Monday, January 23, 2012

Blacks will Save White America?

Amongst the larger right-wing commentariat, there's perpetual talk of conservative white America finally throwing their weight around politically. While the punditry sometimes overstates their optimism (or opposition) in this regard, the 1980's Moral Majority, the 2000's evangelical Religious Right, and the continued popularity of right-wing talk radio implies that the majority still holds some amount of power. But I ask a rather heretical sort of question - what if blacks can actually save conservatism? And I don't mean their impact on social issues like gay marriage in California. I mean that blacks can actually singlehandedly keep America a race-based European nation with white people still strongly in command.

Admittedly I present the argument as above to be purposefully incendiary, so let me fill in the context below:
-The Left has power only as a coalition of minority groups, namely immigrants, blacks, gays, Hispanics, and Jews (for their money).
-The Left can only have enough votes if they maintain this rather tenuous multicultural bloc.
-One primary reason the Left maintains this group is due to Hispanic fecundity, weak deportation efforts of illegals, and lax immigration restriction, both legal and illegal.
-Thus, the Left must ensure Hispanics and immigrants in general continue their relative population growth as a means of populating the next generation of Democrat voters.
So what if any of the above Leftist groups decide it no longer likes the Democrat message, it no longer sees one particular aspect of the Democrat plan as beneficial for their own group? Just from the numbers, especially as white Americans grow increasingly frustrated with liberalism, Democrats absolutely need every minority group voting as much as possible. It's why they've championed felon voting, absentee ballots, and same-day registration, amongst other initiatives, some nefarious, to expand the vote as much as possible. If any one group drops out of their ragtag collection, they just don't have the raw numbers to pass anything.

So I ask - what if blacks drop out? What if blacks suddenly realize that immigration, one of the pillars of modern liberalism, actually affects them very badly? What if blacks realize that unskilled Hispanic laborers have replaced them in the lower-class, while Asian groups like Arabs, Vietnamese, and Indian groups set up businesses in their neighborhoods? Blacks may realize that sticking it to whitey simply isn't that important anymore; it's far better to fight so much imported competition in the job market. And in making this decision, blacks actually help whites maintain their demographic hegemony, as immigration and subsequent anchor baby births are the primary means of racial displacement.

So have blacks woken up to the fact that modern liberalism might pay them off with welfare, but all the while steal jobs from those in black communities who actually want to work? Take a look at this video:



We've seen this before - fat black bitch goes crazy in public. And she does begin with the expected appeal to slavery and reparations. But listen to her rant - she actually doesn't primarily blame black economic problems on evil whitey. She blames it on immigrants taking jobs and getting loans to build businesses in black neighborhoods. She also alludes to multi-generational Americans as having a sort of birthright - "we built the pipes...". Here's some quotes:
And [immigrants] own the industry. They own the hotels and they own these. But I'm asking you why is there an industry for you, who has opened the market to you? If you go back, go all the way back, at one point in time it was us that owned it in our own communities.

We don't want you owning shit in our community; we want to you to go back to where you live. Because where I live don't none of you live, but you come to our communities and take our money. And where you at - you in a black community.

When I go to to try to own a hair store, who owns the industry - the Chinese. And they have to sell it to us and they don't want to sell it to us.

Go back to your country, make your money there...let us own our own shit.
Now I'm not going to bash immigrants who come here to live the American Dream. In fact, I applaud those that still believe in America as the land of opportunity (hint hint: despair porn alt-right). And the woman is wrong in not understanding why banks don't loan to blacks; simply, blacks are irresponsible or many do not have the proper credit. Further, blacks have shown themselves largely incapable of running organized, stable business (see athlete bankruptcy), especially with the incentives of the welfare state and the cultural/family problems of black America.

Yet, while this woman ignores some other variables, she does understand how much immigration has hurt black America. Prior to the double whammy of Civil Rights and Latino immigration, blacks did get along decently, so one could argue that blacks aren't entirely hopeless.

I'll end by noting the transparency of "on-the-ground" experience. While detached elites continue to push large-scale societal changes without an understanding of local repercussions, the "unwashed masses" are the ones who must endure whatever the elite imposes on them. The HuffPo may censure black comedian Kat Williams for his anti-Mexican rant in order to maintain their voting bloc, but some of the plebians might very well dissent anyway. And wouldn't it be deliciously ironic if the favorite pet group of liberals, the blacks, were the first to do so?

[I'll concede that blacks may very well prefer the hush money offered by welfare-supporting Democrats, but I also think this woman does reflect a large portion of the black community.]

84 comments:

IHTG said...

Sure, but blacks' support of white America would consist of them not showing up at the ballots. I'm sure you have no illusions that they'll ever actually vote Republican or anything like that.

Anonymous said...

She's got a few good points, but like most Bantus, she just can't keep her Inner Chimp from coming out. I don't know if blacks are unaware of how off-putting this is to humans of all races, or if they just get a kick out of intimidating people. The head-bobbing, the arm-waving, the repeated charges - you almost expect a guy with a tranquilizer gun to appear and shoot her in the ass. TGB - Typical Gorilla Behavior.

Blacks are not going to ever wake up and "realize" anything - they are dumb, dumb, dumb. All they know is that YT's a rayciss; they have no idea how to change their situation. And they certainly can't compete with other races on an intellectual level. The smarter ones will assimilate with the mainstream culture, and interbreed with humans, and the ghetto blacks will be left to rot.

(BONUS FUN: For extra points, count the # of times Gurl'Fren uses the word "community" in the video.)

Anonymous said...

They did a fake "don't vote" public service announcement on 30 Rock (the tv show).

YouTube clip of the scene or quote:

"Black people, don't vote! Did you know that in the amount of time it takes to vote you could play three games of pool? Three! Now that's fresh."

Lara said...

This woman has some valid points. They were so much better off when it was just them and white southerners. I don't blame her for being angry.

Lara said...

