In other words, men literally can not escape sexual images in popular culture. While some have described the Internet as merely a repository for porn, the real social trend is that softcore porn has gone mainstream. Pop stars present themselves as sex symbols first and foremost. Actresses do nude scenes for "authenticity." Maxim and FHM have a half-naked celebrity on their cover every month. Many female celebrities are "professionally hot", such as Kim Kardashian and Stacy Keibler. In sum, men are literally "assaulted" by hot women wherever they look. For instance, look at this banner that ran at the top and side of SI.com, a sports site, the last few days (click for full-size image):
The sexual/feminist revolution didn't really free women from the restraints of the patriarchy. Instead, it allowed them to attain power via the primary means they have of attaining power - carnal sexuality. The sexual revolution mostly de-stigmatized female sexual openness, encouraging women to rather forthrightly present themselves as sexual objects in order to gain the attention (and goodies from) men. Feminists consider this as reflecting the persistence of the patriarchy in which society forces women to sell themselves. However, it is actually the autonomous, wily female who understands her primary source of social capital that independently engages in this behavior. These women have it and they gladly flaunt it - then marry Donald Trump.And what has this done to men, especially beta men (yes, you Internet Male who is not a millionaire or George Clooney) who will never "have" anyone close to Yvonne Strahovski or Mila Kunis. Just like 20-something women have gone crazy by avoiding family and motherhood, 20-something men have gone crazy with a parallel de-stabilizing of their sexuality. Society gives them a little taste of something that they want so badly, but will never ever have. How cruel a tease. Of course, dangling a carrot in front of a horse does not turn out well.
Now I'm not necessarily complaining about this implicit assault on men nor do I think it affects all men. I'm merely pointing out a fact of modern society and the implications on how it affects a segment of the population. Admittedly I've avoided describing what exactly "gone crazy" means in regards to men, but if we are ultimately sexual beings, then this ubiquitous and unhealthy tease cannot have positive consequences.
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I have observed that there is ever-increasing fraction of young men willfully 'checking out' of the SMP altogether. Perhaps not completely isolating themselves from displays of female sexuality, but certainly engaging them on their own terms.
I don't believe it's completely restricted to 'omega' or 'gamma' men who would only rarely score even in a healthy society either - many of the men I know personally who are doing it would fall squarely into the 'greater beta' classification; Good jobs, fit, sociable personalities. They simply can't be bothered to put up with the bullshit unless the girl in question matches some very high standards.
And yet the real effect of having all this candy that you just can't buy or taste is the proliferation of the self-sexualizer. The de facto homo. He has an "addiction" to the "jerk" that rivals any addiction. And if this "addiction" takes hold and is exalted publicly, then certainly, self-annihilation will follow.
I had no idea how sexual-ized our culture had become until after my ex-wife started using sex as a weapon. Nothing like going without sex for an extended time to make you hyper aware of everyday sexual images like billboards, and signs.
I don't have TV; I was way behind the power curve on this. I've learned not to see all the images, but it took effort and time. A lot of both, and it still catches me by surprise sometimes
girls ( can't rightly call females in the USA women these days) are not worth the bullshit unless they are of high value. Most aren't, so by default most are not.
Thordaddy, "Men who drop out of the sexual rat race are all secretly gay" is really worn out by now. It has insufficient shaming power. I think you should ask your Women's Studies professor to come up with something new.
You know, I really do know beta dudes with really hot wives. Now, they are the super religious, only wear dresses types, but they are sweet, kind and devoted and very very good looking.
I like your blog, One, but some of these posts are so 'frustated beta male raging at society'.
"The sexual/feminist revolution didn't really free women from the restraints of the patriarchy. Instead, it allowed them to attain power via the primary means they have of attaining power - carnal sexuality."
Exactly. And this is where most modern female pathology also comes from, in my opinion. The source of their only real power is undermined when they indulge their own sexuality. Hence, the "bitchy" and "unpredictable" attitudes they direct at men sometimes. The two ends for which they use their body (sexual recreation and manipulation) are not compatible so when something goes wrong for the little harlots such as the man losing interest after sex (when all she was or tried to be to him was a flirt anyways) or the man losing interest when he realizes all she is is a tease and nothing more who won't "put out," out comes the feminist rhetoric about being "objectified" as one last desperate attempt to leverage some sort of power in the form of guilt and shame. It's close to a Dr. Jekyl & Mr. Hyde thing, really. It's so obvious yet so many people don't see it because they've been brainwashed by the state and other institutions with egalitarian nonsense. Especially men. No one is preached to more in this society than white men.
Men of the past mostly understood this characteristic was innate within women even without the billboard signs and television ads and scantily clad women walking the sidewalks. For example, the great Arthur Schopenhauer wrote a piece against them that has been uploaded on YouTube that's called "Of Women." I obviously recommend all men (especially white men who tend to be more flowery and romantic and less aggressive than most of their non-white competitors) take a look at it and take a great deal of it to heart. Needless to say, he'd be apalled at the position men have put themselves in in the modern age in the interest of "women's rights."
Here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rttJo9y22JQ&feature=related
@stonelifter:
I know how you feel. My ex wife was (and unfortunately still is) pretty hot (with makeup at least) had a decent body and some enhanced action in the chest region. Needless to say you get addicted to having sex with something like that. So when you divorce and don't immediately feel like jumping back into the market with just any female BOY do you get affected by the lack of sex. Add to the fact I've been relentlessly pursuing a better body (thus increasing my testosterone levels) I'm starting to feel like I'm going insane. And my resolve is to NOT to go out and bang chicks for the hell of it.
