Friday, December 23, 2011

Ron Paul's Antagonism and Anti-Conservatism

Ron Paul put out anti-PC newsletters back in the 90's that made "offensive" statements about blacks. Yawn. As I said recently:
If something is true, it's racist.
The center-right and liberaltarians have largely come out against Dr. Paul, their implicit acceptance of leftism quite transparent. Additionally, the establishment Right who profit from their position as "respectable" conservatives, the kind of milquetoasts invited to high society dinner parties but then softly chided for their backwards viewpoints, seeks to undermine Paul's candidacy with this controversy. I have nothing to say on this matter really; it's just boring and predictable.

However, even with this recent problem, Dr. Paul continues his surprisingly strong candidacy. He has a good chance of taking Iowa, though perhaps Mike Huckabee will caution against putting too much weight on that result. Nonetheless, Paul's latest bid for Presidency may be his best shot yet or at least allows him an impact outside wide-eyed readers of Lew Rockwell and von Mises.

Paul's popularity rests on two primary ideas: his anti-establishment rhetoric and his non-interventionism. The former appeals to perhaps everyone, as the 99/1% frame finds favor amongst almost all groups, the masses eager to lament inequality if it gives them a larger piece of the pie. The notion that a shady cabal runs our society finds little favor outside Internet kooks, but enmity towards an insulated elite with too much concentrated power exists amongst liberals, conservatives, and every racial group. While Paul's almost 40 year on and off run as a politician makes him an odd figurehead for this cause, his criticism of the Federal Reserve and a war-mongering government has put him at the forefront.

Paul does seem to be very popular amongst the reactionary Right, though I do not share this enthusiasm. While I have decidedly anti-PC positions on race, gender, and society, I also support a corresponding cultural conservatism that seems wholly absent from Dr. Paul's paradigm. Take perhaps the central theme of his politics - non-interventionism. For comparison, history's most famous non-interventionist Charles Lindbergh (unfairly smeared as a Jew-hater) was spokesman for the anti-war outfit America First Committee. Note the title of the organization - "American First." Can you imagine Paul and his fellow libertarians couching their foreign policy ideas in such a framework? Instead, we get Paul inveighing against "Islamophobia":
When asked about conservative opposition to the “Ground Zero mosque,” Paul suggested Islamophobia was at the root of the controversy: “They never miss a chance to use hatred toward Muslims to rally support for the ill-conceived preventative wars. . . . This is all about hate and Islamophobia.”

Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul responded to a question about Michele Bachmann by saying, “She doesn’t like Muslims. She hates Muslims. She wants to go get ’em.” This wasn’t the first time Paul has accused another conservative of Islamophobia — over the years he has repeatedly maligned Republicans for their views on Muslims, suggesting that bigotry is either a natural motivation or a necessary justification for the U.S.’s interventionist foreign policy.
Perhaps the foremost reason I dislike Paul is his soft-exoneration of Muslims. He has also blamed American foreign policy for the unbridled and historically persistent hatred of Islamic terrorists:
“But, very clearly — it was so tragic — but I just point out that a different foreign policy might have diminished the incentive. I don’t believe people are going to come over here and commit suicide to prove that we’re rich and free. They don’t do that. They come because they’re angry at us.”
He then explicitly references the reflexive nature of his foreign policy:
He added that America should have the “golden rule of foreign policy." "When we do something to someone else we should stop and think would we like it if they did it to us?”
I don't begrudge Paul's non-interventionist stance. I don't speak on foreign policy because I don't follow it very closely; but I surely reject our violent exportation of American ideals. Nonetheless, Dr. Paul adopts a wholly un-conservative frame in championing non-interventionism. He rarely if ever says something like, "I oppose intervention because America is more important than other countries. And we can not go around policing the world because it will cost America too much." Perhaps he makes occasional appeals to this idea, but his reflexive antipathy towards neocons is the primary motivation of his foreign policy.