There was a scene in Gone WIth the WInd where some Yankee woman was talking about how she couldn't understand how white southerners could allow blacks in their houses and around their children. It was made clear to her, by the white southerners, that talk was not acceptable.

Anonymous said...

I admit, knocking blacks out of the Democratic voting block would be a pretty strong blow to big D Democrats, but is it likely to happen?
I read a report from the CIS a while ag, which states that most African-Americans find immigration to be too high. However, they'd proably consider immigration as being lower in importance than many other issues, such as receiving Gov't bennies, subsidized health care and of course sticking it to the WASP establishment. Thus, on the balance of things it's not likely to sway their voting habits much.

Also, in the past, there have often been racial riots and etc, between blacks and whatever other minority has decided to set up businesses in their neighbourhoods (such as Jews.) It hasn't caused much friction in the Democrat's Rainbow Coalition as of yet.

Anonymous said...

Any "solutions" to the black problem have to assume that blacks are smart enough to change. They simply are not. There will be no waking up moment, no epiphany. Nothing. They know but one thing: Whitey be bad.

-Sweep the leg

Anonymous said...

If "people of color" take over, anybody who desires any quality of life whatsoever had better be able to afford to live behind a very large wall or gate. People of color can be amusing in small numbers, but when they are too numerous, hello Third World! Hello flies and murder and filth and disease and turmoil.

Nice trolling there.

Daybreaker said...

Whites will save themselves or they will not be saved.

OneSTDV said...

Any "solutions" to the black problem have to assume that blacks are smart enough to change. They simply are not.

However, they'd proably consider immigration as being lower in importance than many other issues, such as receiving Gov't bennies, subsidized health care and of course sticking it to the WASP establishment.

Whites will save themselves or they will not be saved.

Ultimately I probably agree, but it's interesting to note that not all blacks, even TNB-ehaving blacks like the one in the video, buy into the Rainbow Coalition's master plan. Plus, arguing the opposite made for an interesting post/thought experiment.

Ken S said...

The question is also what issue is the Republican party willing to concede to the Democrats to make this possible. The Democrats right now are in an easy position to maintain egalitarian rhetoric because they don't *actually* have to implement fair egalitarian economic policies, it is against elite interests, and the Republicans will fight them tooth and nail anyways. Shifting demographics only makes this a sweeter and sweeter deal for the Democrats. If the Republicans suddenly say 'ok we agree lets start soaking the rich' and finally make it happen then they could probably still compete on the culture side in a more diverse society.

Justin said...

Conservative southern Populists do well among blacks, guys like Mike Huckabee, heck, even Bill Clinton shades that way, because they come from poor backgrounds and relate to the common man. Republicans, instead, go with guys like Romney, who is unappealing to the common man in every possible way.

If the Conservative Populists could get represented in the GOP, their black vote would jump, but the GOP is the party of money.

Lets not forget, conservative Southern populists used to be Democrats! The only thing that pushed them into the GOP was Reconstruction 2 (i.e. the Civil Rights era).

Anonymous said...

Yes, I've actually turned my thoughts in this direction, more than once. Trouble is, Blacks have far less foresight or ability to see the big picture even than most other featherless bipeds.

And appealing to Blacks on ethnopatriotic grounds is a non-starter; if you want to see Blacks pursuing ethnopatriotism, look all around you - this is as good as it gets for them. Amalgamation, integration, racial suicide, equalitarianism, BRA, AA... this is "Black Nationalism."

Svigor

stonelifter said...

blacks can't save themselves our their families. How can they be expected to help save a nation?.

Mark said...

Last week I drove from west to east here in Indianapolis along Thirtieth Street, which is the center of the black part of town. The whole way I hardly saw a single restaurant, grocery store, bakery, music store or any other kind of commercial establishment, unlike the Hispanic neighborhoods here. Blacks here seem totally incapable of operating any kind of business enterprise at all other than drug dealing. We might be able to peel off a few blacks from the Democrat coalition by being anti-immigration but only at the price of continuing to hand out huge amounts of welfare to them at the same time. I think the cost would end up exceeding the benefits. It would be better for the Republicans to end immigration and concentrate on a coalition of white males, women married to white males, and the more entrepreneurial of the Asian and Hispanic immigrants already here.

Anonymous said...

I suspect that Black/White relations are going to improve if only for Black self preservation.

Hispanics given a chance (the lower rung not the kinda White upper class) will genocide them out of existence in a way that the most ardent KKK member would not. Lots of Whites think little of Blacks but they'll tolerate, pay off or ignore them so long as they don't create too much trouble.

The Hispanics will kill, hell they already have started

http://www.scpr.org/news/2011/06/08/27151/federal-indictment-says-latino-gang-targeted-afric/

My ears tell me this is just the tip of the iceberg.

Q said...

Another super athletic black person. I'm sure she can run the 100m in 10 seconds flat.

alonzo portfolio said...

Yeah, but did you notice her nails. She has money to get them done.

alonzo portfolio said...

Yeah, but did you notice her nails. She has money to get them done.

Q said...

It would be better for the Republicans to end immigration and concentrate on a coalition of white males, women married to white males, and the more entrepreneurial of the Asian and Hispanic immigrants already here.


You're assuming that such a coalition would constitute a majority. It won't.

not a hacker said...

I don't know if blacks are unaware of how off-putting this is to humans of all races, or if they just get a kick out of intimidating people.

The answer if both. Intimidation is blacks' main fizz in life. I've argued on this blog that obesity is a tactic for them. It allows black women to do with sheer weight what their men do with muscles. On the other hand, they have no idea that other non-white groups view them as pathological. Middle-easterners, for example. A group of arab cabbies in Berkeley once told me, "there's something wrong with those people."

Q said...

Some commenters on this site (they usually go by "Anonymous") cross the line from being "race realists" to being full-blown racist dickheads.

Anonymous said...

