I really getting sick and tired of HBD bloggers blaming everything on the Jews.But my argument did not rest on anything particularly controversial, as I (perhaps tacitly) made no appeal to the "ethnocentric" theory of Jewish collusion. This theory, most prominently espoused by Cal State professor Kevin MacDonald, holds that Jewish antagonism towards the majority culture results from a unique biological imperative in which Jews, like parasites, are deterministically spurred to action. I don't subscribe to that objectionable theory; instead, my argument was based on undeniably common Jewish attitudes and how those attitudes manifest in a scientific field rife with social bias.
I ask then is it so outlandish to suggest that some aspects of white Christian culture alienate Jews and that such exclusion would spur some Jews to do something about it. Take the now ubiquitous "Happy Holidays" greeting and the laughably inclusive "holiday" displays, a gross cultural shift that was undoubtedly led by all "those lonely Jews on Christmas". Half Sigma wrote a post describing "how Jews feel on Christmas":
I feel so left out during Christmas times :( Everyone is so excited to see all their family and put up the tree and all the rituals. Ever since a young kid I've always been jealous. I've always wanted to celebrate Christmas but my family doesn't...we are Jewish so we celebrate Hanukah...why aren't their any snowmen in blue and white?! Am I the only one this left out?!Some Jews feel left out from mainstream America, a fact evinced by just about every single Jewish-themed movie or TV show, from A Serious Man to Northern Exposure. Is it outrageous to believe that if the above person had the power to affect change, to moderate her "other-ness", that she would do so?
In looking at this issue, we should consider two social phenomena: motive and influence. Did mid-century Jews have the motive to stigmatize red meat and saturated fat and did they have the influence to do so?
Present at the Scene: Jews are very smart, so they inevitably rise to the top of intellectual endeavors. But the American ruling class didn't much want them around prior to the 1950's. That began to change around mid-century and they don't call it The Jewish Century for nothing. Going back to Taubes' description of the American nutritional field, he contends that a new generation of researchers came along after WWII:
The European physicians and researchers who hadn't died in the Second World War or fled the continent had far more pressing issues to deal with than obesity. In the United States, a new generation of physicians and nutritionists came along after the war and they were enamored with Newburgh's "perverted appetite" logic.On rather solid ground, we can presume many of these "new generation" researchers were either Jewish immigrants fleeing Europe or Jewish intellectuals making headway into the WASP elite. So was there an increasing amount of Jews "at the scene of the crime"? It appears so; the modern nutritional paradigm came along simultaneous to the growth of Jewish influence in nutritional science (latter from Taubes).
What was the motive? Admittedly, this argument rests on somewhat circumstantial evidence. We need to put Jews at the "scene of the crime" and give them ample motive, distinct from that of their leftist WASP peers, for fashioning a false nutritional narrative. Taubes' description and the incontrovertible prominence of American Jews in academia puts them "at the scene." So here's the motive.
A non-exhaustive list of meat currently stigmatized by the nutritional establishment reads like a traditional white Christian dinner: pork, ham, bacon, lard, and gelatin. Butter and oil, staples of down-home Southern cooking, are out too. And ever hear Dean Ornish or Andrew Weil encourage people to start eating hunting game like deer, rabbit, bird, and wild boars?
Now note the lack of overlap between Jewish cuisine and foods currently disparaged by health experts. With all due respect to Half Sigma, his claim that Jews hunt because one hunter-blogger has a sort-of-maybe-Jewish last name is worse than anything I've read on race liberal sites. Audacious Epigone crunched the numbers and concludes that Jews, being cosmopolitan and middle-class, are by far the lowest demographic in terms of hunting. Only 2.5% of Jews hunt, compared to about 20% of other religions, with that number assuredly way higher amongst white Christians, both working class and upper class. As for vegetarianism, AE finds that Jews "often" or "always" avoid meat at twice the rate of other groups, implying their cultural background does not dissuade them from adopting an anti-meat diet.
