Monday, January 16, 2012

I am a Liberal

Only Jesus and MLK get official holidays celebrating their birthdays. I guess it makes sense since MLK has been deified by modern American leftism and thus deserves the trappings of divine status. But we needn't rehash the obvious implications of MLK's place in the American social and political landscape; the fawning over him makes even the apathetic cringe. Only Harriet Tubman receives an equally disproportionate amount of "love", as they say.

Wikipedia refers to MLK as "a national icon in the history of modern American liberalism." I ask though - what exactly is a "liberal"? Sure we know the limp-wristed, Pruis driving, sanctimonious American liberal well, but should this class justifiably call themselves "liberal"? Of course not, as the American version of liberalism does not uphold their own principles, imbuing white men with original sin and downplaying their accomplishments via insidious notions such as privilege. While MLK didn't champion this left-liberal race hatred explicitly, he sure seemed open to it and it likely did underlie his wealth redistribution initiatives.

On occasion, I have referred to myself as the "ultimate liberal", in that I afford everyone the same rights independent of their class, their background, or their race. The above statement would likely be classified as classical liberalism or libertarianism in the modern political climate, yet I diverge from these doctrines by extending the idea to collective groups. In sum, any group, Jews, American whites, French, Mexicans, Japanese, even nigs (I use it ironically here :) has the moral autonomy to choose their own collective fate. Sort of libertarian individualism, writ large.

Axiomatically, we should have the freedom to associate with whomever we please, the freedom to decide one's own life trajectory, and the freedom of independent groups to decide their own fate. If all those freedoms are God-given, both as individuals and as collectives, then HBD, immigration restriction, and race or ethnic-based traditionalism, is justified. Groups can decide who they permit into their own lands, an extension of the freedom to associate. In international law, these principles are called "right to self-determination" and the citizenry of a nation should have the freedom to put that right into practice as a collective.

Does this then make me a "liberal", as I apply these ideals equally to every group, even ones that are odds with each other such as Palestinians and Israelis? Is liberalism really about equality and blind justice or is it about imposed egalitarianism and white guilt? I'd say that liberalism has been co-opted by the American Left as the latter, though my conception above does not contradict the notion of "equal rights" and "liberty". In fact, it gives everyone "equal rights" while maintaining a respect for borders and national cohesion.

It appears that the Left has taken a healthy liberalism, one with which I would agree, and perverted it to meet their own ends of flagellating whites and propping up their pet minority groups. I'm afraid though that any pursuit of reclaiming the term "liberalism" by the Right will inevitably go the way of Glenn Beck's odd display back in 2010. He basically just started spouting leftist bromides, convinced that somehow he was combating leftism despite playing by their rules. In essence, the term "liberalism" may be beyond repair, so perhaps we should stick to "freedom" and "equality" as more potent and less sullied alternatives.

46 comments:

nydwracu said...

George Washington sort of has a holiday; Presidents' Day, a federal holiday, is officially known as Washington's Birthday. Some states also commemorate Lincoln, whose birthday was around the same time, on Presidents' Day.

Jesus Christ Supercop said...

"Equality" has been hijacked too. Don't use it unless you explain very carefully what you mean by it.

Black Death said...

My favorite MLK quote:

A nation or civilization that continues to produce soft-minded men purchases its own spiritual death on the installment plan.

The Geographer said...

Indeed, the American left has co-opted the term "liberalism" as part of its campaign for equality of outcome. This type of "equality" is a Marxist value and not a liberal one.

Steve Johnson said...

I am not a liberal.

Men are not created equal. Aristotle was right, there are natural rulers and natural slaves. It is the mission of a civilization to ensure that its rulers are of good character. Rulers with good character create a society where everyone has a role where they can have dignity and one that civilizes people with poor impulse control so they do not harm themselves or others.

Our society teaches that there are no natural rulers therefore our rulers are those of terrible character. They act in petty vindictive ways towards anyone they see as potential competition and utterly fail to civilize the lower orders of our society - going so far as to intentionally make them as criminal and self-destructive as possible.

Being a liberal in any sense is not a good thing.

Equality isn't a factual or moral truth.

Anonymous said...

"Sort of libertarian individualism, writ large."