So yes it can feel like that scene from the 40 year old virgin where just the smallest thing can make you sigh and look to something else.
"Instead, it allowed them [women] to attain power via the primary means they have of attaining power - carnal sexuality."
Oh, for God's sake, One. You suond like Whiskey now.
Women, even those among us who are very attractive, don't feel we've been empowered by our sexuality. Don't get me wrong. We enjoy being appreciated for our attractiveness, but so do men. We also enjoy being appreciated for our qualities of character, as do men.
When we see pics like those, (and you are right--they are omnipresent in pop culture) we understand that we don't measure up to that standard of sex appeal. I would imagine most men realize they aren't Greek gods too.
Those portrayals of women are as much an "implicit assault" on real women as they are on men.
Or are you incapable of understanding that?
"Society gives them a little taste of something that they want so badly, but will never ever have. How cruel a tease."
They just want to make money, attract attention, etc. If it is cruel, they don't care. It isn't personal.
$$$$$$$$
Men now outnumber women at all reproductive ages. This is everything and has no historical precedent (see Peter Frost's Where are the women post and the pictograph.)
Hence the rise of the "game" movement.
And hence the rise in another segment that is the reverse mirror image of the "game" movement complete with books, websites, seminar, and morale-encouraging pictures and videos. Emotionally, it is hopeful, ebullient, and optimistic in contrast to the opposite game movement.
I'm talking about Black women and their becoming more desired as wives of non-black men. They have seen a huge growth in their exogamy rate which now stands at 9%! The trends that affect the Western World do not affect their race for reasons outlined by Peter Frost, but the women are the beneficiaries of the woman shortage among Whites and Asians.
Peter Frost predicted that, globally, Chinese men would start to take up with Ethiopians and that seems to be coming true. Same thing is happening here.
Here's just a sample of what is on the web (and there is a lot!):
http://www.blackfemaleinterracialmarriage.com/
"Black Women: Your PRINCE will come"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6oxp7uM_HA
video about Chinese and Ethiopian doctors who fell in love
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgT5SZbED-M
When we see pics like those, (and you are right--they are omnipresent in pop culture) we understand that we don't measure up to that standard of sex appeal. I would imagine most men realize they aren't Greek gods too.
Those portrayals of women are as much an "implicit assault" on real women as they are on men.
It's more so about how popular culture assaults men, not individual women, though as some others have noted individual women do so as well. For evidence of that you don't need an ex-wife, walk on a college campus and see how many girls are wearing tight yoga pants and low-cut shirts to class.
Women, even those among us who are very attractive, don't feel we've been empowered by our sexuality
You may not feel empowered as selling one's body isn't spiritually uplifting. But, as they say, sex sells and modern women know it. No one can deny that women use their sexuality to their advantage - in society as a whole, in the workplace, and in marriage.
I like your blog, One, but some of these posts are so 'frustated beta male raging at society'.
I figured someone would say this, even though I added the disclaimer. Look, it's true - whether I'm "raging" or not it's true. Our society's sexual mores have really betrayed both men and women and this post is about how men are affected by cultural female sexuality.
I'm an example of the "checked out" variety male. Do I have options to get laid? Yes. I have a full time corp job, a part time band, and share custody of a 10 year old. I meet women that I could pursue but it typically means staying out late, partying a bit too much and then facing a relentless day of job, housework, dog walking, soccer coaching, homework checking, band practice etc. Getting a piece of ass just doesn't justify the adverse impact on what's really important to me. I've done it and in most cases end up regretting it because of the consequences, so my default is to get home in time to get a good night sleep and kick the next day's ass. The other option is to get a girlfriend or girlfriends that I can work into my schedule, but I rarely meet any women that are worth more than a drunken toss. The risk reward equation flashes a solid NO for 9 out of every 10 opportunities.
Anonymous: "Women, even those among us who are very attractive, don't feel we've been empowered by our sexuality."
Speak for yourself. It's a very common thing among feminists to treat their sexuality as a means of "empowerment."
"I'm talking about Black women and their becoming more desired as wives of non-black men. They have seen a huge growth in their exogamy rate which now stands at 9%!"
9% of what?
If 20% of all black women under 40 are married.
And 9% of them are married to a man who isn't black, then it is less than 2% of black women under 40.
So, it really rests on knowing 9% of what group of black women.
And, is the divorce rate for the BF/n-BM higher than the BF/BM marriages.
I'm an example of the "checked out" variety male.
My point in the post is that due to the ubiquity of sexualized content in pop culture (such as the SI.com banner), this is largely impossible. Men can not "check out" completely because they're constantly being pulled back in via images in pop culture.
And even further if a man decides to "check out" by getting a girlfriend or wife, his sex drive is still being ratcheted up constantly due to these images in pop culture. So he might not even be satisfied with his decent-looking wife because he's constantly being teased by hotter women.
I like your blog, One, but some of these posts are so 'frustated beta male raging at society'.
Responding further - not every post is about me personally.
Just for fun I checked out that site about black women marrying non-black men. A quick glance through the photos suggests that the black women involved here -- most, but surely not all -- are much more attractive than your run-of-the-mill ghetto lard-bottom. Many of them, not surprisingly, look a lot like dark complexioned white women.