As for Jewish cuisine, you won't find Paula Deen-style steaks next to the gefilte fish. According to the Wikipedia article, Jews have historically avoided meat eating due to kosher dietary laws, which would apply to hunting meat as well:
The Jewish love of fish goes back to ancient times. With kosher meat not always available, fish became an important staple of the Jewish diet. As fish is not considered meat, it can also be eaten with dairy products (although some Sefardim do not mix fish and dairy).The most popular Jewish meat is chicken, perhaps the only "acceptable" meat according to our nutritional establishment. (I'm aware that barely any Jews still follow kosher laws, but prior to the 60s, most Jews would either adhere to these laws themselves or view kosher food as a sacred cultural idea corresponding with respect for elder family members.)
So can food really motivate behavior and class or ethnic snobbery? Writing at Fox News, James Richardson gives a fantastic description of this bias in the context of the "northern perspective" against Paula Deen:
But the Bronx cheer for apparent chef-turned-rebel terrorist Deen, a prototypical Southern mother with a lifetime's recipes of irredeemably deep-fried dishes, is less a reflection of the culinary elitism that runs through Bourdain's vice-ridden travelogues than the regionalist snobbery that fuels its appeal.Food is an undoubtedly important part of culture. It separates us and, in the context of this post, it signals those that belong to our group and those that do not. Quite simply, the mid-century Jewish food customs and restrictions cast many Jews as apparent outsiders, unable to engage in perhaps the most imperative group socializing activity - eating. As the Jewish commenter above, many Jews likely "felt left out" as their gentile peers munched on bacon, pork, and the exotic (at least to both Jewish and non-Jewish urbanites) meats like deer from their last hunt. And note that I haven't even broached the primary subject of my last post - postwar anti-German bias noted by Taubes, especially harmful since Germans pioneered the correct explanation for obesity and nutrition.
Yet the northern perspective of the South amounts to little more than a crude distillation of the most specious of stereotypes, the uncouth yang to their cultured yin. Reserving unparalleled contempt for the region's myths and manners, fundamental to northern exceptionalism is the notion of southern inadequacy.
[I]t takes only one church potluck to find the South's mothers incensed by the elitists volleys that have been coming at a kindred, indeed a legitimate icon, whose opus serves as the mortar for family gatherings both large and small.
The impulse for Bourdain to shepherd Deen and her flock, ignorant and fat the whole bunch, is driven by the presumption that inherent in the southern experience is something so harmful to the social accretion of our great union that it must be contained at all costs. God! Guns! Grease!
We know science suffers from rather astounding levels of bias, researchers seemingly content to fabricate global warming and HBD data in order to pursue social ends. So why must we repudiate the mere possibility that mid-century Jews tipped the scales for their own personal social gain? We know the nutritional establishment has been lying for sixty years now; perhaps there's a discernible reason for their doing so. (And it goes without saying that, yes, many gentiles were responsible as well, like Christian fundamentalist Kellogg and granola-eating types out West. But in this post, I'm concerned with the most substantial subgroup.)
57 comments:
HS is female?
"This theory, most prominently espoused by Cal State professor Kevin MacDonald, holds that Jewish antagonism towards the majority culture results from a unique biological imperative in which Jews, like parasites, are deterministically spurred to action."
No that is not right. That is not what Kevin MacDonald says.
Jews make up 2 percent of the population. Why should we forgo our cultural heritage and traditions in order to make them feel more comfortable ? Society as a whole already does enough of that as it is As I was growing up I honestly thought that Jews made up at least 40% of the population just based on how much attention they're given. In elementary school out my class of 30 there was 1 Jewish student, yet we focused just as much time discussing Hanukkah as we did Christmas.
Btw why do you insist on using the pejorative term WASP ? It's a word that liberals love to use to disparage Whites.
** This theory, most prominently espoused by Cal State professor Kevin MacDonald, holds that Jewish antagonism towards the majority culture results from a unique biological imperative in which Jews, like parasites, are deterministically spurred to action.***
I think you need to read MacDonald and amend your post. I'm pretty sure you've misrepresented him there.
Inb4 this thread gets turned into an argument with the KMD fan club.
OneSTDV, since you feel so strongly about this topic, why don't you sit down and do the necessary historical research so we can conclusively settle the question once and for all?