Not gonna happen. The "talented tenth"- the minority of black capable of running businesses and generally improving their communities- fled their low class brethren after the end of segregation. They are not going to move back to the 'hood either. Any amount of welfare, even if it shrinks as white people are replaced by net-tax receiving hispanics, will still be more than the current crop of ghetto black could ever produce on their own.

not a hacker said...

I too, have personally witnessed a black guy whining about housing subsidies for latinos, though he was nowhere as unhinged as this woman. But for what discrete purpose would blacks temporarily abandon big D? An end to immigration? Okay then what? After doing conservative whites this favor, wouldn't they be owed even more in terms of public goodies? For me, blacks in public service positions is the main driver of decline in quality of life. I'd prefer the friendly, if slightly IQ deficient, Mexican.

MC said...

Did I hear her right? Her 104-year-old grandmother "just died" and she was a slave?

Q said...

After doing conservative whites this favor, wouldn't they be owed even more in terms of public goodies?


I hate to break this to you, but Hispanics are equally hooked to public goodies. It would be much cheaper in the long run to buy the black vote (with public goodies) and end Hispanic immigration than to continue with Hispanic immigration as part of some plan to stick it to blacks.

Mark said...

"You're assuming that such a coalition would constitute a majority. It won't."

Q, the Republican Party took the House of Representatives away from the Democrats in the last election by getting sixty per cent of the white vote. Whites still make up a majority of the population. Also, a lot of minorities either can't vote (children under 18 and felons) or don't vote (too lazy). So candidates supported by minorities can only win if they seem nonthreatening and moderate enough to appeal to some whites like Obama did. In the long run, though, if we don't end immigration and the welfare state then whites will become a minority. At that point there will be an economic collapse and we'll turn into some third world country like Haiti or Somalia.

corvinus said...

It would be better for the Republicans to end immigration and concentrate on a coalition of white males, women married to white males, and the more entrepreneurial of the Asian and Hispanic immigrants already here.

Haha, I like that. "White males, women married to white males..." I didn't think of it this way, but 'tis true... unless they're married to a white male, women are just as leftist as minorities.

poultry inspector said...

Some commenters on this site ... cross the line from being "race realists" to being full-blown racist dickheads.


I take it you've had relatively little direct contact with blacks.

Dissident said...

"Red Tails cleaned up over the weekend!


Looks like Blacks do not need whites to succeed."

I don't know if this is meant as sarcasm or not? But, if not, then: Wrong! Because it was a white liberal that produced this piece or film-flam (yes, that's meant as sarcasm). That's correct; without whitey film maker, there is no film extolling the virtues of some mythical squadron of black superhero's.

So, in essence, you do need whites making these craptastic movies.

Mason_Arrow said...

"So have blacks woken up to the fact that modern liberalism might pay them off with welfare, but all the while steal jobs from those in black communities who actually want to work?"

In my city the blacks don't seem to like latinos, blaming them for economic issues already mentioned. As a rule, their anti-hispanic feelings do nothing to alter their voting habits. The GOP around here runs hardline White candidates, milquetoast White candidates, token Black Conservatives - it never matters. They always lose the Black vote.

It's also noteworthy that Blacks have always been strongly anti-homosexual and somewhat anti-abortion. Just as their political opinions on these issues don't stop them from "going on the downlow" or having lots of abortions, disliking latinos does nothing to change their behavior in the voting booth.

Nevertheless, I think we can count on the GOP rejecting the "Sailer Strategy" (acknowledging its whiteness) and continuing to put their trust in, for example, Allen West, Michael Steele, Ken Hamblin, &c. This election, like all other elections, will be the one where the Great Black Conservative helps other blacks Find Their Inner Conservative and "Get Off the Librul Plantation". LOL. Kind of like Linus with the Great Pumpkin.

Anonymous said...

If you want blacks to stop being liberal...

Show them how liberalism has enslaved them in the prison-industrial complex, and how your philosophy can actually get them out.

Camlost said...

"Red Tails cleaned up over the weekend!


Looks like Blacks do not need whites to succeed."

LOL, yes !!

Blacks only need whites to invent the videocameras, airplanes, airports, videotape, screenplays, monitors and movie theaters.

Niggaz can handle all da rest.

The African movie industry is about to explode with successful black talent. (as soon as the white man delivers the equipment)

Q said...

I take it you've had relatively little direct contact with blacks.


I'm sure I've had much more direct contact with blacks than you have.

Q said...

the Republican Party took the House of Representatives away from the Democrats in the last election by getting sixty per cent of the white vote. Whites still make up a majority of the population.


You're living in a dream world. Last year more non-white children were born in America than white ones. When the current adults die and the current children grow up, this will be a majority non-white country. It's a mathematical certainty.


In the long run, though, if we don't end immigration and the welfare state then whites will become a minority.


See above.

Whiskey said...

Blacks HATE HATE HATE White guys most of all. So no, they'll always be part of the anti-White guy coalition.

At any rate, you're arguing that Blacks have the potential to realize long-term interests align with White guys in stopping immigration, over short term interests of aligning with Mexicans to extract every last dollar from White guys.

I don't think that will happen. Most people, Black, White, Asian or Hispanic are very good at optimizing short term returns, often at the expense of long term interests. The tragedy of the Commons. Human beings across races seem wired this way. It generally takes extraordinary effort and terrible group cohesion (Scandinavians, Japanese, Koreans) to achieve anything like restraining short term interests for long term interests.

Q said...

Most people, Black, White, Asian or Hispanic are very good at optimizing short term returns, often at the expense of long term interests.


That is hardly an insoluble problem. If the blacks want money to vote for the right, give them money to vote for the right. Such a course will be far cheaper over the long run then continuing down the current open borders path. It's the rational, cost-effective thing to do.

Unfortunately a lot of people on the right are not especially rational where blacks are concerned.

Whiskey said...