So that suggests a natural upper limit to how many black chicks are going to snag a white boy. But then, just as we so often see the Walmart shopping fat ugly white girl with a sloppy black man, some of those photos do show super-beta looking white men with fat ugly black girls.
Lessons learned? Good looking white guys will marry hot black chicks. Fat white losers will marry fat ugly black girls. This is hardly news.
One does have to empathize with those smart, attractive black women facing such a tiny pool of black men up to their caliber, so it's little wonder they grab a white boy (not to mention that nearly every black dude with money gets a white girl).
Since the children of these matings are nearly always moca at best, I'm agin' it. But then, I'm just a ole racis'.
"Women, even those among us who are very attractive, don't feel we've been empowered by our sexuality."
Liar.
"Don't get me wrong. We enjoy being appreciated for our attractiveness,"
Why do you? That's what we're getting at here. You enjoy it because it enhances your power within the culture even if its in some small way that you don't realize.
"but so do men."
Sure, for the same reason women enjoy it, men enjoy it. But men being handsome will only get them so far in most cases. Usually, to get what they want, men have to have something else going for them. They usually have to be something. Women can just look pretty and all sorts of good men will want to scoop them up.
"We also enjoy being appreciated for our qualities of character, as do men."
But not over being appreciated for your attractiveness despite what you may say to the contrary. The VAST majority of women (yes, even the ones in college from what I've seen) don't spend nearly as much time working on their brains as they do obsessing about their looks.
"When we see pics like those, (and you are right--they are omnipresent in pop culture) we understand that we don't measure up to that standard of sex appeal. I would imagine most men realize they aren't Greek gods too."
Well, yes. Most women aren't models. That doesn't stop the ones who are exceptional from selling the rest of you out. Yet, it's always men who get the blame for this behavior from feminists.
"Those portrayals of women are as much an "implicit assault" on real women as they are on men."
Oh, boohoo. Why don't any of you women take it up amongst yourselves, then? Every "gender studies" person I've met or critical theory class I've taken always has the same line and its always the same villain. Some nebulous cabal of white men sitting in a green room figuring ways to "exploit" people.
"Or are you incapable of understanding that?"
I think One understands what's going on pretty well. It's the people who claim or insinuate that he's making some "frustrated beta male raging" of a post that are letting their vanity distract them from reality.
Well, as annoying as it is for unattainable women to flaunt their sexuality, focusing on this causes us to miss the real essence of the "feminist revolution." To me, the most pernicious aspect of that revolution (mostly complete by the mid-90's by the way), is the placement of incompetent women in important positions of authority. I wonder how many men feel the quality of their life is more adversely affected by idiot female bosses and H.R. types than by sexy images of women they'll never ball.
The observation that...
The sexual/feminist revolution didn't really free women from the restraints of the patriarchy. Instead, it allowed them to attain power via the primary means they have of attaining power - carnal sexuality.
...is spot-on. The feminist revolution is fundamentally about legitimizing female hypergamy--via use of the labels "equality" and "empowerment". It's a shame they don't teach this fact in women's studies. Instead, too many see only the proximal explanation and motivation.
Second, I'm waiting for the day (which will never arrive, BTW) when scantily clad women get called-out in the same manner as the male-uttered wolf whistle. There's really very little difference between the two. Yet feminists call the former "empowerment" or a matter of freedom and label the later a version of "rape".
What a strange world.
Let's call this what it is. It's psychological warfare, and the carnage it leaves in the form of demoralized, collapsing civilization leaves many wishing they had been conquered outright by a force that would at least impose a moral, if imperfect order, instead of being bombarded daily by bombs that cause us to bleed to death by a thousand cuts. Because it's clear by now that not a single of our countrymen yet have retained the moral authority to do a damn thing about it. We lie bleeding by the roadside, wounded souls, incapable of the slightest redeeming action. We are devoured wholesale. My God Western Civilization has turned into a cesspool. There's nothing left to do but go for the money. None of care a damn bit enough about each other to do a thing about the moral decay.
This is all laid out in E. Michael Jones' "Libido Dominandi" - a must read for all students of civilization.
I question the sanity of anyone that is still wholly vested in this system.
"TURNING and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity."
Fuck this shithole country. There aren't words to describe this mess.
You see this at sports arenas, and I always point it out. Looking at the jumbotron, you'll see the cameramen are focused on one of two things: cute babies or hot women.
Of course, if I were a cameraman, I wouldn't want to put my lens on a fatty, I wanna see an attractive person, and so does the rest of the world.
I know this is different than a marketing aspect, but it shows that wherever you are, the constant is good looking people.
"I'm talking about Black women and their becoming more desired as wives of non-black men."
Inter-racial marriages of all types are becoming more common because the social and cultural barriers against them have lessened. Is the percentage of white guys marrying black women increasing at a faster rate than white guys marrying Asian or Hispanic women? I would guess it would not be the case. With the exception of a small subset of educated black women, most black women find most white guys to be too nerdy and prefer black guys. And a lot of white guys are repelled by the manners of many black women e.g. the "loud, angry, aggressive black woman" stereotype. The welfare state displaced black husbands as the providers for black women and we need to eliminate the welfare state so black men once again can have a role as husbands and fathers.
