Sunday, January 29, 2012

Are Liberals Insane or Just Insanely Consistent?

I actually know someone who takes part in the Voluntary Human Extinction movement. She refuses to have children because she believes people pose the primary danger to the Earth/Gaia. I'm not making this up - she is married, over thirty years-old, and absolutely will not bear children.

A "leading bioethicist" at UK's University of East Anglia has published an article condemning pregnancy as "barbaric" and an "illness...comparable to measles":
Pregnancy and childbirth are so painful, risky and socially restrictive for women that public funding should urgently be directed to the development of artificial wombs. This is the only way to achieve true equality between men and women for then neither women nor men would then be limited by having children and the burdens of reproducing the species would be shared equally.

Changes to financial and social structures may improve things marginally, but a better solution needs to be found. Either we view women as baby carriers who must subjugate their other interests to the well-being of their children or we acknowledge that our social values and level of medical expertise are no longer compatible with “natural” reproduction.
I think we need to seriously start considering if liberals fit a reasonable definition of insane - and by "insane" I mean eating-one's-own-feces-insane. Note that this "leading bioethicist" works at a large university and while the university may not explicitly countenance her positions, they do employ her. And by funding an essentially insane woman who reads Brave New World as a utopic story, academia illustrates just how much they will tolerate leftist insanity.

But leftism is not merely insane, they are almost genocidal. While most regard social, philosophical, and political movements as a means of improving human life, leftists abide by principles as the be all end all. Of course I won't begrudge this too much, as a consistent set of principles does well to motivate action and settle disputes. But when principles become the only factor in defining morality, we get ideas like "pregnancy hurts women." From an entirely leftist frame, Dr. "Artificial gestation" is actually logical; liberals view nature as wholly subordinate to cultural directives, including the imposition of abject gender equality. So, from the leftist perspective, it only makes sense that we rectify such a gross inequity in which women must bear the burden of reproduction.

Back to liberal insanity - perhaps it's unfair that I categorize someone of this particular strain of liberalism as insane. She's unique in that she differs from the Teach for America do-gooders who go on "Nice White Lady" crusades for spiritual and cultural enlightenment, Bill Gates and other billionaires who throw money down the toilet of Africa, and Paul Krugman who harbors an uncontrollable rage against any moderately right-leaning individual. She begins with a reasonable philosophical premise of gender equality, but then brings it to a conclusion that makes any sane individual's head spin. Same with my acquaintance who resolves to never have children as a sacrifice for Gaia. Sure, if we accept global warming as fact and the Earth as a valuable entity, then maybe some of us should not have children. But besides an insanely dedicated leftist, who could actually come to these kinds of final conclusions?

In a way, I agree with the arguments, at least if one accepts the context of liberal values. But ultimately we uphold principle because we value people, an idea that must motivate some sort of nuance in following one's principles. The insane and blind liberal does not understand this. The pillars of liberal philosophy, "tolerance", "equality", take precedence over absolutely all else, including even human life.

58 comments:

Heisenberg said...

Artificial wombs would render women completely and utterly redundant for anything other than sex.

The one thing that makes their intolerable nature useful to society is their childbearing function (which they barely perform as is these days)and this is not something they should start to give up.

But this is hardly surprising from the people who think a man will love them for their achievements.

Reactionary_Konkvistador said...

@Heisenberg: If you have artificial uterus's do you really think sex bots will be that far behind?

Lets for a second do a thought experiment of a all male and an all female planet with that technology available ... hmmm.

PA said...

Leftism is genocidal. Moldbug wrote several times that a future environmentalist-driven genocide isn't beyond the scope of possibility.

Another thing about leftism is that it acts as a filtering mechanism that separates the so-so smart from the very smart via something Auster calls the Unprincipled Exception.

You're supposed to preach, not practice. Dummies who preach and practice, Darwin themselves by falling for leftism's pretty lies by actually trusting people of other races, refusing to reproduce, pedestalizing women, etc.

Anonymous said...

My philosophy is:
Unless someone is confined to an institution, or a judge has ruled them incompetent, they're never insane. We're not Soviets here in the alt-right.

Our enemies may be stupid, misguided, or evil. With a spot at the University of East Anglia, I doubt Ms. Smajdor is stupid. She's also had plenty of chances to correct herself, had she been misguided.

Sometimes I think scientific solutions can exacerbate problems. In some ways, scientific treatment has actually increased suffering.

She knows exactly what she is doing.

Olave d'Estienne said...

I'm the last anonymous. I do recommend you listen to Smajdor's speech on the link I gave.