These two concepts are antagonistic towards another, if one is really devoted to individualism over other concerns then libertarianism would not be enough. Also, there is still an alternative between libertarian individualism and the anti-white collectivism of modern day race activists. I think many near the center of the political spectrum probably have a position close to what could be called 'authoritarian individualism'. They don't mind government stepping in as long as it truly serves individuals that were being discriminated against for arbitrary or unjustified reasons. I don't think many are suddenly going to become libertarians on the matter either. If moderates are to going to be an ally against the race collectivists a strong case for how individual whites right now are being harmed is still needed. I don't think such a strong case exists yet, although the recent decisions of the EEOC is definitely edging over into obviously bad policy.

Anonymous said...

my favorite Dr. King quote:

"A society that has done something special against the Negro for hundreds of years must now do something special for the Negro"


this explains why affirmative action is necessary and whiny white boys need to shut up

peterike said...

In my attempts to find a category for my own thinking -- and one must, of course, have a category, because how else will the thought police know they need to throw me in Gulag? -- the closest thing I could come up with is that I'm a "right-wing Liberal."

Right-wing = minimal government Constitutionalist

Liberal = everyone is treated the same under law (actually the same, not the "all animals are equal but some are more equal than others" same of Leftists) and the government stays out my personal bidness.

this explains why affirmative action is necessary and whiny white boys need to shut up

And at what point does affirmative action become unnecessary? How many generations removed from formal government discrimination must we be to say "compete on your own merits now"?

I know your real answer is "infinite generations," but I figure I'd ask.

Anonymous said...

well' we'll know when afirmative action is not needed when there is fair and equal opportunty and no white privilege.


how can you say things are fair when whites have such advantages in education, health care, wealth, and housing?

we do not live i nan equal society

the playing feild is not level

that is why affrimative action is necessary

Anonymous said...

Arabs should be forced to pay reparations to Blacks.

Ken S said...

"this explains why affirmative action is necessary and whiny white boys need to shut up"

Hi, you seem to be confused about the difference between an explanation and a single statement made by one person. You are reading way too much into your King quote and perhaps taking it seriously out of context, because King also said "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character". Now does modern day affirmative action sound like it is doing that correctly? It isn't just whiny white boys that are against this, read the dissent of Clarence Thomas in Grutter v. Bollinger (http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/02-241.ZX1.html). Affirmative action may have been justified for fast-tracking intelligent blacks into elite universities, but on a more general scale the justification starts to break down. We don't really know how much average black performance in school/work is explained by past discrimination and how much is simply from the faults of the individuals themselves. Your nearly-racist remarks that attempt to shut down the debate are not constructive at all.

peterike said...

well' we'll know when afirmative action is not needed when there is fair and equal opportunty and no white privilege.

"White privilege" is a fantasy inculcated in your brain via incessant propaganda. Show me, please, where there are legal advantages to being white? I can show you innumerable instances where the opposite is the case.

Though granted, whites spell more better.

how can you say things are fair when whites have such advantages in education, health care, wealth, and housing?

And where do those advantages come from? From magic white pixie dust mixed up in secret KKK laboratories? Or because they are smarter, work harder, are more future oriented, etc. etc. ad nauseum?

we do not live i nan equal society

That much I can't argue with. I have never even heard of an "i nan" society.

the playing feild is not level

Heavens to Murgatroyd, you are more right than you know!

Anonymous said...

if we live in an equal society ten why do whites enjoy better outcomes?

also why do we whites deny the wrongs of the past but embrace the benefits thosw wrongs give us? ( the county was built by People of Color, etc...)

Anonymous said...

You just described yourself as a libertarian. Warm up to Ron Paul ?

Firepower said...

Liberalism is a once great concept of freedom that was perverted into a political party designed to perpetuate THAT political party's best interest.

It must be eradicated.

Anonymous said...

We are witnessing the last gasp of people who feel they are losing "their" country. But that America had almost no place above domestic servitude for People of Color; and this is my country, too. I have a black friend who had a WWII veteran dad couldn't use his GI bill to buy a house in Levittown. He went to college but couldn't become an automotive engineer (nobody hired Black ones in those days). Both my freinds grandmothers were maids. my freind's mom only escaped it by leaving the south.

The "good ole days" of America was "better" if you were a white male. It sucked for everybody else and all the misplaced nostalgia and fear are not going to make it return.


Still, time can't be reversed. White supremacy and the white race will be seen as an aberration

peterike said...