Red Tails was a major flop. Even with busing every school kid into the movie on Friday (hat tip Deadline Hollywood), the movie only made $19 million, less than Underworld Part 37, which is pathetic. It will never go over in China or other foreign countries where Blacks are viewed as literally sub-human. No PC lectures will make them change their minds either.

In order for Blacks to join the White guy coalition, they have to get a better short term deal. That means the current Affirmative Action, legal preferences, legal enhanced rights (Protected Class) with Whites having no civil rights. No protection for Hate Crimes.

The only thing Republicans could offer would be Reparations for Slavery, as a continuing stream. Basically White guys paying a White guy tax to Blacks, contingent on there being enough White guys making enough money and the stream not going to Mexicans.

Now, theoretically that would work because short term interests (CASH MONEY!) would obliterate every other aspect, though it would be vulnerable to double cross (you promised! So what if we voted Dem!)

But good luck selling that to White guys. They'd see it as a raw deal -- they pay for both Mexicans AND Blacks, forever. Which is probably true.

Addendum: the Grudge with Sarah Michelle Gellar made $39 million the weekend before Halloween in 2004. With Amber Tamblyn in 2006, Grudge 2 made $20 million opening weekend. So basically Red Tails made slightly less (inflation) than a remake of a remake of a Japanese Horror movie, starring the gal from "Joan of Arcadia."

Wow. Way to go.

nikcrit said...

Whiskey says,
"It will never go over in China or other foreign countries where Blacks are viewed as literally sub-human."

Are you saying that black-American pop culture artifacts don't sell in China? That black artists and athletes aren't revered? (lol!)

Q said...

Blacks HATE HATE HATE White guys most of all. So no, they'll always be part of the anti-White guy coalition.


You're full of crap, as usual. Back when the Democratic party in the South was the party of segregation and anti-black discrimination, blacks in the North voted for the Democrats! Why? Follow the money. They don't hate hate hate white guys, they love love love money.

Q said...

The only thing Republicans could offer would be Reparations for Slavery, as a continuing stream. Basically White guys paying a White guy tax to Blacks



We're paying that now, you moron.


But good luck selling that to White guys. They'd see it as a raw deal -- they pay for both Mexicans AND Blacks, forever.


They are currently paying for (an ever increasing number of) Mexicans and blacks forever, you nitwit. Unless something drastic changes they are going to continue paying for (an ever increasing number of) Mexicans and blacks forever. Something drastic like splitting up blacks and Mexicans.

Mason_Arrow said...

"Are you saying that black-American pop culture artifacts don't sell in China? That black artists and athletes aren't revered? (lol!)"

Whiskey is correct. In Asia Blacks are often considered apelike. Minstrel-show type knicknacks with negroid features are popular. Protests against US servicemen in Okinawa & Korea sometimes have an [antiblack] racial aspect. Interracial relationships between Black soldiers and Okinawan women are unpopular, to say the least.

Pop culture appeal of NAM mega-stars like Michael Jordan or Beyonce is probably not enough to generate Asian sympathy for Black culture in general. In Asia, as in America, Blacks have a tendency to test the majority's patience. See, for instance, sex assaults involving Black troops & Asian girls. Or that video from last year of a Black expat beating passengers on a bus in Korea.

geezerette said...

Not to worry, guys!! When TSHTF and
it will, daddy gov can't hand them
money. After the EU crashes, the
US and China will be next. None of
the governments can continue funding of the welfare state. Guns,
ammunition and butter will save a
few preparing whites outside the
major urban areas.

nikcrit said...

"Whiskey is correct. In Asia Blacks are often considered apelike. Minstrel-show type knicknacks with negroid features are popular. Protests against US servicemen in Okinawa & Korea sometimes have an [antiblack] racial aspect. Interracial relationships between Black soldiers and Okinawan women are unpopular, to say the least."

No, he isn't correct; not even close. I've read dozens of articles that claim that rap is the biggest youth-oriented pop-music genre in
Asia (which, of course, varies region to region); it's my understanding that acceptance of black-american pop is universal in Asian country, but that the social pop culture is rather segregated in People's Republic of China, but is NOT so in the more 'reformed,'democratic-regions such as Korea; i know for a fact that there's incredible large rap and reggae youth subcultures in the major Japanese cities; and that multiculturalism in the pop culture in prevalent in South Korea.
You need to separate what you wish from what is evident truth; I mean, i bite my tongue a lot when i hear a lot of entertaiment demographics spewed here to go in accord with the commenters' racial desires; i mean, it IS your site and i'm somewhat of a interloper here ---- but man, every now and then some of you try to float some real doozies! I mean, entertainment industries all have reputable trade magazines and industry logs, and what you say simply does not jibe with reality. And citing a episodes of racial confrontation proves nothing; i mean, you have thousands of such acts here, yet also a integrated pop culture that you all here constantly lament.
I mean, I don't get into these arguments to take a 'side,' but even trickled down to the lay pop press and mainstream, it's known that black American athletes, pop entertainers, etc., are revered in Asian countries. Even the PRC is moving in that direction, which is hardly a bastion of open-ended, free-market pop consumption. Also, what do you think drives those Asian pop-entertainment piracy figures upwards of 30% of all pop products consumed.
Not to lower myself to this petty rearranging of reality, but while all forms of american pop prevail in Asia, crappy contemporary figures like, say, jay Z, Ludacris and Busta Rhymes far, FAR outsell American country artists like Toby Keith and Kenny Chesney or whoever's riding high on the country charts these days.
I mean, if you want to go for thsi crude racial-pop tit-for-tat, you may just find out that you really don't want to go there. For the most part, the multi-culti-pop zeitgeist you find in America is only that much moreso in other developing parts of the world.
And I'm not even talking about pop trends in Europe, in which many of your dreads have already manifested.

Remnant said...

