this is hopeless.

PK calls them Disingenuous White Liberals - not Unknowing White Liberals - for a reason.

The physical disparities are only useful when confronting those who actually care about facts. That leaves out "The insular whites of SWPLdom" and a very big chunk of the rest of the population.

Asher said...

Why in the world would you link to a moron like Justin with all his Jew issues?

Ian said...

Part of being successful in sports is ... making accurate, fast paced decisions with very little time to gather intel and predicting the other guys actions/ reactions

Rapid improvisation is one area where it seems that the African brain works on average better than the European or Asian brain (think jazz, rap, black oratory style, and black style of play in football or basketball).

I imagine that, during the extreme conditions of the ice ages, more Northern populations evolved some new mental traits (abstract analytical reasoning, logic, future-time orientation, self-restraint) that helped them survive. This meant losing other strengths - like real-time improvisation.

It would be nice if anthropologists, social psychologists, and sociologists did well-structured research into actually interesting/important questions like this (rather that counting the number of blacks in superbowl commercials or measuring their level of perceived discrimination by Denny's hostesses or whatever crap they're up to now).

OneSTDV said...

Rapid improvisation is one area where it seems that the African brain works on average better than the European or Asian brain (think jazz, rap, black oratory style, and black style of play in football or basketball).

It would be nice if anthropologists, social psychologists, and sociologists did well-structured research into actually interesting/important questions like this

Totally agree, it would be fascinating. And I agree that blacks do seem much better at rapid improvisation. Two central aspects of black culture, freestyle rapping and the dozens ("yo momma" jokes) depend heavily on that.

[I recall Sailer writing about this in one of his long ago VDare articles.]

OneSTDV said...

blacks are [hyscally superior to everyone

whites are at the bottom

if anything white privilege gives whites an unfair advantage


I don't know why it's taken me this long, but I'm now convinced this is a right-wing troll, i.e. someone on "our" side.

Note that this same person also posts very articulate anti-racist posts as well. Couple that with his obviously contrived spelling errors and his constant mention of black sexual prowess (ironic since he claims to be a white male), there's no way this guy is for real.

Definitely a troll.

The next question is: why? Trying to rally the troops by pissing people off? Or just having fun mocking blacks and SWPLs/DWLs?

nikcrit said...

"don't know why it's taken me this long, but I'm now convinced this is a right-wing troll, i.e. someone on "our" side."

Well, yeah..... that was pretty obvious to me right way. But most commenters here shot me down when I said as much.
You're right though; I saw it right away too: the contrived typos are a giveaway.
That or it's someone both too clever and too pathetic to even try to figure out. That's very possible as well.

SFG said...

""Nerd", right up there with aspie for most overused internet characterization. Rooting for sports (which I do) and revering individual players are two different things. I would never put another man's face on my t-shirt."

OK, noted.

For the record, I usually don't root for sports...but I'd never put another man's face on my t-shirt either.

I should add that I think personality types are a real part of human biodiversity that is, in some cases, actually adaptive (we need both CEOs and engineers), and we need some way to talk about them, and even if it's kind of silly and based on schoolyard taunts, everyone knows what a nerd and a jock are.

Too Tall Jones said...

So he's an Asian underdog, no doubt about it. But are the two connected? Given the skill level he's exhibited in the past few weeks and his lack of any apparent physical deficiency like being relatively short, one can unequivocally state that Lin was discriminated against due to his Asianness.. Lin has been underestimated due to his Asianness..

Not so sure on this one. If he was discriminated against due to his Asianness he would not be playing in the NBA. You mentioned one factor that contradicts your claim - Lin actually is relatively short for an NBA player: 6 feet 3 inches to 6' 4". Short players are routinely discriminated against in organized basketball starting with high school level, just as small players are routinely discriminated against in football. Its the nature of the sports. Short players need to hone their skills to give them an edge that compensates for lack of height- whether it be speed, shooting, etc. Short guys like Calvin Murphy or Spud Webb who obtained fame did just this.

Is Lin getting some extra press because he is Asian? Sure. There is that as a novelty factor. But the cold fact is that (a) his lack of playing time or attention is nothing unusual for a short guy in the NBA, and (b) if he could not produce on the court, he would not, and should not be there. His production first is what counts, then the Asian novelty factor kicks in. No one would have ever heard of Lin if he were a dud on the court.

Much has been said about Lin being a role model by "earning his way" to NBA pro status. Indeed. But that is nothing special. There are hundreds of other good black guys that earn their slots the hard way in the NBA. No one ever did a guy like Calvin Murphy at 5'10 any favors.