Talking about constant frustration and the sexual assault on men, OneSTDV, I'm surprised you never tackled the subject of mixity between boys and girls in schools and colleges (I'm not American, so sorry if I'm wrong, but the correct American term seems to be "coeducation").
The advent of coeducation in the 1960s and 1970s probably made more to shape the current popular culture and the current America than one thousand directives of Bill Clinton or one thousand MTV clips.
It led overall to a far more competitive, distracted and anxious youth.
Couple that with the contraception pill, which arrived in the 1960s, and you obtained a profound cultural tidal wave which completely reshaped America, and inverted the roles of social dominance -- in school and beyond.
It was no longer "who is the smartest in the room", but "who has eaten more pussy in the room", if you know what I mean. In terms of street cred.
Society gives them a little taste of something that they want so badly, but will never ever have. How cruel a tease. Of course, dangling a carrot in front of a horse does not turn out well.
Seems to me that the obvious solution is to legalize prostitution. Since you're not going to stop women from being pretty and there aren't enough pretty ones to go around, what other solution is there?
"Seems to me that the obvious solution is to legalize prostitution. Since you're not going to stop women from being pretty and there aren't enough pretty ones to go around, what other solution is there?"
You don't seem to understand several things (probably because you're a woman):
- 90% of prostitutes are ugly, and the few ones who are not have already seen three hundred different dicks. Hardly an exciting prospect for a high-class, well-born man.
- Paying for sex, for a man, does not bring the same sensations offered by normal sex with someone you love or are attracted by.
In fact, I'd even venture to say that most young men get more dopamin and serotonin from a kiss with a pretty and normal 16-year old girl than from anal sex with a 40-year old and drug addict prostitute.
As a student I once lived in a group house that included a hot, bitchy girl who'd walk around the house in very skimpy clothes. Sometimes panties and loose wifebeater with no bra, etc.
It was wonderful as far as seeing her and she sure gave me lots of "visual material" for later. But not banging her while constantly smelling her pheremones was painfully frustrating.
On balance though, having her there was better than not having her there.
And even further if a man decides to "check out" by getting a girlfriend or wife, his sex drive is still being ratcheted up constantly due to these images in pop culture. So he might not even be satisfied with his decent-looking wife because he's constantly being teased by hotter women.
female images and sexuality has become a tool of slavery in the modern west, and the two groups deriving tremendous power from it are females and wealthy men
we are bombarded with come-on teases in america, not only from women but from girls, while at the same time a feminist State has been created, in which maleness and male sexuality is criminalized and we are constantly told we live in a "rape culture" where females are continual victims of sexual assault
this is one reason i oppose Game -- it is an extension of the sexual enslavement of the modern male
yr point about sex-appeal being prioritized over talent in popular music is also spot-on: our cultures are now full of third-rate female divas and "artists" (Gaga, Beyonce ad nauseum) who sell themselves chiefly with sex appeal, and whose talent is marginal, at best
the result is not only degradation of culture, but the trumping of any REAL talent that may exist
Janis Joplin and Laura Nyro couldnt get gigs at an open-mike night nowdays -- no stupid "hotness" to market, only authentic talent that elevates, rather than flattens, the culture
Janis Joplin and Laura Nyro couldnt get gigs at an open-mike night nowdays -- no stupid "hotness" to market, only authentic talent that elevates, rather than flattens, the culture
Hey, I think Nyro was cute! (Yes, I know; you could 'Google-image' both flattering and not-so-flattering images of her; true of anyone who's lived fully and for a while ... beside, Geffen at one time liked the way she looked.
And FWIW (and it ain't much), I hardly consider Lady Gaga to be some erotically ripe icon!
I don't think black women are sexually attracted to white men. I also don't think white men are attracted to black women. Living in the middle of Diversity Land I cannot recall ever seeing a black female-white male couple in public.
Has any white guy that reads this blog had a white friend who was exclusively interested in black women? White guys catch the yellow fever but never catch the black plague.
You don't seem to understand several things (probably because you're a woman):
- 90% of prostitutes are ugly, and the few ones who are not have already seen three hundred different dicks. Hardly an exciting prospect for a high-class, well-born man.
- Paying for sex, for a man, does not bring the same sensations offered by normal sex with someone you love or are attracted by.
Is this my ubermench friend again? You're so subtle in how you establish your dominance. : )
Anyway, two points:
1) Making prostitution illegal certainly lowers the quality of prostitutes. Just like keeping drugs illegal makes sure that the individuals who go into the drug trade are only those inclined towards violence. If drugs were legal, the dealers would all be regular merchants. To be a prostitute when it's illegal, you have to care less about the risks to your reputation of getting caught and be more willing to risk your safety. No wonder, then, that most prostitutes are ugly and desperate.
2) The question is not whether sex with prostitutes is, for a man, "as good as" sex with someone whom he loves. The poster's point was men were getting teased by sexual images they could never have twenty-four hours a day. I don't think men are looking at supermodels and saying "if only she would love me." Well, maybe they are, but with legalized prostitution they would at least get the sex part.
But I suppose this solution is a little too rational for you traditionalists. Instead of expanding people's freedom in order to deal with a problem, many would rather contract it, even if the only way to deal with this particular problem would be making us like the Muslims the poster here hates so much.
That's a good point about how mainstream porn has become. If you don't go looking for porn online, you'll see less of it there than you will on the magazines in the grocery checkout lane. And most of the skin you do see online will be ads on completely mainstream sites, like the example One gave.