The Sailer Strategy is the reason why One's thought experiment will never happen: assume that Republicans manage to get half of the 98% of blacks who currently vote Democrat. What does that amount to? A million or two votes? Big deal. Also, the largest black voting blocks are (1) in states like NY that vote so overwhelmingly Democrat that the loss of half of black votes won't matter or (2) states that vote so overwhelmingly Republican (Deep South) that the gain of votes won't matter.

Then there is the question of timing. Does One believe that the proposed shift would occur over a timeframe of anything less than several decades? By then, the demographic shifts that this strategy is meant to avert would already have obtained.

Aside from the above theoretical objections to One's proposal, the practical one is most pertinent: most blacks will continue to live very comfortably with the cognitive dissonance of voting for the party that is both (1) giving them goodies and (2) demographically dispossessing them. (Particularly when the alternative is another party that will demographically dispossess them, without giving them goodies.)

Kiwiguy said...

African american law professor Carol Swain discussed this on NPR (she also wrote a book called Contempory Voices of White Nationalism & said Taylor was her favourite).

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=123811962

Peter A said...

But white "conservatives", aka the business elite, support immigration because no one wants to hire blacks. Every wealthy conservative wants Mexican gardners and cooks, El Salvadoran nannies, and Guatemalan landscapers. No one wants to use blacks for those jobs. So, as other posters have said, what is the GOP prepared to offer? There is no way the Romneys and Gingriches of the world will ever agree to limit immigration.

Peter A said...

Don't even get me started on the foul propaganda that is "Red Tails". Maybe the bright side is that the movie is so over the top that maybe some white Americans, who are in significant numbers of German descent, will start to realize they are being spit on by Hollywood.

nikcrit said...

"Whiskey is correct. In Asia Blacks are often considered apelike. Minstrel-show type knicknacks with negroid features are popular. Protests against US servicemen in Okinawa & Korea sometimes have an [antiblack] racial aspect."

No, Whiskey's not correct; not even close. I bite my tongue a lot on this blog, when I hear some of the commenters make casual observations about foreign pop culture trends while conveniently ramroding them into their racial grievances; unless they're part of the Big Liberal Conspiracy alongside the mainstream media, consult some foreign editions of industry trade publications such as Pollstar and Billboard, and take note of the legions of black American pop acts that routinely tour Asian countries. Furthermore, black-american pop style and influence is , with the exception of the PRC, which is still much more closed a international pop milieu, as multi-culti and NAM-oriented as it is here; I hate to break it to you, but crappy rappers such as Jay Z or, say, Ludacris and Busta Rhymes are more popular there than are white American pop-country acts like Kenny Chesney and Toby Keith; South Korean and Japan have huge hip-hop and reggae youth subcultures.
Just because there are documentable issues of racial stereotyping and caricaturization that you cite, doesn't mean that African-American influence is lessened there! Thousands of such acts happen here, yet there exists that black-pop influence that most of you here lament during other posts on the subject!
What you're doing is making sloppy conjecture and then happily projecting your racial wishes on to a place you know little or nothing about.
BTW, Whiskey: I find your comments entertaining and even occasionally interesting, but though I don't have the patience to tag and redress most of it, you spew some serious bullshit quite often ---- and i'm not talking (just) the opions, but rather much-upon-much as what you posit as historical fact.

Dissident said...

So, hip-hop, ghetto, black culture has been exported/imported into certain Asian countries?

This means nothing except that the east must be in as much decline as the west? I think the mass marketing guru's of Madison Ave. could sell a BLT to a pig, but that doesn't mean anything except that someones not looking out for their own (cultural) best interests.

I'd be happy to ship every last drop of hip-hop culture to them and whomever else would take it.

Lucille said...

Maybe it's better to say that hip-hop culture has been reproduced in Asian countries. It's not a pure "export", since some of the performers are home-grown.

Svigor said...

If you want blacks to stop being liberal...

Show them how liberalism has enslaved them in the prison-industrial complex, and how your philosophy can actually get them out.


Actually, that's pretty clever. I never considered that angle; the death of neo-liberalism and the rise of self-determination (the two are antithetical) would mean Blacks would no longer have to live up to White norms. Ergo, far fewer Blacks in prison.

Svigor said...

African american law professor Carol Swain discussed this on NPR (she also wrote a book called Contempory Voices of White Nationalism & said Taylor was her favourite).

Let's back up a sec. If you want to switch topics, and wonder aloud if there's a place for Black intellectuals in advancing White interests, then the answer's a resounding "yes."

Blacks are highly individualistic (in the sense of serving their interests for pay over the interests of their race), practically immune to shame, and they're largely exempted from leftoid criticism (said exemption works on multiple levels, btw). So yeah, we definitely have use for them, and as long as we have the resources, they'll definitely play ball.

Very different question from the thread topic, though.

Q said...

There is no way the Romneys and Gingriches of the world will ever agree to limit immigration.


Why do people keep acting as if Romney and Gingrich were the same on immigration? Time to wake up.

Anonymous said...

People of Clor are advancing

whites are declining

simple as that

Columnist said...

@Svigor

Many Black people fear abortion. The Republicans can use that to their advantage, OR....

WNs could openly and aggressively agitate for abortion facilities in Black neighboorhoods.

This could place the liberal Elite in a serious double-bind. After all, they feel threatened by an increasingly powerful Pro-Life/Anti-Choice movement, and consider abortion to be an Intrinsic Good. It will be very painful to acknowledge that Evil People like WNs can use such a Wonderful Thing like abortion. And it will be very embarassing to see that the Conservatives were right on the racial angle of abortion.

Mason_Arrow said...

"What you're doing is making sloppy conjecture and then happily projecting your racial wishes on to a place you know little or nothing about."

Nah, just realizing that it means nothing if Jang Q Citizen hangs a JayZ poster on his wall. No matter how much bitter NAMS might want to think otherwise - lol.

If OIF and Afghanistan have taught us anything, it's that muslims are capable of enjoying American pop culture while having intense religious (and occasionally racial) hatred for citizens of the US. Asians are different, you see. They just lurrrve the black "Soldiers" who tag team their 12 y/o daughters. Because the cool rap music prolly makes up for it, or something. Haha...