Van said...

Yes, modern liberals are completely and totally insane. Liberalism leads to the destruction of complex societies that provide the highest standard of living man has ever seen. This is quite clear to any thinking person, yet liberals also refer to themselves as "progressives" to signify their belief that they are improving the conditions of mankind. This is the first of many contradictions one must maintain to be a liberal.

For example, environmental destruction is bad. Third world people are morally superior because they don't cause the environmental destruction that whites cause. However, white nations must open their borders to third worlders so that they can enjoy the high standard of living in white nations, which will of course increase the level of environmental destruction.

JMSmith said...

I've known voluntarily sterile Gaiaites, and have heard their sanctimonious blather. Their dirty secret is that their environmental "footprint" is considerably larger than that of a man or woman with the same income living in a traditional family. Your environmental "footprint" is a function of your income. If we represent income as 1, a Gaiaite, living alone or with employed spouse, has an environmental "footprint" of 1. A traditionalist with three children and a wife who stays home to raise them has an environmental "footprint" of 0.2. The Gaiaist never seems to notice that the Dad next door doesn't have three mountain bikes and he doesn't vacation in a tree house in Costa Rica. Gaiaism provides an excuse to spend all one's income on one's self.

I wonder if the bioethicist is acquainted with the results of Rumanian orphanages, the closest thing to a human hatchery so far. You're right, she's insane.

Joe Schmoe said...

Heisenberg-

You could not be more wrong about that. Women really are better at child-rearing than men are. Women are more patient. More nurturing. More drawn to children. Feminists refuse to admit the truth about #'s and 2, and women themselves pretend that #3 isn't true, but they are true nonetheless.

The reason why you never see guys teaching preschool or working as nannies is because it is far more difficult for guys to put up with crying, fussy babies and the antics of toddlers, which alternate between inane blather, pointless hysterics, and the occasional heart-warming smile.

As kids they get older, they become easier for men to tolerate in large numbers. Gay and asexual men can teach grades 1-4. Straight men are only really capable of teaching fifth graders and above.

I volunteer with the Cub Scouts, and the occasional meeting is all that I can tolerate. We had a meeting yesterday and I was literally shaking with fatigue at the end of it, after I got home I lay on the couch, exhausted, for the rest of the day. I have two young boys of my own, but a huge group of them was simply more than I could take and it wiped me out. They run around so much, you are so worried that one of them will be hurt, and above all you are so concerned that they will get bored and won't like the program that it simply drains you of energy.

But my youngest has a first grade teacher who is like 24 or 25 years old. She works alone in a room with 19 of those kids for 7 hours per day. There is no way I could do that -- no way. It's because she's a woman and I'm a man.

The opposite side of this is that women really aren't suited for the kind of competitive workplace that men create. I'm a lawyer, a litigator, and probably 98% of us are men. 50% of law school graduates have been women for the past 15 years or so, and lots of women start out as litigation associates, but they all seem to leave the profession or find other kinds of law to practice. This could, of course, be due to rampant and invidious sexism, but IMO most women just don't like the confrontational environment, the stress, and winner-take-all outcomes.

Men and women really do have different genetic gifts. As always, there are exceptional people of both genders -- I know some female trial lawyers who are just as competitive and confrontational as men, and I'm sure there's a male preschool teacher out there with infinite patience who is oblivious to screaming and crying, although I have never encountered such a man. But as always, the exception does not refute the rule.

Women are better at child-rearing. The idea of an artificial womb is hideous. You are depriving the child of the mother that is meant to nurture it. This proposal really is insane.

Anonymous said...

Not "almost genocidal". Genocidal.

Gil said...

If a some woman wants to be childless then what's wrong with that? It's not as if she'll leave descendants behind.

On the other hand, what's not genocidal about religious rightists who insist on incessant baby-making in the hope that their descendants will become the majority? After all, what will do when they bump into a similar and they're both competing for the same resources? War!

sykes.1 said...

I would like to know the political tendencies of women who abortions. If, as I suspect, that it is leftist of some sort, then that would go a long way to justifying abortion on demand.

Alpha said...

So, from the leftist perspective, it only makes sense that we rectify such a gross inequity in which women must bear the burden of reproduction.

Back to liberal insanity


I wasn't aware you had strayed. Why does the left fight for equality?

Don't they realize that the sexes can never be equal?

We're two different genders, built - if you will - for different purposes. Equality isn't an option.

PA said...

"Rumanian orphanages, the closest thing to a human hatchery so far"

American welfare for blacks and western Euro-style welfare for immigrants is a much bigger, and much more effective human hatchery program.