Since I started avoiding porn and went from hanging out at bars to spending time with traditional Catholics, where the women (and men) keep their shoulders covered, let alone their thighs and cleavage, I've become more sensitized. Now when I see a girl who's showing off her tattoo collection from sternum to sacrum, I think, "Good grief, save something for the wedding night." And I consider that a good thing. I don't want to say, "Eh, whatever," when a pretty girl bends over in front of me. I want to notice those little things.
"spending time with traditional Catholics, where the women (and men) keep their shoulders covered, let alone their thighs and cleavage,"
Where do you find those Catholics?
Older men like me can read this blog with sympathy for both men and women by simply comparing the current "cesspool" of social relations with the far more puritanical pre-Sixties America.Living one's early years in that more principled country, one is both happy for the early luck and depressed over the half century of descent into the Hades of sexual expression.Freud, of course, felt that excessive repression could be unhealthy, but even Freud would be appalled at our ugly and infantile licentiousness.
However, Anon 1/18/ 3:42p.m. is wrong about coeducation as a causative factor. Coeducation began long before 1960 but dorms were separate and policing frat parties was easily managed by a single dean at most colleges. Violations were met by very real consequences in a far more religious America. Frat house "Mothers" were usually respected and had a dampening effect on bantem roosters.The big event of the year was a panty raid, something that today's youth would judge anti-deluvian.
Yes, the cultural tidal wave of the Sixties had a profound effect by starting a secular humanist trend embodied in the race and gender "freedom" movements as well as demoralization by legal and cultural means. Language quickly coarsened and sexual freedom meant that females, the guardians of our morality, were co-opted into the service of shameless free love.
Emancipation of blacks meant that they were empowered in a PC culture to demand job, money, and women by virtue of the debt owed them by society. Alas, the black men by 1965 had lost their way as they lacked the good judgment and self-control to navigate a more complex, troubled society. The sexual jungle described by Vance Packard in 1974 was exactly right. In such a jungle black men, unable to handle the responsibilties of marriage and parenthood, still gained increasing status as sexual animals. White women gradually degraded themseves in this jungle of "choice" and PC enforcement.Behaving like sluts fitted into the Africanizing of American culture and the raising of sexual play to a mandate.
The plight of white women today is due to loss of religion and social controls, including their own power over men before 1960.They are more readily exploited today and many have been killed or beaten badly by black men whose jealosy can be murderous.Yes, they become clever at the game of seduction but the jungle is ever more destructive because it violates the very conditions that build strong families and healthy children. Dysfunction in black families is astronomical but was announced By Senator Moynihan in 1965!!Despite being much smarter whites must suffer various stressful symtoms due to the carnival of sexual baiting obvious in most media.With no religious revival in sight, it is a very long road to virtue in a post-modern age of decline.
If it's only frustrated males that would ever talk or feel this way, then why is it that I felt exactly the same way on these issues when I was single, and had been single for ten years, as I did when I was newly married, as I do now that I'm going into my fourth year of a happy marriage?
Could it be that traditional sexual morality has appeal to people of a certain ideology rather than people of a certain marital status?
As far as legalized prostitution goes, I'd consider it if the details were right.
(A) It should not be zoned into a "red light district". Rather, each municipality should have a binary choice of legalize it or not.
(B) Advertising by billboard, phonebook, newspaper ads, TV, or radio should be prohibited. Streetwalking (defined as the announcement, in a public place, that one is either offering or seeking paid sex) should be especially prohibited. Only online ads and word-of-mouth should be allowed. (The "free speech" absolutists will be mad about this, but they haven't overturned rules against gin advertisements on Nickelodeon, so I think they'll have to put up. In any case, any licensed female could get her word out to plenty enough people just by showing up to the right kind of party.)
(C) It should generate revenue not by taxing each service rendered, but through a licensing fee which should last up to six months (new prostitutes without much cash should be able to buy a cheap, short-duration license to get started). The licensing fee should pay for the medical screening.
(D) The service should be illegal if either party is married (that's where the traditional sexual morality fits in).
(E) The service should be illegal if it takes place on public property, or in sight of public property, or on private property without the owner's permission.
Not exactly the libertine playland some would like, but it would keep prostitution pretty much invisible, and it would generate some revenue, hopefully enough to cover the medical screens and some extra police protection. (It would be hard to justify this to the public, or myself for that matter, without making a serious attempt to stop sexual victimization, i.e. underage prostitution and sex slavery. So the licensing fees are important for that reason.)
"Has any white guy that reads this blog had a white friend who was exclusively interested in black women?"
I'm not White but I had a White friend like this. An older guy, in his 40's. Big surprise to me, since he grew up in an old-school, blue collar White urban area. The kind of place where interracial dating was probably rare in the 70's and 80's.
Also there were a few beta-ish White acquaintances at my law school with Black girlfriends but that was about it. For most White males w/o White girlfriends it's Latinas, Asians or bachelor-dom.
Sometimes, I think that It's as if society today is just set up to tease men. It borders on harrassment at times. At others, it is completely harrassment.
In the NHL playoffs last year, a "fan" harrassed a player in the penalty box by flashing her breasts. What kind of comments does she provoke? Mostly support and admonishment for security kicking her out of the building.
http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/nhl/article/993865--woman-flashes-breasts-during-canucks-sharks-telecas
Women's fashion has been getting skimpier and skimpier. Barely legal young women are walking around the street wearing downright provocative clothing to attract attention. They act like they're oblivious to the signals that they are sending, but, it's obvious that they get a thrill out of it.