Because right now it's just a lot of handwaving speculation.
Handwaving speculation is right. It's amazing that in a discussion regarding Jews and meat consumption, he hasn't even touched on the question of the rates of observance of kosher eating. He also still wants to distort the definition of "vegetarian" and act as if stereotypical Jewish foods like roast chicken, lox, or gefilte fish are vegetarian.
The impulse for Bourdain to shepherd Deen and her flock, ignorant and fat the whole bunch, is driven by the presumption that inherent in the southern experience is something so harmful to the social accretion of our great union that it must be contained at all costs.
All you have to do is look at Deen (or, for that matter, her sons, who frequently appear on her cooking show and now have one of their own) to know that there is probably something unhealthy about the way she eats.
And of course, then you have the question of what Bourdain, neither Jewish nor vegetarian, has to do with a discussion of Jews and vegetarianism.
(I'm aware that barely any Jews still follow kosher laws, but prior to the 60s, most Jews would either adhere to these laws themselves
So were Jews pushing vegetarianism back when a higher percentage of them kept kosher?
I don't know... this "Are the Jews to blame for Vegetarianism" doesn't seem quite right.
I'm not going to speak for the past, but currently, I've known a number of Jews who didn't keep kosher and some of whom enthusiastically ate pork. But that's just anecdotal.
Second, I agree that Jews almost never hunt. Most of them are in very urban areas. So they don't hunt. And thus don't eat stuff like pheasant, boar, squirrels, deer, etc.
But neither do any of their fellow urbanites. For example, the Catholics in New York city aren't hunting or eating wild game either.
the Jews are the only people keeping Jews from being included in things like Christmas.
A few years back I was in Japan for Christmas. A couple of non-Christian Japanese folks told me merry Christmas and gave me a small birthday type cake, because they liked the trappings of Christmas and wanted to be kind to a stranger in a strange land.
the jews could do the same thing, but they elect not to.
I can't believe HS is in such a huff over this. Anyone could see that the original post was just a bit of intellectual speculation. Anyone but a Jew looking to stir up shit. Honestly people need to start explaining why they are not anti-semetic not why they are.
looking at the question from a larger perspective (one that includes the behavior of all groups):
there doesn't have to be a calculated, conscious conspiracy for an emergent conspiracy to organically manifest.
that is, when the majority of actions of individuals within a group closely align, either because of cultural pressures or genetic imperatives, the appearance is achieved of the group acting as a collective in its own interests and against the interests of other groups.
Jews are LAOT smarter than whites.
Based on future demographic inevitability you "white nationalists" would do well not to piss anyone off.
Subjective criteria such as "character" were added to Ivy League colleges' admissions criteria precisely to keep out the Jews who made it in completely off merit. Interesting how they didn't need to raise standards for blacks, whom the admissions tests managed to keep out. They still admitted Jews, but there was an absolute Jewish cap since they didn't want upper class WASPs to lose their spots. Today, there is a parallel situation with Asians. The more Asians admitted based off meritocracy, of course, implies fewer blacks and Latino/as being admitted. No one wants to be racist after all.
Also, women were admitted to the Ivies because they wanted to attract outstanding boys who preferred coeducational schools, and to maintain a predominantly upper class student body. This coeducational idea, of course it being as far back as the mid-50s at Yale, met with high-powered opposition. Arthur Howe Jr., who was dean of admissions at Yale back in 1956, advocated this radical coeducational idea, especially radical given that Yale has a reputation for being a manly Ivy. It was also feared that coeducation would diminish Yale's prestige. This all happened before my parents were even born.
As far back as the 60s, women primarily attended college because they wanted to be wives and mothers of highly prominent men rather than pursuing a career or "greatness".
On the weekends men at Ivies would typically visit women's colleges anyway, they reasoned, so why not bring women to the colleges.
PLEASE FOCUS ON JEWS AND VEGETARIANISM OR JEWS AND THEIR RELATION TO THE MAJORITY CULTURE, NOT WHAT KMAC SAYS OR DOES NOT SAY.