It's useful to see parallels between leftism then and now as follows: whatever Eastern European communists did in a crude and heavy-handed manner, Western elites do with subtlety and effective PR.

Justin said...

Liberalism is the substitution of wishful thinking for reality. So, yes, in a way, it is insanity, in the sense of not-living-in-reality.

Conquistador said...

I actually read through the Voluntary Extinction Movement's wiki and they seemed more reasonable than I expected. The middle and upper classes are already adapting to resource scarcity by having few if any children (astronomical child expenses, fewer and fewer job prospects, a "knowledge" economy, etc) 1-2 children per couple worldwide is the ideal future carrying capacity the planet can sustain. The 3rd world is the main problem. Few if any environmental standards, population well beyond capacity, apathy towards endangered species, widespread destruction of natural ecosystems, etc. As HBDers you guys need to realize it's pretty much only whites who care at all about the environment. There is a case to be made against mass immigration purely on environmental grounds.

Gilbert Ratchet said...

"Pregnancy and childbirth are so painful, risky and socially restrictive for women that public funding should urgently be directed to the development of artificial wombs."

I believe that Aldous Huxley wrote a novel in the 1930s that took this sentiment as its main theme. Thus Calvin Stopes and his Sixteen Sexophonists:

"Bottle of mine, it's you I've always wanted!
Bottle of mine, why was I ever decanted?
Skies are blue inside of you,
The weather's always fine;
For there ain't no Bottle in all the world
Like that dear little Bottle of mine. "

Kaz said...

@Joe Schmoe

Then why do single fathers, on nearly every metric, do better than single mothers, adjusting for socioeconomic status of course.

Anonymous said...

"the Earth as a valuable entity,"

valuable to whom, and for what purpose?


"After all, what will do when they bump into a similar and they're both competing for the same resources? War!"

Yeah, that is right. That is how Europeans ended up at the top of the human heap.

Anonymous said...

"Then why do single fathers, on nearly every metric, do better than single mothers, adjusting for socioeconomic status of course."


They give kids what they need instead of what they want. FWIW, there seems to be a hierarchy for outcomes.

Best is mother and father, then father only, last is mother only coming in just ahead of orphanage.

Julian Felsenburgh said...

Do you consider the idea of "gender equality" to be a "reasonable philosophical premise"?

Anonymous said...

"The 3rd world is the main problem."

We made it the problem by shoveling food and vaccines to them. We should have sent birth control instead.

Doug1 said...

The root problem with leftists is their belief in the primary imperative of socially engineering complete equality.

I don’t even believe that is desirable, not to mention it’s unattainable.

The simplest thing to do is simply utterly reject equality of outcome as something you agree with. That tends to either leave leftists speechless, or reduced to sputtering attempting shaming names such as “sexist”, “racist” etc. Answer that with, if you mean by that that I think there are basic, wired and not just socially constructed significant differences between the sexes and between races, then yes, of course I believe that.

nikcrit said...

"Answer that with, if you mean by that that I think there are basic, wired and not just socially constructed significant differences between the sexes and between races, then yes, of course I believe that."

I would humbly suggest adding to that a qualifier pointing out the 'not-each-and-every-but-in-the-aggregate' factor; e.g., "there exist West African geniuses and Ashkenazi retards, but in terms of averages, etc.'
Doing such can come of rather cras i admit, but i believe a lot of the leftist indignation comes from the hint of absolutism and essentialism in racial-realistic belief. And that truth plays out in peoples' lives quite differently too. I mean, I can imagine certain white people who live solely among whites believing that's a rather petty abstraction to feel obliged to have to point out ----- and for their practical lives, it likely is.
But someone like myself spends a big part of his life interacting with racial outliers, and such a qualification comes across as respectfully mindful consideration. and due consideration at that. I mean, intelligent "NAMs' and underperforming white children are simply not rare characters and personas in my day-to-day life.
I think sometimes it's relatively minor details like this that create a lot of the misinterpretation and wrath.
Also, though perhaps another topic, I've found that it's blue-collar black kids and their families, who while often not that cognitively blessed but are functional and basically healthy in terms of their family structure, are the social subset of my day-to-day that seem least concerned about issues of 'parity' in temrms of subjects we often discuss. 'Parity' among the races is often a political objective simply extracted and presumed from the black working class.

OneSTDV said...

Do you consider the idea of "gender equality" to be a "reasonable philosophical premise"?

In the sense that women and men have equal moral value, not that they have equal responsibilities in life.