The "good ole days" of America was "better" if you were a white male. It sucked for everybody else

This type of shallow historical cliche parroting is so very tedious. Are things so much better for blacks now, in their crime-filled, ultra-violent ghettos? With their extreme levels of single-parent households? One could continue the list of social pathologies, but we all know them.

Certainly, the upper reaches of society are more open to blacks (didn't electing Obama get whitey off this hook? oh never mind), but the "civil rights" power structure in effect made a deal with the devil to destroy the functional black lower-class -- by turning it into a government subsidized permanently dysfunctional under-class -- in exchange for a limited number of black elites to grab the brass ring (very often through a shake-down methodology, see Jackson, Jesse).

One could make similar arguments for the true state of women now vs. "the bad old days," but we've all seen enough pictures of drunken 20-something scantily clad sluts stumbling around city streets to realize how much "better" they have things now.

Jesus Christ Supercop said...

"if we live in an equal society ten why do whites enjoy better outcomes?"

Why are elephants bigger than horses? Why are lions stronger than cats? Must be because of discrimination and elephant and lion privilege.

Firepower said...

WW II era-comparisons?

Like, a black female would EVER be a "maid" today when they can collect a $4,000.00 a month GOVERNMENT CHECK for popping out eight kids.

White men EARNED the land by destroying their enemies - just like every native (especially those Harmonious Nature Loving Iroquois)earned the right to their territory going back to those wonderful days when African tribes just love each other silly.

Wilco said...

"Civilization, freedom and equality, blacks. Choose two."

- Hunter Wallace

That sums it up.

Greg Williams said...

Liberals today aren't liberal. No true liberal would look to government as the benevolent provider and an entity whose job is to interfere as much as possible to ensure fairness and "equality" to all.

Anonymous said...

actually the dysfunction in the balck community is attributable to whtie racism and capitalsim

read Thomas Sugrue

Firepower said...

Wilco said...

"Civilization, freedom and equality, blacks. Choose two."

- Hunter Wallace

That sums it up.



Good stuff - I will use those words as a weapon many times this week.

Anonymous said...

People of Color have many kids

whites do not have kids

white females are increasingly having the childrenof Men of Color.

the white race dies

OneSTDV said...

PLEASE IGNORE THE TROLL. He does this every single day though I suppose he took off today to celebrate MLK so he's been extra active. I would delete his comments but I don't have time to moderate all day.

You just described yourself as a libertarian. Warm up to Ron Paul ?

Maybe I'm a libertarian nationalist, with the nationalist part being of utmost importance. Just the former is not enough.

Men are not created equal. Aristotle was right, there are natural rulers and natural slaves.

Equality isn't a factual or moral truth.

Of course men are not created equal in aptitude and thus they will inevitably have different responsibilities in life. But all men should be afforded the same MORAL respect and that's what the post is about. Maybe we lose some practical efficiency by giving everyone equal rights (dumb people tend to get in trouble more when given too much freedom), but it's a price worth paying.

OneSTDV said...

@ Anonymous troll:

Do you ever plan on stopping posting comments here?

I'll make a deal with you: you promise to stop posting comments here and I'll give you an entire guest post all to yourself.

Anonymous said...

i will never stop telling the ruth

Steve Johnson said...

"Maybe we lose some practical efficiency by giving everyone equal rights (dumb people tend to get in trouble more when given too much freedom), but it's a price worth paying. "

You say that in this context but most of the rest of this blog is dedicated to showing that the price for this belief isn't worth paying.

If all men are of equal moral worth then no man should rule over another. Since it's impossible for there to ever be a society without rulers you get a democracy where votes are counted up. One person one vote - since everyone is equal.

Of course, what that really means is that you've got a system where whoever controls what the masses think rules. Having a less intelligent, more impulsive and more self destructive population just makes things easier. Every day our rulers strive to make the population less intelligent, more impulsive and more self destructive.

Since everyone is of equal moral worth what's the problem with that?

A better society acknowledges that some are natural slaves and doesn't give natural slaves a voice in ruling - it's an absurd concept.

peterike said...

There once was a troll named Anonymous
Who felt that his words showed his dominance.
Trite lefty cliches
Kept his mind in a daze,
With "loser" he's truly synonymous


Thus my troll feeding stops.

Marc B said...

Your sentiments are similair to those of a classical liberal, someone who would now be described as a modern conservative. Liberals largely espoused similar beliefs as yours until the early 1990's, changing many of their positions because of the Cultural Marxist directives pushed by Clinton administration. I call the current crop of urban SWPL cosmopolitanists Neo Liberals, but the more accurate term of Post-Modern Liberal has been suggested.