I will likely delete comments on the latter.
Kevin MacDonald is a vegetarian, so he says.
"This theory, most prominently espoused by Cal State professor Kevin MacDonald, holds that Jewish antagonism towards the majority culture results from a unique biological imperative in which Jews, like parasites, are deterministically spurred to action."
Someone hasn't read any of Kmac's books. :)
"Inb4 this thread gets turned into an argument with the KMD fan club."
In after this thread becomes an argument with asspained philo-Semites.
"...in which Jews, like parasites, are deterministically spurred to action."
Are you sure you didn't confuse Kmac with Goebbles? Good quote though.
I say re-read Dana's 'Jewish-intellectual-deduction" post in the initial thread; it allows for the POSSIBILITY of much of what is prematurely contended here and in the other comments of the original post, but without the premature conclusiveness.
Again: many 'thngs' ------ trends, movememnts, causes, dissents, 'isms' ----- are multi-sourced phenomena.
Mostly, I would think for a group or sphere of thought whose identity is already suspect by the mainstream, justly or not, why feed the skepticism by advancing ideas that truly do look rather loony in terms of seeming almost eager to attribute Jewish causation.
I don't mind Half Sigma's Jewish ethnocentrism. He is honest about it, and does seem to be able to laugh at himself.
Jews are LAOT smarter than whites.
Based on future demographic inevitability you "white nationalists" would do well not to piss anyone off.
They already behave towards us as if we have, and always will, so what's the problem?
the Jews are the only people keeping Jews from being included in things like Christmas.
A few years back I was in Japan for Christmas. A couple of non-Christian Japanese folks told me merry Christmas and gave me a small birthday type cake, because they liked the trappings of Christmas and wanted to be kind to a stranger in a strange land.
the jews could do the same thing, but they elect not to.
THIS is a good point. The pagan Japanese celebrate Christmas, but many Jews seem to have some religious compulsion not to. It's all because of their having rejected Jesus, so they don't want to celebrate His birthday.
Jews are LAOT smarter than whites.
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LOL, was that supposed to read A LOT smarter?
Based on future demographic inevitability you "white nationalists" would do well not to piss anyone off.
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really? I'd be careful if I was you. You might be smarter but I bet I'm better with a rifle
He should rename his site "The Hebrew Supremacist".
Wild game is incredibly popular at yuppie/SWPL restaurants. In Boston almost every hip restaurant has wild boar or venison in season. People like Anthony Bourdain, whom liberal white educated types love, is always promoting the taste of game and OneSTDV is coming across as incredibly provincial and uninformed in these posts.
If One would name names I would find his thesis to be more credible.
A Boston yuppie having venison medallions at a fancy restaurant for the novelty value (but make sure it's super lean!) is one thing. My uncle shooting a dozen deer, processing them in his garage, and putting hundreds of pounds of steaks, roasts, and ground meat in the freezer for the year is a very different thing. We're talking about two completely different scales, and some foodie interest in wild game isn't a drop in the bucket of what rural Americans kill and eat regularly.
One, when people work this hard to misunderstand what you say, it just shows you're onto something. I guess you need to replace "vegetarian" with "heavy on grains and vegetables," since people just can't get past your impossibly confusing use of the word.
Yeah, he's really on to something. Fish and chicken are vegetables. Anthony Bourdain is a Jew. The Torah does not command Jews to eat meat. All ethnic Jews keep kosher. Yes, Peter, it's evident he knows what he's talking about.
Correction: Aaron, not Peter.
The fact that this issue has caused some prickly feelings is evidence that your speculation is at least partially correct.
Also, the snooty Bourdain reveling in Paula Deen getting diabetes can go to hell. I don't see him reveling in promiscuous gays getting diagnosed with HIV. I don't see him reveling in famous druggies having overdoses. Always funny how selective the sympathy of our elites seems to be. Can you imagine the snarky attitude towards Deen if she were a black southern woman instead of a white southern woman? Bet he wouldn't have said zip about it.
Many of you people would consider me a REDNECK by definition. I would call my self a rural renaissance man, with a passion for hunting.