You could not be more wrong about that. Women really are better at child-rearing than men are. Women are more patient. More nurturing. More drawn to children.

Excellent comment. I love how some Manosphere commenters argue that men make better parents, which couldn't be more wrong. Of course they also argue that men should avoid parenthood and marriage!

Imp said...

Human hatchery... reminds me of the Forever War. If you haven't read it, you should. It's scary how society seems to be moving in the direction portrayed in the novel.

It could be the ideal leftist future: homosexuality is the norm, humans are hatched as needed, the government rations everything.

PA said...

Women (mothers) are absolutely indispensable for toddlers and babies. It's not just their temperament and nurturing skills -- its something a lot deeper, at the epicenter of a small child's existence.

When you see a one-year-old take a spill or get scared of something, it's the mother he wants. This is at a small child's primal, reptilian brain.

It's said that when soldiers are gruesomely wounded in combat or, fo example getting decapitated by terrorists, they cry "mama" like a baby.

PA said...

That dumb cunt who wants artificial womb to be invented better hope they come with a youth-serum on the side.

Women's esteem and value lies in their ability to make children and then being a grandmother. What leverage does that idiot think women will have over men once they age and incubation can be done by a machine?

Artificial wombs is usually a half-fag MRA wish-list item.

nikcrit said...

"As kids they get older, they become easier for men to tolerate in large numbers. Gay and asexual men can teach grades 1-4. Straight men are only really capable of teaching fifth graders and above."

Ha! I pretty much agree with this as doctrine. As part of my administrative training as a implementer, I spent a semester teaching in various classrooms for up to two weeks at a time; a couple of those intervals had me in K-5 and a few early primary classes ----- and it drove me absolutely crazy! One thing that happens to early-education teachers: all that gah-gah, goo-goo-type chatter they find themselves exchanging with the kiddies winds up infecting their discourse among adults. Go to a primary school faculty lunchroom and you'll see bunches of 30-something women conversing with phrases and anecdotes such as 'And I told Jennifer, 'No, we will not touch other peoples' desks, that is a no-no,' etc. --- in other words: before they even know it, these teachers are conversing with their peers as if they're 1st-graders! Only women can tolerate that environment for any length of time. And it's true, among the few men I know in my district who teach K-5 or early primary grades, I'd guess most were gay. I don't know how I feel about that as policy, but I'm comfortable with the strong hunch I have that kindergartens and early primary-grade teaching should be the provenance of female educators.

OneSTDV said...

@ PA:

Artificial wombs is usually a half-fag MRA wish-list item.

Yea along with sexbots. Seriously - sexbots!!

[Happy to see someone else noting the half-fag MRA's.]

department 11 said...

50% of law school graduates have been women for the past 15 years or so

@Schmoe: Is it possible you actually underestimate how long this has been true? For example my first year class (top 13) in 1980 was 49% female. Given AA policies, undergraduate trends, and easy loans, seems that 50% figure would have become generalized by 1990 if not before. By the way, did you ever notice how even among litigators, few women represent plaintiffs, or more specifically, how they tend to concentrate in employment defense? Norman Mailer used to say women love the corporate workplace, "the thick carpets, the drapes, the meetings."

Thordaddy said...

Once you accept that radical liberalism, leftism, progressivism is the political manifestation of the homosexual nature and "feminism" is the exact same thing specifically geared towards the devout dyke then all of these self-annihilating tendencies make sense.

What you see in the MRA, HBD and alt-right are just LIBERAL WHITE MALES recognizing that their "white maleness" is a liability far greater than their liberal "assets." You see that radical liberalism has regressed so far that it actually expects the liberal white male to be a deracinated de facto homo.

PA said...

Thordaddy, was Lenin's revolution homosexual in any way?

I prefer to thik of Leftism as essentially a desire for power throgh bypassing established means of rising in status.

A common motif to Leftism is liberationanist rhetoric aiming to enlist the lowest classes as an ally and ultimately a paramilitary force against the middle and upper class.

But Liberationism (of peasants/workers, blacks, women, homosexuals) is not axiomatically essential to Leftism. It's a tool of convenience.

Snippet said...

Don't want an abortion? Don't have one.

--Bumper Sticker

Don't want kids? Don't have one.

--Bumper Sticker I'd like to see.

Ian said...

TAlso - seems to me that liberals believe that Marx, Freud, Darwin, and Nietzsche managed to kill off God back in the nineteenth century. But, since then, they keep on looking for attributes in this temporal existence that can only be found in the Transcendent - attributes like ultimate meaning and perfection.