Mark said...

"That is hardly an insoluble problem. If the blacks want money to vote for the right, give them money to vote for the right. Such a course will be far cheaper over the long run then continuing down the current open borders path. It's the rational, cost-effective thing to do."

The Republicans offering money to blacks in exchange for their support won't work because the Democrats will ALWAYS offer more to blacks than the Republicans. You don't see that? If the Republicans try to play that game, they'll just lose. With their low IQ and lack of future time orientation, blacks will always vote for whoever offers the biggest welfare state even though it's going to lead to long term economic decline. Instead of trying to get blacks to vote for Republicans, it would be easier to close the borders and pick up a minority of the Hispanic vote and add that to the white vote to get a majority for the Republicans. The Hispanics already here will like not having to compete for jobs with new immigrants. Having higher IQs and being less corrupted by the welfare state than blacks, it will be easier to get some of them to vote Republican. Some thirty percent already do, as compared to ten per cent of blacks.

Sheila said...

Excellent comment by Mason Arrow. Nikrit is confusing Hollywood and Madison Avenue's marketing success with actual cultural norms. I have lived in five foreign countries (four of them White) and visited a dozen others (often at the invite of a native) and there is a general antipathy to Blacks across the board.

nikcrit said...

"Nah, just realizing that it means nothing if Jang Q Citizen hangs a JayZ poster on his wall. No matter how much bitter NAMS might want to think otherwise - lol."

Thanks for reiterating the point I made in my initial comment to you; YOU'RE the one who was trying to make a cause-and-effect; I maintained that both racial antipathy and cultural amalgamation can coincide and, in fact usually occur simultaneously. Ditto re. Sheila's reply/remark; I'm well aware that blacks, particularly Africans, hold lower social status and regard in many other countries; nothing I said contradicts that fact, and nothing I said is untrue while coinciding with the truth of what you just said.

It's sort of amusing the way pro-white advocates are always assuming any NAM commenter is trying to force some petty racial tit-for-tat, and believes that he or she is just absolutely incapable of detached, academic observation.

Dat' simply be so dang rayciss! (lol!)

Q said...

Instead of trying to get blacks to vote for Republicans, it would be easier to close the borders and pick up a minority of the Hispanic vote and add that to the white vote to get a majority for the Republicans.



You must have missed my earlier comment explaining why this "white majority" scheme cannot work. Whites are a majority of children in the US.

And I don't know why you imagine that "picking up a minority of the Hispanic vote" will help. We already get a minority of the Hispanic vote - and we got President Obama as a result.

Perhaps you meant to say "a majority of the Hispanic vote"? But in that case you'll still have to buy it, just as you'll have to buy the majority of the black vote. It's not going to be any cheaper to buy Hispanics than to buy blacks.

Q said...

Having higher IQs and being less corrupted by the welfare state than blacks ..


You're living in a fantasy world with respect to Hispanics.

nikcrit said...

Now for something many of you will think is really naive:
I've long said that the only way out of the immigration-policy mess is for both the major parties to develop middle-class Hispanic anti-amnesty constituencies.
As someone earlier in this thread pointed out, many-upon-many Hispanics, of both middle adn lower-middle-class levels, have a strong interest in seeing immigration curtailed, as they're now somewhat established enough economically to feel the downward pull of all that incoming desperate and cheaply purchased labor.
And only if such constituents arise from both parties could this be effective, otherwise, the other party will merely use p.c. tactics to stymie the other, as has been proven repeatedly in recent years.
These new constituents, of each party, could demand future politico to have strong, specific and highly conditional positions on amnesty and future immigration policy ----- and they have to be newly elected because politicos of either party with already established party support are already by dint of that fact compromised on the issue.
So, from there, these new anti-amnesty and pro-immigration-restrictionist constituents of both parties can then label themselves and start to develop those aforementioned anti-amnesty politicos from the ground up, sort of like how the Tea Party made noise for itself and then began generating politicians in their mold who were basically Republican but were held to very specific standards re. positions on certain issues and were often at-odds with other Republican politicians' views.
I know that's calling for a lot, all of which would have to achieve as much while facing the focused opposition of international agriculture and other multinationals vested in 21st-century sharecropper-hood ----- but hey, it's a thought and it IS based upon a similar political movement whose power is evident if not absolute and was at least as mch a media movement than a literal congressional force (Tea Party).

Mark said...

"Perhaps you meant to say "a majority of the Hispanic vote"? But in that case you'll still have to buy it, just as you'll have to buy the majority of the black vote. It's not going to be any cheaper to buy Hispanics than to buy blacks."


The Republicans can't play that game of buying either black or Hispanic voters with welfare goodies because the Democrats, being the natural party of big government, can always offer them more. There are two classes of people in this country, the tax payer and the tax consumer, and the Democrats have a lock on the tax consumer vote. The Republicans can only realistically pick up people who pay more in taxes than they get in government services. That would be the white middle class and the smaller Hispanic middle class made up of small business owners. The Republicans can get a few black middle class voters too, but not the ones whose income is coming from government jobs and that's most of them. I think this is enough for a Republican majority. If it's not and the parasites outnumber the productive and can outvote them, then we have no future as a country. I think that may actually be the case but I hope not.

Q said...

The Republicans can't play that game of buying either black or Hispanic voters with welfare goodies because the Democrats, being the natural party of big government, can always offer them more.


Obviously, they can't "always" offer them more. So saying this over and over does not make it any more persuasive.


There are two classes of people in this country, the tax payer and the tax consumer, and the Democrats have a lock on the tax consumer vote.



They do not. Retired people (who tend to be white people) tend to vote Republican. The GOP already has "tax consumers" on its side.


I think this is enough for a Republican majority.


Today, it might be enough for a majority. Tomorrow, it will not be. Your thinking is completely static, it assume that the countries demographics can be frozen in place where they are right now.