The elite, uppity, and self-important media and entertainment types would fall all over themselves to make fun of my type, but you know what? People like me don't give a damn what these elitist snobs think. When they're pushing daisies, we'll still be here feasting on our venison and drinking the sour mash. Screw em'..screw em' all.
This country boy will survive.
To Dana’s a, b, c and d above, which I agree with and thing explains a lot of the phenomena, I’d like to add an e.
e) With respect to any destructive idea-based nonsense going around at the time that particularly shames and limits their principal competitors in the US and the potentially powerful majority that they fear just turn on them in the fashion of Hitler’s brownshirts (i.e. non Jewish whites, particularly conservative ones), Jews will show great enthusiasm in leading and pushing that nonsense. Hence Jews have been at the forefront of making any hint of racism the greatest moral failing possible, and of making what’s considered racist expand ever wider, so that noticing any differences on average that aren’t beneficial to blacks is already over the line. Similarly with immigration restrictionism, which gets condemned as racist all the time in the media, esp. by the Jewish left. Jews tend to like to rub whites faces in the evils of slavery and Jim Crow, yes for general leftist political reasons but also because very few of the slaveholders were Jewish or enacters or enforcers of Jim Crow. Jews were largely innocent of those things and everyone pretty much knows that, so shame away.
Anthony Bourdain is a food writer and former chef, so the world of professional chefs is his beat, not Hollywood. It's not surprising that he doesn't comment on actors or musicians.
HS is female?
No, it was a quote from his site.
OneSTDV, since you feel so strongly about this topic, why don't you sit down and do the necessary historical research so we can conclusively settle the question once and for all?
Because right now it's just a lot of handwaving speculation.
I agree, it's hand-waving speculation, though I think I've provided plenty of circumstantial evidence to show that's my hypothesis is at least plausible.
But what exactly do you want me to get? A bunch of firsthand quotes from 1950s Jewish nutrition researchers saying: "OK, fine, I admit it; I'm messing around with data in order to indirectly provide my family and I with social capital. And I can't stand all these rednecks eating deer and bacon, so that too."
Analogously, you're demanding a standard of proof for global warming and HBD research social bias and political motive that does not exist (OK, did not exist prior to Climategate). I mean, do you want to start beancounting Jewish nutritional researchers from the 1950s? I doubt that data exists.
Taubes mentions a huge increase in Jewish influence in this particular field, coupled with their anti-German bias and their obvious motives as laid out in my two posts. This occurred at the exact same time as the advent of the modern nutritional paradigm. Seems like something's there.
He also still wants to distort the definition of "vegetarian" and act as if stereotypical Jewish foods like roast chicken, lox, or gefilte fish are vegetarian.
Are you retarded or just illiterate? For the millionth time, I'm noting that "red meat" like pork, bacon, and ham (non-kosher meats) are disparaged by the nutritional paradigm. These also happen to be the most culturally significant meats to white Christian America, such as Ed Schultz referring to himself as a "red meat liberal" or when someone says "meat and potatoes" they don't mean a nice lean chicken or fish, they mean steak and hamburgers (a food with German origin).
And of course, then you have the question of what Bourdain, neither Jewish nor vegetarian, has to do with a discussion of Jews and vegetarianism.
Did you actually read the post?!? Its relevant because it reflects how liberalism manifests in food choice and the disparagement of conservative Southern whites.
If One would name names I would find his thesis to be more credible.
I honestly don't have names, other than noting that Taubes mentions the rise of Jews, both domestic and immigrant, in the nutritional field after the war.
@ Aaron B: Thank you again for understanding my "impossibly confusing" arguments.
Fish and chicken are vegetables. Anthony Bourdain is a Jew. The Torah does not command Jews to eat meat. All ethnic Jews keep kosher.
Fish and chicken are not red meat, and not staples of hunters or conservative white cuisine like Christmas Ham. Many leading rabbis have actaully argued that Judaism is vegetarian (http://jewishveg.com/) though my argument is not really based on religion (obvious to everyone but you).