ANd Lin has not been "underestimated" because of his Asianness, nor are aspiring white b-ball players "underestimated" because they are white. Any such claim is dubious. WHat hurts white b-ball players is the sheer volume of the competition. A good white guy out of Indiana is faced with competition from 50 good black guys from someplace else. With that kind of volume, a white player, as well as ANY player hoping to play pro, needs to be more than just "good."

Some though have argued that mediocre or flawed white guys get a special pass in the NBA. This was certainly the case before integration as numerous histories of the game show. Fast forward to the 1990s. Take white Dwayne Schnitkus out of the University of Florida. Schnitkus was a decent, but not an All-American level player. Schnitkus' career was also marred by disciplinary problems. He was known as a malcontent, always in some kind of spat with fans, or even mascots. During his junior season, he assaulted a person and a car with a tennis racket outside of a nightclub. He was a guy ho failed to show up for practices. He was suspended for a number of fights. He quit the Gators team, losing tens of thousands of dollars in draft signing prospects. So how did he make it to the pros? Even in the pros he had disciplinary problems- placed on waivers by the Kings in one instance.

Under the dubious "suffering white guy theory" Dwayne should never have appeared in the NBA. But he did- a decent player but not outstanding. If this alleged anti-white "discrimination" existed, the undisciplined white quitter should never have made it. But he did, right on into the pros, until injuries dogged him out. If anything, Dwayne's case suggests that there might be PRO-WHITE discrimination in basketball. Superstars get away with a lot, but if just another good black, non-superstar guy did the things Dwayne did, he might never have made it. Using a "racial" approach, it could thus be argued that Schnitkus and other mediocre white guys get a special pass, because he is white.

nikcrit said...

Too Tall Jones says,
"Lin actually is relatively short for an NBA player: 6 feet 3 inches to 6' 4"."

Lin's height puts him right in the middle to upper-middle range of heights for NBA point guards.
That fact would seem to mar much of what you subsequently say in your comment, since you put so much weight on the height thing from the start.
I mean, Brandon Jennings is a few inches shorter; he's listed at 6'1" but i'd argue he's closer to 5'11" in reality, and he's among the better such young nba players at the position.
I don't think Lin is particularly discriminated against; he's being feted in many ways. But whatever unusual things he's going through for a man in his position, I don't think any of it has to do with his height.

nikcrit said...

p.s.,
Wikipedia claims that the avg. nba point guard ranges from 5'11' to 6'4" ; that seems a tad short to me, but such a range would put Lin at the tall end of the average---- (i'd say his height makes him avg. to slightly tall for the position).
perhaps Too Tall meant to say Lin was short for Two-Guard (even tho he's technically a point guard), as Wikipedia places that postion's avg range between 6'4'-6'7". To some degree, Lin's listed as a point but his game and avg-shots per game make his stats more analagous to that of a '2' guard.

In any case, the Knicks are going to need a very, very judicious point guard to distribute that pill amnongst Mello, Amare and the other scorers on that team.

OneSTDV said...

Lin's height puts him right in the middle to upper-middle range of heights for NBA point guards.
That fact would seem to mar much of what you subsequently say in your comment, since you put so much weight on the height thing from the start.


Yea, his comment (and the sort of all-knowing tone) is just plain wrong. For a black guy he knows surprisingly little about basketball.

A legitimate 6'3 (which it appears Lin is) would be considered ideal for a point guard and definitely on the upper end of point guard heights. For a 2-guard, yes it would be on the short side as 6'5 and 6'6 is presumed the prototype. But given his assists numbers the past few games and using Derrick Rose or Russell Westbrook as an example, Lin should definitely be considered a point guard.

Too Tall Jones said...

I don't think Lin is particularly discriminated against; he's being feted in many ways. But whatever unusual things he's going through for a man in his position, I don't think any of it has to do with his height.

OK, fair enough. Some sources do put the shooting guard ideal profile at 6'4 to 6'7 but let's say Lin's height is about in the range for NBA point guards. I endorse your point that there is/was no particular discrimination against him, because he is Asian. No one has yet come up with any credible evidence that he was "discriminated against because of his Asianness" I again ask- how so? Did people at pick-up games in high school say "you can't join our pick-up game because you are Asian"? If so, where is the evidence? And why did he play a prominent role on his HS team if he was supposedly getting smacked down for being Asian? Did NBA scouts take a look at him and say- no you can't play because you are Asian? If this were the case, he would not be in the NBA.