Equality is a prime example of an attribute we can and will only ever have in the eyes of the Divine, an "equality of soul", and that can never ultimately be found among humans in time and space. But liberals, since they generally deny the Transcendent, do their best to try to coerce this imperfect world into an equality that resembles the transcendent Divine template.

(Reverend) MLK said something about every mountain being laid low and every valley exalted, and the common lefty bumper sticker slogan says, "My business is to comfort the afflicted, and afflict the comfortable." These ideas epitomize religious liberals' idea of morality, which, as you know, consisting of promoting anything that they believe will benefit members of so-called "oppressed" groups (blacks and browns, women, the poor, homosexuals, non-Christians, the disabled, the uninsured, the homeless, etc), and for anything that will be relatively disadvantageous to members of so called "privileged" group categories (whites, men, the affluent, heterosexuals, Christians, the able bodied, the insured, the housed, etc). Their end goal, I guess, is some sort of impossible ever-elusive goal of political, economic, social, and, I guess, biological equality for all.

As you've written about, OneSTDV, Liberalism/Equalitarianism has grown to be a religion that a significant number of modern Westerners subscribe to. And fundamentalist jihadi Equalitarians, like any fundamentalists, are a strange bunch. They find the moral compass of Holy Equality more compelling than laws, economic health, traditions, the Constitution, kindness and respect, justice, the survival of civilization, biology, or anything else.

Many of them forgive Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot (because "their hearts were in the right place"). Many of them think that the Bush administration had to have been behind 9/11, and is certainly to be blamed for our continuing economic problems (because only straight white Christian males are capable of doing horrible things; members of groups that "need to be uplifted" are categorically unable to do so). They see history only through the eyes of their religion (ie the US Civil War was about freeing the slaves, and WW2 was about ending the Holocaust). Some of them see the "test scores gap" as the most compelling national problem, worthy of a nationwide "Marshall Plan"/"Manhattan Project"-style effort to redress. etc etc.

Ian said...

[was supposed to post first ...]

The bummer for me about Voluntary Human Extinction types is that they are often relatively intelligent, thoughtful, diligent, creative, and caring - seems to me that their genetic material can be useful for humanities future.

Similar to what Conquistador said, if the VHE types really wanted to work towards a better future for humanity and for the planet, I would say that they would do that best by having three children themselves, and then going to Africa or to a Muslim country, and somehow convince people there (whose genetic capacity is more towards the unintelligent, violent, impulsive, lacking innovation, solely present-time orientation, etc. side of human nature, and who are averaging four, five, six children per women, and who, as a group, are polluting more per capita with each passing year) to go childless.

Thordaddy said...

PA,

Ultimately, the desire is for a "default" elite. The mechanism utilized to create this "default elite" is the explicit and implicit "right" to self-annihilate. So in essence, you have an "elite" that really did nothing to get to its elite status EXCEPT convince the masses to self-annihilate. The SIMPLEST AND CLEANEST manner in which the masses will willingly self-annihilate is with the embrace of total pleasure and the complete rejection of pain. Ergo, the "default" elite teach, preach and exalt SELF-Sexualizing, i.e., homosexuality. Sex with the SAME. Sex in the mirror. Sex with the SELF. The addiction to the "jerk."

This is what is going on HERE AND NOW in America.

I would have to look into Lenin's Revolution for clues to whether he used the pretext of homosexuality to weaken the masses. I just can't say.

Sean_MacCloud said...

"In the sense that women and men have equal moral value, not that they have equal responsibilities in life."

What does equal "moral value" mean EXACTLY?

Whiskey said...

These people are just against ordinary White people having kids. They are not for say, sterilizing Africans, or Pakistanis, or Indians, or Chinese, or Latin Americans. Just "the wrong sort of White people."

And that woman you know -- she'd be delighted to have ten kids with George Clooney. Or Brad Pitt. Rejection of fertility is just another aspect of rejecting guys who are not sexy enough. [Meanwhile Lesbians often have IVF to have kids without men present.] A lot of it is frustrated White women in laughable jobs without real responsibility or authority, reacting emotionally to the lack of sexy hot men in their life.

Whiskey said...

I also find the idea of artificial wombs and sexbots a horror. The problem is the broken connection between Joe and Jane Average. The solution is not to make it worse. But to restore it.

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Joe Schmoe said...

Department 11 -

Great point. I graduated in 1996, and the law school I attended made a big point out of touting the fact that women made up 50% of the 1L class. This was at a law school known for its liberalism (NYU), and a woman I knew who sat on the admissions committee as student representatives admitted to me that they were only able to achieve the 50/50 gender ratio with a great deal of affirmative action, I figured that the percentage must have been slightly lower at other schools. But that's just an assumption and it may well be incorrect. Maybe the ratio has been 50/50 for much longer.