This reticence in actually formulating a conservative perspective coincides with libertarian philosophy. As one notes when reading sites like Lew Rockwell, the vague promise of "freedom" and the aggressive, angry histrionics regarding government intervention dominate libertarian discourse. Never do we see something positive about protecting culture, heritage, or traditionalism from Paul and his ilk. Note that a curmudgeonly, paleo-libertarian ideology can incorporate traditionalism (roughly defined as traditional gender roles, race consciousness, and nationalism), as illustrated by Pat Buchanan's infamous "Culture War" speech from 1992:
In addition to criticizing "environmental extremists" and "radical feminism," he said public morality was a defining issue:

The agenda [Bill] Clinton and [Hillary] Clinton would impose on America — abortion on demand, a litmus test for the Supreme Court, homosexual rights, discrimination against religious schools, women in combat — that's change, all right. But it is not the kind of change America wants. It is not the kind of change America needs. And it is not the kind of change we can tolerate in a nation that we still call God's country.
Why then does Dr. Paul rarely ever speak fondly of American tradition? Because libertarians, given their indiscriminate hatred of the state, refuse to intellectually acknowledge a nation and the attendant cultural trends within them. To libertarians, collective social movements do not exist as such a conception would undermine the notion of the radically autonomous individual. I support the free individual, but the libertarian ignores how individuals comprise society and believe that personal actions manifest in a vacuum. Paul can not support his political positions by appeal to national heritage because to do so would imply that a national, cohesive unit even exists in the first place. And if a nation and national community exist, then one would presume top-down political policies would at least occasionally be justified, a concession at odds with anti-state libertarianism.

But if Paul ultimately supports the same ideas I do, then who cares? Well I'd argue he does not, as Paul has some interesting positions on illegals and immigration. But Paul also cares nothing for traditional America. He only cares about antagonizing the elite. When I turn on the TV in Paul-run America, I'll still see the same dumb white male commercials. When I go to a college classroom, I'll still hear how women are trapped in the home. And when I look up over the football stadium prior to a game, I'll see an advertisement for Brawndo instead of an ostentatious display of national strength. Paul's America is that of the free individual, whatever that means, not the satisfied individual living amongst his cultural peers.

Related post: A Central Failing of Ron Paul and Libertarianism

32 comments:

Anonymous said...

While I agree with everything you've written here, I'll still probably vote for Paul. He's the best of a bad lot. *sigh*

Anonymous said...

True, he doesn't care about traditional America. But traditional america is dead, gone, fin, poof, bye bye.

The hostile elite on the other hand are very real. So, yes, it is better to be concerned with fighting them and at least winning for ourselves some breathing room than it is to pine for a lost time.

Dissident said...

RP, ain't perfect, but he's light years ahead of the others puppets in this race.

Of course; he'll never get the Republican nomination, he's more likely to be struck by a meteorite or be run over by a speeding locomotive. Paul's appeal is in his anti-establishment rhetoric and he does talk the talk, but would he walk the walk? My response to that is simple. Anyone going strongly against the 'party line' will be dealt with harshly AND swiftly: No exceptions.

Vis a vis-- Kennedy.

Dave said...

"When I turn on the TV in Paul-run America, I'll still see the same dumb white male commercials."

You want a president who will ban these commercials from TV?

Anonymous said...

I don't even care who wins the phony election - I just want to see some riots.

Pass me the Ritalin and some more Mountain Dew.

Paleocon said...

I've never been an RP fan, and I'm not now, for exactly the reasons your great post has elaborated.

However, he will get my vote, as anyone who causes such fear, loathing and outrage among the establishment is doing something right, whatever his motivations.

Ron Paul has all the right enemies.

He stands zero chance of getting the GOP nomination, much less the presidency, but some unexpected primary wins should utterly and openly terrify the One Party that runs the country ... which would be a Good Thing.

G.L.Piggy said...

One,

yours is a good piece - very well argued. but i disagree when you argue that Paul is either a 'blame-America firster' or not an advocate, first for America, and then for the world.

i think Paul's pro-Americanism is self-evident. he's less of a libertarian and more of a Constitutionalist. he routinely cites the Founding Fathers' warnings against foreign entanglements.

also, to my understanding, Paul is anti-collectivist as he believes that economic and personal freedom are axiomatic - that the power and the essence of a society and nation follows from that. to Paul, that freedom defines the United States - not an adherence to a certain culture, creed, or religion.