Q said...

The Republicans can only realistically pick up people who pay more in taxes than they get in government services.


The wealthiest people in the country are predominately Democrats. The GOP will have a lot of trouble picking them up though.

Peter A said...

@QBack when the Democratic party in the South was the party of segregation and anti-black discrimination, blacks in the North voted for the Democrats!

Not true. 32% of blacks voted for Nixon in 1960, 39% for Eisenhower in 1956. The real numbers of potential black Republicans at the time were probably even higher because the corrupt Democratic machines in Northern cities, and Jim Crow laws in the South made sure Blacks voted Democrat even if they didn't want to. Famous athletes like Jackie Robinson were Republicans. Goldwater drove the blacks away and LBJ "bought" them for the Democrats with social policies.

Columnist said...

Do not forget the Laffer Curve. Republicans CAN offer more goodies.

Mark said...

"The wealthiest people in the country are predominately Democrats. The GOP will have a lot of trouble picking them up though."

I think you may incorrectly be equating the wealthiest people with people who pay more in taxes than they receive in government benefits. The two groups overlap but are not identical. For example, the three wealthiest counties in the nation are outside Washington D.C. The people who live there are government employees, contractors, lobbyists and other people who feed off the government. Yes, these types of rich people vote Democrat. You think that blacks, the group that offers the most overwhelming support of Democrats of any group in every election, over 90% support, is the best place to go looking for Republican swing votes. I think we need to look at actual past elections and see who the actual swing voters are and get them in the Republican column.

Svigor said...

Nah, just realizing that it means nothing if Jang Q Citizen hangs a JayZ poster on his wall. No matter how much bitter NAMS might want to think otherwise - lol.

Yeah, it is an odd assertion. If we want to measure Yellows' worship of other races by how much of their culture they adopt:

Whites: 99%
Blacks: .5%

You don't see me claiming they love White folks based on their using the light bulb. Hell, you could say they're aping Whites with the Kobe poster.

Svigor said...

I maintained that both racial antipathy and cultural amalgamation can coincide and, in fact usually occur simultaneously.

Oh, I missed that too. I guess we all agree then. :)

Q said...

the three wealthiest counties in the nation are outside Washington D.C. The people who live there are government employees, contractors, lobbyists and other people who feed off the government.


You are mistaken. Search for "wealthiest zip codes". The highest ranking DC spot is Great Falls, Virginia at #12.


government employees, contractors, lobbyists and other people who feed off the government. Yes, these types of rich people vote Democrat.


No, really really rich people vote Democratic. Multimillionaires and billionaires, people like Warren Buffet and George Soros and Jeffrey Immelt. Capitalists and bankers and captains of industry. People who are net tax payers, not tax consumers. The so-called "1%".

Q said...

"Back when the Democratic party in the South was the party of segregation and anti-black discrimination, blacks in the North voted for the Democrats"


Not true. 32% of blacks voted for Nixon in 1960, 39% for Eisenhower in 1956.



Umm, do you realize that you just said that sixty-something percent of blacks voted Democratic in the years in question? In other words, after saying "not true", you went and cited numbers which illustrated that what I said was true.

Back when the Democratic party in the South was the party of segregation and anti-black discrimination, blacks in the North voted for the Democrats. Your own data says so.

Q said...

I think you may incorrectly be equating the wealthiest people with people who pay more in taxes than they receive in government benefits.



I think you are confused about the socio-economic composition of the two parties. It is not the case that the Democrats are the party of tax consumers and the Republicans the party of tax payers, as you claim.

The Democrats draw their support from the wealthiest and the poor, while the GOP draws its support from the white middle class.

AnalogMan said...

Q said...
Some commenters on this site (they usually go by "Anonymous") cross the line from being "race realists" to being full-blown racist dickheads.


Oh, my! Aren't we morally superior! And we got the "racist" stick, too. And personal insults. Check, check, check.

Admit it - you're a Democrat, aren't you?

ericcs said...

re 'Nikrit'..
You mistakenly conflate a musical genre (hip-hop or similar) with acceptance of blacks. I live in Southeast Asia, and ALL musical styles are experimented with here, because many are seen as just an extension of being "modern" or "Western", and are certainly NOT viewed as an expression of blackness per se.

I daily encounter personal and societal examples of what this culture thinks of black people, and it is not a pretty picture for blacks. There is certainly no love of blacks here, nor will there ever be, since even the language is permeated with various epithets about blacks and things black, which reflects the attitudes of the entire culture itself.

Also, since Chinese culture has affected this and other local Asian cultures for centuries, I can also tell you about Chinese ideas about black people, and they also are enormously critical to say the least. Note that Chinese culture is historically the most chauvinist culture on the planet. You can be assured that blacks will NEVER be accepted as fully human by Chinese.

Here in Asia, there is no PC, cultures are traditional, and Reality is Racist. While there is a cultural veneer of societal politeness, there is also the underlying fact that nobody cares about your piddling little hurt feelings... they are your responsibility, and too bad if you can't adjust. Blacks are viewed as subhuman, to be tolerated in small individual numbers at best.

No doubt Nikrit is engaged in projection and/or wishful thinking, and is also probably a NAM. Sorry, bud, your 'pop culture' rationalizations constitute nothing more than sheer intellectual laziness as well as total ignorance of the reality of Asian cultures.

Camlost said...

You mistakenly conflate a musical genre (hip-hop or similar) with acceptance of blacks. I live in Southeast Asia, and ALL musical styles are experimented with here, because many are seen as just an extension of being "modern" or "Western", and are certainly NOT viewed as an expression of blackness per se.

Another factor is that American black movie and TV stars generally have zero popularity outside the US. Hollywood pushes them endlessly but the international world is not buying.

Will Smith is a top 5 action movie draw in the US, but he's not even amongst the top 20 US-based performers internationally, when it comes to box office sales. Movies with black lead characters tend to underperform outside the US, in proportion to the number of black stars you put in the movie.