Yet men are given the message that their libidos are the problem.
Feminism has everything to do with this because it takes away the ability to criticize women for this kind of behaviour.
"Living in the middle of Diversity Land I cannot recall ever seeing a black female-white male couple in public."
Oh, I can. It was at an upscale family attraction. He was tall, thin and fairly good looking. She was tall, fat and homely. And they had a couple of kids. It was a stunner. All I can figure is that she was thin before she had the kids and cuter before she was deformed by obesity.
This guy has a pretty interesting take on what rampant promiscuity and a sex dominated culture lead to.
http://www.coalpha.org/Post-Game-Culture-td6256108.html
People keep describing the women in all these ads bombarding us as being "unattainable". Why? Are they all nuns residing in some big monastery somewhere?
It's all fake, folks. Lots of artful makeup, hair puffed and dyed, careful lighting, posing and selective photography is all it is. Anyone can be made to look great under these conditions.
In real life most folks are average, below average or just slightly above average. Also, life goes on beyond age twenty-eight.
I wish I had a dollar for every time someone uses the the word "hot" to describe someone attractive. Are there any other terms out there that people could work into their vocabulary? It's overused and just sounds so air-headed.
"Is this my ubermench friend again?"
No, he isn't. I am the guy who I presume you're referring to.
"You're so subtle in how you establish your dominance. : )"
I still don't get why you condescend. That's a feature reserved for intelligent people.
"1) Making prostitution illegal certainly lowers the quality of prostitutes."
I'm fine with legalized prostitution. I don't endorse it however. And I'm sympathetic to people who want to keep it illegal. But overall, I come down on the pro-legalization side.
"Just like keeping drugs illegal makes sure that the individuals who go into the drug trade are only those inclined towards violence. If drugs were legal, the dealers would all be regular merchants."
But these matters actually affect the culture we live under. I can understand why people frown on drugs and drug culture for that matter.
"To be a prostitute when it's illegal, you have to care less about the risks to your reputation of getting caught and be more willing to risk your safety. No wonder, then, that most prostitutes are ugly and desperate."
It's always degrading for a woman to do such things (whether she realizes it or not). Most women recognize on some level that it's not for them for a reason. I'm not sure legalizing it would have the effect you claim. However, I would prefer it if prostitutes stayed ugly. I would not like to see beauty wasted on commerce.
"The question is not whether sex with prostitutes is, for a man, "as good as" sex with someone whom he loves. The poster's point was men were getting teased by sexual images they could never have twenty-four hours a day. I don't think men are looking at supermodels and saying "if only she would love me." Well, maybe they are, but with legalized prostitution they would at least get the sex part."
This may be the first thing we've ever agreed on in a sense, anyways. However, prostitution still doesn't justify the culture that we live under where sex is thrown in people's faces. I would not necessarily frame my objection to these images in terms of "oh, poor men," but I do think the pervasive images are symptoms of a larger and unhealthier dynamic.
"But I suppose this solution is a little too rational for you traditionalists."
Well, traditionalists don't think every molecule is about utility that can be appraised like you do. Not everything of value is something that can have a price tag or some equivalent slapped on it. Some of us think beyond a vulgar and debased notion like reciprocity. We're not looking for that uternal circle jerk under a mall ceiling like some philosophically illiterate utilitarian.
"Instead of expanding people's freedom in order to deal with a problem, many would rather contract it,"
You use "freedom" in a very narrow sense. In the most atomized reductionist sense that no people except for modern liberals have ever considered to be the essence of the word.
What about the freedom to live in a community that is wholesome where you can raise your kids without having to worry about something like these images undermining your efforts? But self-centered liberals like yourself don't look much past your own noses when you consider "freedom."
"even if the only way to deal with this particular problem would be making us like the Muslims the poster here hates so much."
That's like your calling card, isn't it? Putting words in other peoples mouths. Who said anything Muslims?
JC Supercop,
You're thinking of de facto homo-ism in the "liberated" physical sense (sexual attraction to the same sex) and not in its metaphysical sense (absolute sexual autonomy/self-sexualization/self-annihilation). Homosexuality is a sexual aversion for the "other" and a sexual attraction to the self. Replacing one's self-sexualizing addictions (the jerk) with one's same-sex addictions is analogous to the coke head turning into a heroin junkie. The basic desire is STILL a radical sexual autonomy. Self-sexualizing into extinction IS RADICAL SEXUAL AUTONOMY.
The RESULT of males being bombarded by candy that cannot be bought or tasted is a proliferation of self-sexualizing. Sexual autonomy. De facto homo-ism. Self-annihilating. Exactly what MGTOW implies and many MRAs advocate.
Or I guess MGTOW means a return to chaste living?
Yes yes, we're all faggots for not chasing after poon. You can go back to Jezebel now.
"Has any white guy that reads this blog had a white friend who was exclusively interested in black women?"
Not exclusively. However, I know a female who was Iggy Pop's girl friend while he was touring with David Bowie. In every town, she said Bowie would go to the nearest bar and immediately start flirting with the prettiest black woman there. Not surprisingly, he later married a black fashion model.