Following kosher in regards to not eating bacon/pork/ham has very little to do with religion. Many people abide by the culture of their youth and those foods are not part of Jewish culture. I know an atheist Jew who eats meat who refuses to eat pork and bacon out of cultural tradition and as a way of respecting his heritage. 1950s Jews assuredly had a connection to kosher-eating relatives and Jewish culture.
Once again culture <=> food. Keep repeating this to yourself until you get it.
Red meat? Brisket. Pastrami on rye. Dude, stick to immigration and the civil rights movement, you've got plenty. Just 'cause the guy robbed a bank doesn't mean he was speeding too.
Gotta say that I'm loving this.
If there were an alternate OneSTDV blog where Jews were being *lauded* for bringing vegetarianism to modern culture, I bet you'd find a whole lot of Jews celebrating the fact.
These problems only arise whenever Jews are given credit for something we, Whites, regard as negative.
As in earlier links, at the original thread, Jews were praising the fact that they had promoted vegetarianism.
Maybe OneSTDV could try a test post, albeit from a genuine position. Pick a modern cultural aspect that OneSTDV finds positive, and can be attributed to Jewish influence. Like, say, Superman and Batman or other superheroes. See if Jews object to a positive characterisation of their influence and contrast with their reactions in this case of a negative characterisation viz. vegetarianism.
Maybe another would be to contrast Jewish dominance of Hollywood pre WWII and the characterisation of their product at that time, with the comparison of that which we have today? Whiskey is quite good on this: Hollywood then was excellent, Jewish, and patriotic. Today, any problems and negative influence has nothing to do with Jews and is due to Whites losing their way. I think that's how his argument goes.
Sort of related, it has only come to my attention, in the last year or so, that our national sandwich spread "Vegemite" now has been Kosher and Halal certified.
Having Vegemite bought out by and American company in Kraft was bad enough, but this is outrageous!
I've tried to wean the kids off it, also myself, but "Mighty Mite" just doesn't stack up - it is disgusting.
Whatever could be the reason for Kraft getting Kosher/Halal certification? We are the only people who eat it, save some foreigners who may have tried it on holidays and miraculously taken to it (no one else seems to like it).
The Jewish population here is insignificant in terms of marketing to them. Muslims, larger in % but still insignificant.
The only financial benefit I can see in gaining the K&H certification is to extract more money from us, Whites, on top of owning outright our national food.
Bega Cheese is also Halal (not sure about Kosher) but at least I have the option to get other cheeses, just as good if not better. But Vegemite? There is no where else to go, God dammit!
Name names you demand! I prefer to "Ask the Rabbi", Rabbi Schochet:
(http://www.totallyjewish.com/tradition/ask_the_rabbi/?content_id=13084)
"Dear Elli,
The first Chief Rabbi of Israel, Rabbi Abraham Isaac HaCohen Kook, actually considered vegetarianism/veganism to be the Jewish ideal; the ultimate harmony between mankind and the rest of creation. He believed that in the Messianic Age we would all be vegetarian again and the only sacrifices offered would be of pure vegetable origin. The Chief Rabbi of Haifa, Rabbi She'ar Yashuv Cohen, came out as a veggie some years ago; "I am a confirmed vegetarian, following in the footsteps of my saintly father and his teacher, the revered first Chief Rabbi of Israel, Rabbi Kook." Other well known Jewish vegetarians have included leading rabbis, scholars, and prominent religious figures. Thus, contrary to common perception, Jewish vegetarianism - while not necessarily commonplace - is far from unknown.
In the utopian state of the Garden of Eden mankind was certainly vegetarian - and according to the Torah this position endured until after the Great Flood. God initially told Adam and Eve quite clearly that they were given seed-bearing plants and fruits as food - and this was only superseded in Noah's time. Thus, the Talmud declares, 'Adam and his generations were prohibited to eat meat'."
Feel free to read the rest, oh yea of little reading, and Google skills.
Maybe OneSTDV could try a test post, albeit from a genuine position. Pick a modern cultural aspect that OneSTDV finds positive, and can be attributed to Jewish influence. Like, say, Superman and Batman or other superheroes. See if Jews object to a positive characterisation of their influence and contrast with their reactions in this case of a negative characterisation viz. vegetarianism.