Furthermore Lin sought admission primarily to Ivy League schools and only 3 others- Berkely, Stanford and UCLA. The IVies do not offer athletic scholarships, and the big three he applied to have massive volumes of talent to chose from. Furthermore as press stories show- college coaches who saw Lin including his Harvard coach, were not initially impressed. He admits that he was not a flashy player with big moves. ONly on more long-term, detailed observation did the coach change his mind. This too is nothing unusual in the recruitment process. He had a good record in college but not coming from a big program hurts many players chances of being drafted. Its the nature of the beast.

nikcrit said...

RE: "The IVies do not offer athletic scholarships,"

That hasn't been true for a long time at least since the mid-to-late '80s, and even before then, there existed ways to grease the skids, such as granting 'scholastic scholarships' to certain high-school athletes with avg. grades, etc. .....
Re: the whole post: I too don't believe Lin is truly 'discriminated against' in any way really worth considering; I think you're being a bit too literal and serious in your responses, Too Tall, as I believe OneSTDV's being a bit tongue-in-cheek re. this entire post, so lighten it up a bit.
And if I'm wrong, and One seriously is claiming 'yellowism' againat Lin, well, then he needs to lighten it up! (lol!)

OneSTDV said...

I believe OneSTDV's being a bit tongue-in-cheek re. this entire post, so lighten it up a bit.
And if I'm wrong, and One seriously is claiming 'yellowism' againat Lin, well, then he needs to lighten it up!


I rarely write an entire joking post. I was being completely serious. Considering the ubiquity of Asian stereotypes (justified nonetheless) and Lin's fantastic play over the past 3 weeks, there's just no other explanation.

Recall that he was about to be cut for a third time and just on the Knicks was sitting behind THREE other point guards.

Think about that - you have a legitimate MVP candidate (if he keeps this up for 20 more games, he will be in the running) that was the last man on your bench!?!!?

That's essentially unheard of.

nikcrit said...

"That's essentially unheard of."

No doubt ----- but the intrigue and mystery remains: where was this talent previously and how did it seem to so suddenly appear?
Had Lin even hinted at half this brilliance earlier, he'd have gotten more due consideration, Asian or not.

I guess I see your point in that his 'Asian-hood' would make it that much easier to overlook his then-mediocre playing all that much easier, the same way someone doesn't look at me, a 6'3", 200lb.-plus black man and doesn't reflexively assume I'm a chess genius or p.c.-programming whiz (which i'm not, of course), but that's true for everyone in that each of us connotes something and DOESN'T connote something on a flash-stereotypical level.

As for the overall lack of Asian's in basketball, I simply chalk that up to their relative avg. shorter height; there's simply that statistically smaller a pool of potential NBA-caliber talent, since height is such a avg. prerequisite for success in that league. (e.g., i bet if you 'controlled' for height, you'd find a Asian predilection for b-ball talent on-par with other ethnicities).

Anonymous said...

Academic books or publications have branded Asians as inferior in cognition and all racial negative adjectives. This was in the 80's. Open your eyes of the Asian professionals in our hospitals, research facilities, university faculties in engineering and the sciences. It is hard to admit that Asians got brains. Mathematics, Science and technology are Asian forte while other ethnic group musically and sports talented. Let us share the INGENUITY OF NON-WHITE HUMAN BEINGS. I worked and lived in Apartheid South Africa for 5 years...THE TRUTH HURTS!!
DR. SERGIO A. OSIO, Ph.D. [USC.02]

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Too Tall Jones said...

No doubt ----- but the intrigue and mystery remains: where was this talent previously and how did it seem to so suddenly appear?
Had Lin even hinted at half this brilliance earlier, he'd have gotten more due consideration, Asian or not.


Exactly. Lin had several negatives against him- (a) playing style (he admits that he doesn't do very athletic moves and doesn't do well in less than 5 scrimmages- a staple of some pro tryout regimens), (b) unimpressive first impressions - even his Harvard coach was unimpressed at first viewing, (c) small market college arena- Ivy leaguers do not get the exposure of guys playing at UCLA for example, and (d) finally, and most important is the massive volume of competition out there for pro slots. There are plenty of good players out of every state. Being a great player at Harvard doesn't translate into instant success when you have 100 great players out of the Big-10. Most good college b-ball players nationwide will NOT be drafted. They have to rely on walk-on tryouts.

Lin, in fact got a shot commensurate with his background - just like everybody else. He was invited to tryout with 8 teams, and got a slot in the Summer League. Not bad at all, given the cut-throat nature of the beast, and his background. He did well in the Summer League and received offers to sign from 4 teams. If this is the result of "discrimination" then said "discrimination" is a good thing. It is certainly miles ahead of the real discrimination a generation of good black players had to endure before they got a chance to play in the NBA. In short, the notion of "discrimination because he is Asian" has little credibility.