Hazel said...

'Like, a black female would EVER be a "maid" today when they can collect a $4,000.00 a month GOVERNMENT CHECK for popping out eight kids."

I would rather be a maid with a tight pussy than collecting welfare checks and tripping over my labia.

Lucille said...

One, you ask people to "ignore the troll", but you still won't implement any measure - either eliminating anonymous poster or going to moderated posting - that will stop him from posting.

PA said...

PLEASE IGNORE THE TROLL.

You have to do a better job of deleting its comments. If it was my blog I'd also delete legitimate commenters' responses to the troll as well.

OneSTDV said...

One, you ask people to "ignore the troll", but you still won't implement any measure - either eliminating anonymous poster or going to moderated posting - that will stop him from posting.

I am not eliminating anonymous posting as it would reduce the number of commenters significantly (I'll pull a number out of the air, but probably something like 90% of commenters would be gone).

I will not go to moderated posting because I want real-time comment discussions and I don't really have time to moderate all comments continuously.

And Blogger does not allow you to block by IP address.

You have to do a better job of deleting its comments. If it was my blog I'd also delete legitimate commenters' responses to the troll as well.

I simply do not have the time to police these comments all day. I read them often, but I don't need another responsibility that requires my continuous participation.


I do generally delete his comments, but again, I don't have the time to do so continuously.

Dissident said...

I'm one of those "whiny white boys" that the AA proponent was referencing.

Listen, we don't owe Negroes or any other ethnic group anything. NO ONE alive today was responsible for Jack-shit done to your people in the past-take it up with them! And this so called "white privilege" is BS in the extreme. Get off your incompetent and lazy welfare ASS and, you too, could earn a decent living. Your problem is that it's easier for you to complain than to work. So shut the HELL up whiner!

Anonymous said...

peterike said...
"There once was a troll named Anonymous
Who felt that his words showed his dominance.
Trite lefty cliches
Kept his mind in a daze,
With "loser" he's truly synonymous"


Well done, sir. Yours is Comment of the Month.

PA said...

You can take the Moldbug approach and not care what happens in your comments sections. He doesn't even delete Chinese spam.

But you do care about your comments. And the troll will troll, and people will write dissertations (or hysterics like Dissident) to the troll's tune.

So it's one of three choices: vigilant policing, modding, or Wodrperss.

Anonymous said...

Israel, China and maybe India should force the Arabs to pay reparations to Black Africans. They can threaten to nuke Mecca.

Peter A said...

"It appears that the Left has taken a healthy liberalism, one with which I would agree, and perverted it to meet their own ends of flagellating whites and propping up their pet minority groups"

If you read Siegel's hit piece on Romney in the NYT (cited by Sailer and Auster today), it becomes very clear where this perversion started. It is primarily based in Jewish hatred/fear of WASPS. The rest is decoration.

Dissident said...

Sorry, my hysterics are just the result of pent-up frustrations. Sometimes the dam just breaks loose.

Mark said...

"i will never stop telling the ruth"

He will also never learn spelling, capitalization, punctuation or grammar.

Firepower said...

OneSTDV said...

I am not eliminating anonymous posting as it would reduce the number of commenters


I sincerely hope you DO. I am against censorship...

EXCEPT FOR Goddamn fucking LIBERALS.


THEY are the MOST EGREGIOUS practitioners of censorship SO it is fitting that they be silenced. ANY way possible.

Do not let YOUR blog degenerate into a roissy/Lady Raine incident for the sake of "popularity."

Anonymous said...

When reading Firepower's advice, it is difficult to know if he wants you to follow it or secretly intends you to do the exact opposite. But listen to him when he talks about trolling--he's a past master at it.

Firepower said...

You censor MY comments
and let "anonymous" post
wtf dude

Anonymous said...

"Men are not created equal. Aristotle was right, there are natural rulers and natural slaves.

this is a scary thought. one can only imagine the OP and Aristotle both considered themselves "natural rulers".

vxz said...

Also, i think i heard this mentioned on radio - there seems to be an effort by the MSM to call him "Dr." Martin Luther King as opposed to the "Reverend" Martin Luther King for some reason. Like JFK, was apparently a serial adulterer and the media likes to ignore this. Gingrich should claim he's in great company, lol.