LOL it is true about employment discrimination lawyers being women. That seems to be a niche that they have found.

One of my opposing counsel on a big case is a junior partner at a big international firm. All she does is supervise document productions. She doesn't even handle discovery motions - when the time comes to actually litigate a discovery issue, someone else writes the papers and handles the court appearance! One of my law school classmates does exactly the same thing -- she is a junior partner at a top tier firm, and the firm web site lists her as an "e-discovery" expert. I am pretty sure (well, absolutely sure) that this is a form of affirmative action that the big firms have come up with; it permits them to say that they have a certain percentage of female "partners" even though they really don't. Obviously no male associate would ever be able to make partner based on his skill "e-discovery" expert, since there is no actual skill involved. This is one of those forms of affirmative action that isn't apparent to outside observers. You and I, as litigators, can see it, but others can't.

Dan said...

One of the most criminal examples of leftism run amok is 'sex change' operations on children. I put 'sex change' in quotes because you aren't actually changing genders; you are destroying the reproductive apparatus of one gender but not replacing it with working reproductive apparatus of the other gender.

Really!

Permanent sterilization of young children.

In America now.

We are a sick country presently in a dark ages.

Anonymous said...

"reacting emotionally to the lack of sexy hot men in their life."


reacting emotionally to a sea of groveling men

I mean really, the guys shouldn't give them the time of day.

EYE OF HORUS said...

All Liberals are by definition Insane! None of them accept Reality and most live in Absurd Maladaptive Fantasy Worlds that will inevitably end badly!
All the Progressives in the World cannot change Human Nature! People prefer to be with their own Family and Race - nothing will ever change this Reality! Only the Clinically Insane would believe that they can live peaceably with Other Races or Other Ethnicities!
History is filled with examples of how peoples rise and fall according to Demographics! The Roman Empire was not conquered by outsiders, but by Demographic Changes of the citizenry from Highly Evolved Romans to Stupid Backward Barbarians!
This Crisis is a Crisis of Birthrights and Demographics! Only a return to White Supremacy will solve the Slide Towards Anarchy and Decay! Racial Purity and Hygiene are important and critical factors in reversing the Downward Dystopian Trend of the latter half of the 20th Century and the first decades of the 21st Century!
Liberals are the Enemy! They fight not just against God, but also Nature and especially Human Nature! If they merely Genocide themselves, then no matter, but their attempt to Genocide Whites is an act of War! Liberals Must Be Destroyed, and Completely Eliminated as a force of Evil in the World!

Anonymous said...

PA and Heisenberg: You are not only a couple of asses, but incredibly cruel also. You sound like two insensitive fags.

Artur said...

Guy! You're not gonna believe this. From the author - Anna Smadjor's - website :


"I am a lecturer and researcher in biomedical ethics. My research interests are focussed on the ethical implications of innovation and research in all areas of the biosciences, including: new reproductive technologies; research ethics and governance; justice and resource allocation. My doctoral research, funded by the Wellcome Trust, was on the ethics of using artificial gametes in reproduction.

In 2010 I obtained funding from the Wellcome Trust to collaborate with film-makers Tom Lloyd and Tim Fleming on the creation of a 20 minute film. 'In Vitro' tells the story of a female scientist who, frustrated by finding her research hampered by regulatory restrictions, fertilises one of her own eggs with sperm manufactured from her bone marrow. Watch online."

!!!!

crimesofthetimes.com

Artur said...

Slightly off topic, but :

Again, the whole race / IQ debate can be summed up with this :

"(15) Prognathism, the absence of “facial flatness” (Hanihara, 2000), can be measured by means of the facial angle, the slope of the face from the forehead to the jaws. Figure 9-26 is by Camper, who first used the concept. In his drawings, Camper gives the facial angle as 70° for the “Negro” (i.e., Congoids); H. habilis and H. erectus also have a facial angle of about 70°. 19 An angle of 60° has been given for the Hottentots and Bushmen, and 66.6° for the Australian aborigines below the nose. (Baker, 1974, p. 281); orangutans have a facial angle of 58°. 20 Camper regarded a facial angle of 100° as the epitome of beauty (Etcoff, 1999, pp. 42-43); s-S Africans have “remarkable prognathism.” (Hanihara, 2000). Figure 9-27.