I did this in the last post's comments section, but everyone ignored it. I argued that based on the most important individuals and their disproportionate presence, modern science and technology could be regarded as a Jewish-led movement (Einstein, Feynman, Google guys, Kurzweil, Zuckerberg), but no one objected to that.
[Related: I still don't believe that liberalism is a Jewish-created ideology, though no one can deny that Jews are overrepresented amongst leftist elites and intellectuals, e.g. Jewish comedian Jackie Mason said, "Obama's got more Jews in his cabinet than Netanyahu." But while I think Jews have colluded with white liberals, NOT led them or coerced them ala KMac, I think their motives are different. Another Jew, Auster, has written on this subject:
http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=12534]
Ah, yes, right you are. I do remember reading that OneSTDV.
Re. Liberalism, it is of course a Western (White, not Jewish) creation having its roots in The Enlightenment.
I have has some minor arguments with my brothers on this subject, but, it is an historical fact that The Enlightenment is a creation of the West (White, not Jewish).
Modern perversion of Enlightenment principles, however, is another subject.
As someone, who was born and raised in the old country, I find One's comment on Ashkenazi cuisine incomprehensible. The traditional Ashkenazi cooking involved A LOT of fat. Schmaltz went into everything, to a degree that most American today would find nauseating.
Take gribenes, the Jewish favorite comfort food. (It's the subject of my favorite Jewish HBD saying, "Meshugeneh genz, meshugeneh gribenes".) When I look at those pictures I get powerful flashbacks from childhood...
"But while I think Jews have colluded with white liberals"
I don't like blaming Jews for everything, but I still don't get where all these white liberals are. My family are WASP liberals, but my great grandmother was a conservative. There is no doubt in my mind their liberalism was strongly influenced by Jews. Also, all my grandparent's and parent's friends are conservative. I just don't think there are a lot of gentile white liberals. I don't meet them anyway.
" For example, the Catholics in New York city aren't hunting or eating wild game either."
Then please explain the lines of cars going from NY to the Catskills and Adirondacks every hunting season. Though granted they are mostly from Queens and Staten Island, which isn't "New York."
I do know some midwestern white liberals, they do exist. They just aren't particularly influential.
"We're talking about two completely different scales, and some foodie interest in wild game isn't a drop in the bucket of what rural Americans kill and eat regularly.
One, when people work this hard to misunderstand what you say, it just shows you're onto something."
Excellent comment, Aaron.
Lucille, you come across as incredibly defensive and shrill.
LOL, you goyim trash sure are paranoid.
Since I and a few others have referenced it, I think Dana's excellent if still somewhat obvious remark re. jews-n-vegetarianism, from the original "Are Jews to Blame for Vegetarianism?" deserves to be reprised.
In it's entirety:
"dana said...
cant we just stipulate in perpetuity that:
a. intellectuals promote stupid ideas
b. in all times and places where jews are emancipated they become intellectuals in large numbers
c. jews have an activist streak
therefore:
d. at all times when intellectuals have great influence in the west, jews will be at the forefront (along with all the other intellectuals) of whatever destructive idea-based nonsense is going around at the time
2/08/2012 6:26 PM"
Now what is there to argue with? Or, I would say, "what more is there really to add ----- unless, of course, you won't to get fanatical."
I usually hold my tongue on 'the Jewish Question'; I like to think the reason why is because I show equipoise and opt for omission when it comes to venturing a opinion on topics I don't feel I have a solid grasp on and/or past with.
Still, I gotta say, this and the other, related thread offers proof to critical bystanders that the alt-right is Jew-obsessed.
And that at the very least!
p.s.------
And when I conjur my firsthand memories of jewish cuisine, i think of Benji's and Jake's Delicatessens ----- counter service and take-out lines several-people deep, waiting to devour or take-home pound-upon-pound of wonderfully flavored corned-beef, pastrami, kosher weiners, tuna-fish with grapes, whitefish ------ hardly a hippie-dippie veggiefest and feast! (isn't that more the province of Arabic cuisine? all those veggies and grainy pita breads with legume-laced dips like Hummus and Tahini and yogurt sauce, etc. Huh?