Mark said...

"No, really really rich people vote Democratic. Multimillionaires and billionaires, people like Warren Buffet and George Soros and Jeffrey Immelt. Capitalists and bankers and captains of industry. People who are net tax payers, not tax consumers. The so-called "1%"."


No, a 2011 Gallup poll found that Republicans outnumber Democrats among the top 1%. 33% self-identified as Republicans versus 26% Democrats. 41% are independents. Gallup also asked their ideology and almost twice as many, 39%, said they were conservative than were liberal, at 20%. By the way, you suggested I look up wealthiest zip codes. The one I found from the IRS had zip 06830 Greenwich, CT as the wealthiest. I then looked up voter registration information and there are a lot more registered Republicans among the rich people in Greenwich than Democrats. Productive people don't want to vote for a Democrat party that transfers their wealth to the nonproductive. Keeping blacks dependent on the government by giving them welfare, or even increasing it as you suggest, is not good for blacks. It's also unfair to whites to have their money taken away from them and given to blacks. Republicans should not offer blacks more welfare to buy their votes.

Camlost said...

No, a 2011 Gallup poll found that Republicans outnumber Democrats among the top 1%. 33% self-identified as Republicans versus 26% Democrats. 41% are independents. Gallup also asked their ideology and almost twice as many, 39%, said they were conservative than were liberal, at 20%.

The Democratic party doesn't dominate the ranks of the mega-rich ($10 million+) as much as some people think.

However, the most politically vocal amongst the mega-rich are normally liberals, because it either helps their business, gives "cool points" or raises their public profile.

nikcrit said...

Ericcs says,
"re 'Nikrit'..
You mistakenly conflate a musical genre (hip-hop or similar) with acceptance of blacks."


I keep being misinterpreted; I made exactly the same point: that hip-hop could be popular, and that there could be hip-hop and reggae trends among Asian youth at the same time there could exist a general, overall antipathy toward Africans in that same Asian culture.

If some of you remember, my initial comment was in response to Whiskey's claim that, since 'Red Tails,' didn't do too well here, he posited it unlikely it would do well in Asia, from there speculating that Asians don't like blacks, therefore black pop culture would be a dud there too. I, thinking about stories I wrote years ago, recalled rap and R&B acts that were incredibly successful touring in various Asian countries, pointed that fact out and then reiterated some of the racial ironies that go with that fact.
I'm making a point that's based on factual information: record sales, ticket sales, box-office gates; I have no problem believing that both Africans and African-Americans have a lower social caste in certain Asian countries.
Though I guess the part where we do have a possible difference is that I say there exists a strong youth-culture intrigue with hip-hop and reggae among Asian youth that somewhat flies in the face of the overall antipathy toward blacks writ large; still, is that any less true stateside? I mean, many here at this very pro-white site lament the fact that there exists 'wiggers' and a even more broad yet subtle 'mainstreaming' of black culture into the American fabric, yet here too there exists evidence of antipathy towards blacks.
Note: to all those who say I'm 'dreaming' or 'projecting.'
I've never been to a Asian country (though I'd like to); I don't have a ounce of personal feeling invested in these thoughts; i HAVE, however, noted certain pop-muisc trends,markets and figures re. American pop acts, black adn white, and how they've fared in Asian markets.
It's very easy for me to believe that Asian kids can be wiggers and/or could be sporting dreadlocks, just as y ou see such white kids on any college campus here, yet at the same time there could also exist a wide and deep antipathy toward blacks overall.
Why is that hard to understand?

nikcrit said...

Correction:

RE: I've never been to a Asian country

I have been to India, a week-long trip; for some personally incorrect and idiosyncratic reason, it's hard for me to reflexively classify east-Indians as 'Asian.' for whatever reason, I tend to classify them as a ethnic and racial entity of its own.

PA said...

Nickrit, how about there not being a contradiction in what's being talked about re. Asians?

Some Asians, of a particular age and social clique, like hip hop because it's different /foreign /interesting / rebellious / pisses off the parents, and they're going through a teenage phase that they'll grow out of, while Asians as a whole have unfavorable views of blacks.

Mason_Arrow said...

Ah, I found what I was looking for.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=135_1314585645

-Urban American goes to foreign country and engages in typical "vibrant" behavior while using public transit (whooping it up on the phone).

-Elderly man politely asks Urban American to be quiet.

-Urban American, who has failed to learn the local language, mistakes Korean phrase "ni ga" (personal pronoun "you") for the Word That Shall Not Be Named.

-Hilarity Ensues.

The key to making Asians like Urban Americans is beating on old people, apparently. I might add that this fellow was apparently an English tutor. Fascinating, the way their best minds act.

-Nine-of-Diamonds/Mason_Arrow

John D said...

Blacks cannot compete in any multiracial society, no matter who the other race is, let alone a society with a lot of Whites and Asians.

Given that they cannot compete, they will always vote for whoever will give them the most freebies (buying their votes). That'll always be the Democrats. No way, no how, do blacks vote for anyone other than who gives them the most freebies. That's fantasy.

An aside, I think blacks desire to see whites removed of any power outweighs their dislike of hispanics. Typically short-sighted, because once hispanics are in control (a seeming inevitability given demographic trends), blacks will fare far, far worse under them than they have under whites. I do believe hispanics will be far less tolerant of abysmal black behavior than whites have been (the ONLY plus to the Latin invasion). And as to us becoming a third world country, somebody mentioned Haiti and I forget the other (black) place. It won't be quite that bad, though bad it'll be compared to a white society. It will be like some hybrid of Mexico and Brazil, only with relatively fewer blacks and more remaining whites (compared to Brazil). Thank god we don't have a land border with Africa (imagine 20 million illegal blacks instead of Mexicans), so I don't see the relative percentage of blacks rising much.

Revolting situation however you slice it.