Figure 9-27

    A protruding jaw is usually associated with a sloping forehead (Figures 9-9 & 9-26), which indicates a smaller prefrontal cortex, the area of the brain that handles planning, inhibition, and self control. 21 Thus, the absence of prognathism is seen as less bestial and an indication of higher intelligence. The owl, for example, with its perfectly vertical facial line, was the emblem of Athena, the goddess of wisdom. Other characteristics of the jaw can also be used to identify race. (Buck, 2004)."

source: erectuswalksamongst.us/Chap9.html

Sincerely,

- crimesofthetimes.com

Svigor said...

While most regard social, philosophical, and political movements as a means of improving human life, leftists abide by principles as the be all end all.

Leftist principles. Such as?

I already know about "who-whom?" There are others?

Svigor said...

Leftism is genocidal. Moldbug wrote several times that a future environmentalist-driven genocide isn't beyond the scope of possibility.

So he read a review of a Tom Clancy novel once. Big whoop.

Sorry, you know I love ya PA. He just rubs me the wrong way.

Unless someone is confined to an institution, or a judge has ruled them incompetent, they're never insane. We're not Soviets here in the alt-right.

Man makes a good point. It gets soooooo friggin old watching leftists draw water from that well constantly. Ever tried arguing about HITLER!!!, NAZISM!!!, or THE HOLOCAUST!!!

In the leftist mind, the flack of "Hitler/Nazis were crazy" excuses any stupid story they want to throw out there, no matter how far-fetched; nothing about their narrative has to make any sense - Hitler was crazy yo.

That said, the White race does, in the aggregate, seem to suffer from a genuine mental illness when it comes to racial and ethnic issues.

Liberalism is the substitution of wishful thinking for reality. So, yes, in a way, it is insanity, in the sense of not-living-in-reality.

Liberalism is not liberalism is not liberalism. The typical "liberal" is just a liberal to go along with the crowd. A conformist. If anything, people who swim against the political tides are thinking wishfully.

Then why do single fathers, on nearly every metric, do better than single mothers, adjusting for socioeconomic status of course.

Selection effect? A father has to really outshine the mother to get custody? Or more likely, a father has to really outshine the mother to want custody, since I think I read somewhere that fathers find it pretty easy to get custody when they ask for it (I suppose the judge figures if he's asking...).

We made it the problem by shoveling food and vaccines to them. We should have sent birth control instead.

Now, this argument makes sense with pets. They don't have the sense to stop eating and mating. I suppose it works for 3rd worlders too, if you accept the premise that they have no agency.

It could be the ideal leftist future: homosexuality is the norm, humans are hatched as needed, the government rations everything.

"I say we take off, and nuke the site from orbit."

You see that radical liberalism has regressed so far that it actually expects the liberal white male to be a deracinated de facto homo.

The perfect "diverse" lineup includes one white/northern European male of breeding age - a homosexual.

'In Vitro' tells the story of a female scientist who, frustrated by finding her research hampered by regulatory restrictions, fertilises one of her own eggs with sperm manufactured from her bone marrow. Watch online."

I had a roommate in college who was convinced that women are going to take over the world, eventually. He said they'd learn how to reproduce without us, and then the jig would be up. I'd actually draw the opposite conclusion; lesbians and feminists will be the thin edge of the wedge driving the necessary innovations, then the patriarchalists/polygynists will use it to their ends.

OneSTDV said...

@ Svigor:

Man makes a good point. It gets soooooo friggin old watching leftists draw water from that well constantly. Ever tried arguing about HITLER!!!, NAZISM!!!, or THE HOLOCAUST!!!

In the leftist mind, the flack of "Hitler/Nazis were crazy" excuses any stupid story they want to throw out there, no matter how far-fetched; nothing about their narrative has to make any sense - Hitler was crazy yo.


Yes or no: was Hitler evil?

Svigor said...

Yes or no: was Hitler evil?

How the hell should I know? :) If he herded 12 million people into gas chambers, then yes, he was evil. But how do I know what he really did, what with the crime scene being so contaminated it might as well have been nuked?

Some questions don't lend themselves to "yes or no" answers. E.g., why did you beat your mother so badly?

Actually, on second thought, I have to say "no." Consider that the equivalent of jury nullification; how can I reach a guilty verdict when the court has admitted investigating the scene of the crime is illegal? I have to acquit on principle.

Plus there's my whole relativism thing (I honestly am a relativist in some ways, and to a certain extent): I don't call people evil. On the rare occasion that I do, I've either lost my temper, or am being intentionally hyperbolic, ironic, etc.