The pop culture images do nothing for me. Usually they turn me off and make me wonder how anyone can think that most of these women are attractive, when many of them in a normal setting would probably be 4's or 5's. (You can tell by the facial structure--makeup, lighting, and airbrushing will go only so far). So I have to wonder whether many of these images are really designed to appeal to women's ideals rather than to men's.
"You may not feel empowered as selling one's body isn't spiritually uplifting. But, as they say, sex sells and modern women know it. No one can deny that women use their sexuality to their advantage - in society as a whole, in the workplace, and in marriage."
One, it sounds to me as if you are hanging out where you are likely to see such women. What do you do? Go to clubs with pole dancing?
Maybe you visit college campuses that don't exactly draw bright women....more likely, One, you are visually zeroing in on only such scantily clad women, ignoring all the others dressed attractively, yet modestly.
Now, that pretty much sounds like a normal dude, doesn't it? You ignore the very women you claim there aren't enough of, giving your attention instead to those you feel are abusing your natural inclination to lust.
Gawd, talk about idiocy.
Gotta solution for ya, boy--go to a Muslim country for a while. The women won't abuse you.
Women aren't abusing men. Men are abusing men by not setting reasonable standards for women so that their brothers have an easier time keeping their libido in check, which is good for all kinds of other civilized behavior.
Christianity is the most difficult of the three major religions to practice fruitfully, and Islam answers its failings. It goes too far. But from the middle of the collapse looking up, it's going to start looking more and more reasonable.
"Now, that pretty much sounds like a normal dude, doesn't it? You ignore the very women you claim there aren't enough of, giving your attention instead to those you feel are abusing your natural inclination to lust."
:) Yes, but you see, it's all society's fault! :) He is being bombarded by images, literaly under assault by all those feminists who simmultaneously made all women look fat and ugly AND at the same time way too sexy and using it as a weapon againt men (!)
If only the society would be like in good old times, he would in fact notice the women who don't try to present themselves as a sex object :)
"Where do you find those Catholics?"
At a Latin Mass.
Prostitution wouldn't help, unless you can somehow get the *most* desirable women to be the prostitutes. If all men needed was sexual release, married men with willing wives would never cheat. But often when married men are cheating, their wives are complaining about how their husbands never touch them anymore.
If all a guy wanted was release, but he wasn't satisfied with his own handiwork, he'd take home the least attractive woman in the bar. It might cost a few drinks, but it'd be easy and perfectly legal, and she'd probably do whatever he liked as long as he liked without any haggling over price. These guys aren't thinking of "checking out" of the dating scene because they can't get laid without paying for it; it's because they can't attract the women they want. Those women won't become available just because you legalize prostitution.
(If anything, legalizing it should drop the price, giving attractive women even less incentive to take the job, which will still be seen as shameful even if it's legal. All those science fiction tales like Firefly where prostitution is socially accepted and just another service offered by qualified and pleasant personnel, like a haircut or a lube job, are just that -- science fiction. It wouldn't happen.)
agree with anonymous at 10:59.
Men are teased by photoshop. I once photoshopped an image of myself. I looked great. I recommend it for all.
I don't know about images versus reality. The hottest, and I do mean hottest, most smoking hot woman was in photos merely average looking. But her sweetness and general innocence made guys just go nuts and drool all over her (she did not like it either, she was a happily married woman).
In my view, a real woman even of merely average attractiveness beats an image of Yvonne Strahowski or Mila Kunis.
The problem is that most guys when it matters most, get priced out of the market. Thus immaturity gets ingrained, and responsibility avoided. It is one thing to have an average woman of 24-25 as your wife, still pretty hot, versus same woman you just married at age 35, barely able to stimulate much desire. BUT if you married her at age 25, the mental image and loyalty-bonds stem from that era.
The female display of course is not for Beta men, most women would prefer they go away or all turn gay. It is a display for ALPHAS. Our society has become Alpha crazy and mal-adapted.
Let me add that I appreciate pretty girls as much as the next guy. They're pretty. Beautiful things are beautiful, and nice. That's not assault. In one sense, women having the freedom to walk around in whatever, is a good thing, like seeing lots of kids and old people around. It means its a safe neighborhood, and not a Little Mogadishu or something.
BUT ... when you see an escalating beauty arms race, skimpier and skimpier, more and more beauty ads (watch CW sometime, to see what's being hawked for women) -- THAT is unhealthy. Because its evidence of more and more women chasing fewer and fewer desirable men.
Modern society makes most average White guys unsexy just by being the mostly equal socially to the average woman. Biologically they are apt mates, but status-wise they are not, because take an average woman, and give her social power, and the great mass of her physical peers drop away.
We don't have a solution for that (it explains the birth-dearth, women don't find their male peers worthy of getting them pregnant). And it causes sadness ultimately to the women not strong and disciplined enough to navigate that environment (close off the chase, take your victories when you can).
Whiskey,
So the reality is that this domino-effect began with fewer desirable white men OR the propagated notion of fewer desirable white men.
This suggests a pre-existing turn towards de facto homo-ism or the desire to make white boys "homosexual" (self-sexualizers).
Doesn't the desperate hunt for more "desirable" men suggest the proliferation of a large class of de facto homosexual males? Liberalized males? Sexually autonomous males? Sexually anonymous males?
And who has sought to turn our boys homosexual and convince them to go their "own way?"
Doesn't the trend scream "self-sexualizing is the shiznit!!!"
And what is self-sexualizing other than self-annihilation in orgasmic disguise?