Hmmm. maybe vegetarianism is a ..... Palestinian plot, specifically devised to lay blame at the foot of the Jews!!! (Lol!)
"Analogously, you're demanding a standard of proof for global warming and HBD research social bias and political motive that does not exist (OK, did not exist prior to Climategate). I mean, do you want to start beancounting Jewish nutritional researchers from the 1950s? I doubt that data exists."
If something can never be proven or disproven, what do you see as the use in talking about it?
"We know science suffers from rather astounding levels of bias, researchers seemingly content to fabricate global warming and HBD data in order to pursue social ends."
I don't know of any cases of outright data fabrication. If anything, the problem is with unsound interpretations of data that has been collected more or less accurately. I wouldn't call this type of bias astounding either, it's a very common one and the hard sciences are less susceptible to it compared to many other subjects that are laying claim to truth.
The data indicating the 'danger' of 'excessive' saturated fats might be way overblown, but it is far from fabricated. Same thing with salt.
i just want to add i think lots of things are jews faults, particularly the more virulent forms of feminism and tons of cultural garbage from hollywood etc(ie. the X men as jewish supremacist schlock)
i have no problem calling a spade a spade, but there is literally NOTHING in jewish culture as EXPERIENCED BY ACTUAL jews growing up (as opposed to read about by nonjews)thats compatible with vegetarianism unless you count growing up in an already bohemian hippy dippy jewy family given to buddhism and spiritual bullshit, which does happen
jews ate less beef in europe and when they first came here because they were poor--beef wasnt peasant food in the old country, pork and chicken were -- jews eat like slavic peasants with at least nominal kosher considerations. my grandparents never kept kosher, but the thought or eating pork was weird to my grandmothe rbecause she didnt grow up with it, now that she doesnt shop where her yenta friends see her anymor eshe eats pork neckbones and loves them! geschmakt
Sort of related, it has only come to my attention, in the last year or so, that our national sandwich spread "Vegemite" now has been Kosher and Halal certified.
This sort of stuff drives me mad. Having grown up in New Zealand it was Marmite I was raised on, and so far I haven't noticed any halal certification or similar on the packaging, but then, nothing would
surprise me anymore. My husband is Australian and I've lived here a couple of years now, and I've noticed a lot of 'halal' sneaking its way onto product labelling. The amount of dairy products I've found to have it is surprising. Yoghurts, sour cream, thickened creams, cheeses and so on - usually those that use gelatin. Sometimes it's very subtle too, just in fine print on the ingredients list rather than the little symbol that you see here and there on other products. Either way, it's enough to make me refuse to buy them.
I guess you could say that my personal version of halal/kosher is for the food not to have such certification on it in the first place.
Is the vegemite killed in a human way?
Many of you people would consider me a REDNECK by definition. I would call my self a rural renaissance man, with a passion for hunting.
I’m stealing that line.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gc-xBoGyQA
This theory, most prominently espoused by Cal State professor Kevin MacDonald, holds that Jewish antagonism towards the majority culture results from a unique biological imperative in which Jews, like parasites, are deterministically spurred to action.
That is a gross mischaracterization of MacDonald's theories. His theories involve no imperatives or determinism.
Today, there is a parallel situation with Asians. The more Asians admitted based off meritocracy....
It's "based on", not "based off".
And you're not talking about a meritocracy. You're talking about academic credentials. Turning academic credentials into "merit" requires a value judgment that a lot of us cannot agree with.
Jews tend to like to rub whites faces in the evils of slavery and Jim Crow, yes for general leftist political reasons but also because very few of the slaveholders were Jewish or enacters or enforcers of Jim Crow. Jews were largely innocent of those things and everyone pretty much knows that, so shame away.
Actually, Jews were more likely to own slaves than were the rest of the population. And they were heavily involved in the slave trade.
dana said...
cant we just stipulate in perpetuity that:
a. intellectuals promote stupid ideas
No, this premise is false, so the argument is unsound.
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