Sorry if that seems too slippery for you. :| It's an interesting question, I suppose, if only because I've never given it much thought. I've never really discussed Hitler much, either.

I don't think he was crazy.

Anonymous said...

"since I think I read somewhere that fathers find it pretty easy to get custody when they ask for it "

http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/jvkau/fathers_who_actively_seek_custody_obtain_either/

Cul-De-Sac Hero said...

Thiis just goes to show that Liberals HATE HATE HATE nature. For all their granola munching and North Face jacket wearing, they think that mankind should cut itself off from it's carnal beginnings and live like machines. It's a haywire branch of the Judeo-Christian religion which started the idea that man was separate from nature.

It's an interesting way to destroy civilization. Eliminate pregnancy and produce all babies in labs. Wait until the generations of children with no mother-child connection grow without a proper set of morals or emotions and reduce civilization to dust.

We have so many other barbaric practices that should be halted - breathing air, eating food, firing synapsis to cause muscular contractions. One day, we'll look back on ourselves and be absolutely repulsed.

Huggums said...

Homeschool. The future belongs to those who show up for it. Homeschool and breed like rabbits. They will have no legacy.

OneSTDV said...

@ Svigor:

Nice weaseling.

So you're basically denying it happened, which is about as disgusting as saying he wasn't evil. (For the record: I don't think he was crazy either.)

I honestly even understand if you simply did not care. I must admit not really caring about Arabs or Africans murdered by dictators, so I understand if you feel the same way about Jews getting killed. But I would never deny that these Arabs or Africans are getting killed or deny that the person who did it, like Saddam Hussein, is an extremely evil person.

The answer you give makes it very clear that you sort of don't really think it was an evil act. It sort of maybe was, but not so much.

Columnist said...

Protect the Middle Class, Abort the Underclass.

Repeat this mantra continuously, and freak out both respectable Conservatives and Liberals alike. Are Liberals really willing to sacrifice their Free Sex in order to protect their precious Underclass?
Are Conservatives really willing to destroy themselves, the Middle Class, by letting the Underclass grow?

We will see.

Svigor said...

Nice weaseling.

Did you kill your mother for money, or hatred? Yes or no? Don't weasel out of the question, now.

So you're basically denying it happened, which is about as disgusting as saying he wasn't evil. (For the record: I don't think he was crazy either.)

No, I'm saying I can't trust THE HOLOCAUST!!! narrative. I honestly don't know - you have to become a historian to drill down and make up your own mind with any degree of certainty, IMO. And I don't want to become a historian of THE HOLOCAUST!!! I'll say this, the revisionism I've read, and the consequent thinking it inspired in me, don't inspire much confidence in the official narrative.

No, I'm not denying it happened. I'm saying I'm not convinced it went down the way it's supposed to have gone down. Same way I'm not convinced of LOTS and LOTS of things most folks believe. That's not at all the same thing as denying it went down the way it's supposed to have gone down. Surely you can see the difference? Unconvinced, vs. convinced it didn't happen?

And if I'm not convinced, I can't convict, to borrow from Johnny Cochran.

As for disgusting, well, you're letting someone else do your thinking for you there, I think. Or maybe you're the kind of guy who becomes "disgusted" over peoples' positions on historical questions or matters of fact? I'm not, so I can't relate. But I do see far more people being "disgusted" over this particular historical question than any other. So I'd probably reject the official narrative on principle, just to make a few tummies hurt.

I honestly even understand if you simply did not care. I must admit not really caring about Arabs or Africans murdered by dictators, so I understand if you feel the same way about Jews getting killed. But I would never deny that these Arabs or Africans are getting killed or deny that the person who did it, like Saddam Hussein, is an extremely evil person.

The answer you give makes it very clear that you sort of don't really think it was an evil act. It sort of maybe was, but not so much.


How does being unconvinced something happened make it very clear that I think that something, if it happened, constituted an evil act? My relativism aside, I did lead off with this:

How the hell should I know? :) If he herded 12 million people into gas chambers, then yes, he was evil.

Would you care to revise your position? It doesn't seem to make much sense ATM.

Svigor said...

Like I said, maybe you become "disgusted" over these kinds of issues, so I won't direct this to you personally. But, how many answers to historical questions inspire "disgust" in the average American?

Okay, on second thought, a lot. I think America lost the "civil war." I think America made the wrong choice vis-a-vis "civil rights." etc.

But do neutral answers to those questions inspire "disgust"? Maybe in far leftists. But normal Americans?

On the other hand, THE HOLOCAUST!!! seems to be the one issue where I must believe the story as told, or inspire "disgust."