Oh, fuck off back to Jezebel already. Some of us have good reasons for staying celibate that have absolutely nothing to do with homosexuality.
There is another aspect to this "in your face, white boy" barrage of female sexuality all around and it is the subliminal message that "white boy, you are DYING." These "treats" will soon be PERMANENTLY unavailable.
This lack of big picture understanding is what makes HBD so useless. It mainly stands as a means to legitimate the "racism" of white liberals and hide the fact that the white male liberal is self-annihilating in a host of liberal ways.
JC Supercop,
Ok clown...
So are you advocating such reasons in the world of MGTOW.
Do you do this?
What is your BEST reason?
You could help steer a lot of young boys in a better direction.
Thordaddy has been posting this "de facto homo" stuff for a long time. On other websites also. He just repeats it again and again.
Similar to the "gender-raunch" guy over at the spearhead website.
Maybe they are the same guy.
^^^Anon,
Are you attempting to say something useful?
How are memes created?
How are truths propagated?
Is it my imagination that homosexuality and homosexuals (including devout dykes) are being exalted and assuming incredible positions of power?
Why is race and ethnicity so informative of one's present beliefs and future actions and one's sexual orientation is not?
Please tell me how the homosexual and the male choosing de facto homo-ism are not self-annihilators?
What man really gives up on chasing tail AND THEN PREACHES THAT PERSONAL DEFEATISM TO THE WORLD giving little more justification than "no good women left in this world."
Yea, Thordaddy is a bit "eccentric", some would say "raving guy on street corner" eccentric.
But I have to give him credit - I eventually came around to his fantastic "liberal = radical autonomy" idea. I absolutely love that phrase and its insight.
If a once great civilization starts to die then it is clear cut evidence that its sons and daughters are dying. This is almost certainly from an increasing weakness relative to the world around them. But it is also a result of embracing "equality," i.e., anti-Supremacy, as our highest value.
It is commonsense that in our time of descent that the anti-Supremacists amongst us shall get no voice at the table. Self-annihilators, of which the homosexual is the archetype, get no voice at the table. Their VOICE IS RADICAL LIBERALISM. Those beholden to descent cannot bring us out of a descent. We require only those who know how to ascend to speak at the table.
The rules of the game are highly malleable.
OneSTDV,
Credit where credit is due.
My idea of radical autonomy through the consistent application of nondiscrimination and tolerance in order to exist in "equality" but leading to self-annihilation is a synthesis of Auster's notion of nondiscrimination as liberal's highest value plus Mark Richardson's notion of a liberal archetype being those whose seek to self-indentify while rejecting all unchosen attributes (sex, race, ethnicity etc) to gain full autonomy plus my own observation of what really happens at the end of this progression. Call it, Final Liberation. And perhaps a genuine radical autonomy.
I love radical autonomy, but I don't want to live in a world of radical autonomists. I'm too far gone to embrace traditionalism myself, but I argue for it because radical modernism is toxic to innocence. We owe more to each other. No doubt we are devolving rapidly.
I keep to myself and try not to break anything.
Thordaddy: "Ok clown..."
Shut the fuck up.
Hey, Supercop, you do sound like a faggot.
"I absolutely love that phrase and its insight."
I go one further: I've come to understand what he means by Supremacy and I agree with him. It is a good thing.
The 'raving bum' thing is his persistence in staying at a high level of generality. Anyone can make broad-strokes assertions. But good writers support big ideas with examples and illustrations at a level of specificity. Jesus made big points with commonplace illustrations in His parables.
"Hey, Supercop, you do sound like a faggot."
Are you retarded? This is a serious question.
Wilco,
Your comments here really struck a chord with me. Im right there with you man.
Seems to me that the obvious solution is to legalize prostitution. Since you're not going to stop women from being pretty and there aren't enough pretty ones to go around, what other solution is there?
Women "being pretty" is not the problem. Women dressing inappropriately is. Prostitution is not a solution to that problem.
Feminism is not for sexual liberation, it is for deforming the nature of sexuality. Feminists actually want to spread out an unpleasant attitude towards the natural sex. Porn industry is doing the same.
Thordaddy gets it. The 'Golden Rule' is poison.
Atheism and Christianity are more at odds with the genetic (and memetic!) interests of White Men than Islam and Judaism. While Atheism and Christianity should be eradicated, Muslims and Jews should live under a Pact of Umar.
By promising the right to marry more than four women, we could even recruit the most fierce and alpha of Muslims to our new religion.
By promising the right to marry more than four women ..
.. we'd prove that we are innumerate morons. (We'd prove other things as well, but that's the most obvious and intractable thing)
Columnist,
No...
There is no alliance with the radically autonomous JIHADIST (those who worship the radically autonomous Allah) and those that strive towards Supremacy.
What we are seeing in reality is the clash of two variants of radical liberalism (radical "Western" liberalism versus Jihad) and TEMPORARY ALLIANCES where BOTH take the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" when Christianity is the target.
@Thordaddy
DSCI is closer to Judaism and Islam than to mainstream Christianity.
I did not talk about an alliance with Islam, I did talk about priorities. But maybe Islam SHOULD be targetted more than Atheism. That is the approach of Jihad Watch.
The old guy up top who said "[females are the keepers of our morality]" is a typical conservative dolt.
They are the reason we are in this mess.
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And of course thordaddy is insane.
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