CamelCaseRob said...

Very good post, One, but in the 4th paragraph, I think you meant to say "share this enthusiasm" NOT "share this optimism".

Anonymous said...

paul's idea is that for a state to dictate to its subjects what exactly "culture" is and what is "moral" is inherently wrong. its up to individuals to decide this. and what would happen when invdividuals were given their freedom back? when they dont have to worry about "hate speech" laws, or forced integration?

as we all know, people prefer the company of those most like themselves. in a free country, they would self segragate, the state wouldnt take tax money from whites to subsidize black and hispanic birth rates, illegals would be given zero benefits and thus no incentive to come here...the list goes on and on. this is the right candidate to support.

that is our problem in a nutshell, that we are being dictated to by our academic and intellectual elites what we "should" believe. in paul's america, this would not be the case.

Anonymous said...

Lindbergh not Limbergh.

Traditional America is already gone. Just look at the Navy lesbian kiss. That sums up the armed forces which is so beloved by traditionalists. No wonder they like going after Muslims. They'd never tolerate that in their armed forces.

Anonymous said...

Dave said...
You want a president who will ban these commercials from TV?


Don't be an ass. He means that even if by some miraculous fluke Paul got elected, very little would change in our culture. A Paul Presidency would, at best, temporarily slow down our decline, not reverse it.

It's got electrolytes said...

I'm not sure I understand the reasoning of the complaint here. RP would, at least in theory, put individual freedom first. That means whites, traditionalists, whatever would be free to form their own enclaves and free to not associate with mud people or liberals. The state's border is irrelevant if individuals are free to set up their own nations and exclude who the state won't.

OTOH, if you want a president that pushes for cultural issues....what happens when that single person you're setting your nationalist hope on gets shot, resigns or simply blocked by congress? Then all you've done is set a precedent and the next person will be another puppet of YKW and we're back to a muslim and his fat-assed "wife" telling us what we can and can't eat.


The US and UK were way more nationalist in cultural identity in the 30s and 40s. By the 60's the power that was centralized to benefit those white/christian nations was corrupted and used to destroy it. Politics seems always to be a false choice in arguing who gets to hold the club of state to beat others over the head with. RP would, in theory at least, be the first step to eliminating the club.

Besides, if the elits/centralizied system/BRA/whatever you call it can be dismantled (or just defunded) then there will be nothing left to attract undesireables through porus borders. hell, maybe leaving them open is a good idea so they can self-expatriate.

Anonymous said...

"The Golden Rule"--

How can any of you who believe in HBD accept Ron Paul's naive notion of the way the world works? He has no belief in HBD, it appears, even though he thinks he does.

We could lick Arab and Muslim butt for the next thousand years, and it wouldn't change their attitude toward us. The same can be said for all other relationships.

He doesn't get it, thinks he does, and that's one reason he's dangerous.

Anonymous said...

Buchanan was 100% right on environmental extremists.

Somewhere they burned a SUV dealership "to protect like Mother Nature man" little realising that they were releasing pollutants into the atmosphere that they "so love" by burning them.

That is disposing of them in an environmentally unfriendly manner.

OneSTDV said...

Ron Paul has all the right enemies.

But so does Sarah Palin.

to Paul, that freedom defines the United States - not an adherence to a certain culture, creed, or religion.

In defending Paul, you give perhaps the most damning characterization of his position. As another poster mentions, Paul does not believe in HBD. He thinks the ability to attain freedom defines a nation. I dealt with this liberal creationism before:

http://onestdv.blogspot.com/2010/12/america-as-merely-set-of-laws.html

@ Dave:

Second the other response to you.

I'm not sure I understand the reasoning of the complaint here. RP would, at least in theory, put individual freedom first. That means whites, traditionalists, whatever would be free to form their own enclaves and free to not associate with mud people or liberals

Fine, whites will be free to do it, but with a libertarian/individualist/anti-collectivist in office, no whites would actually think to do it. The leadership (i.e. President Paul) would be too busy bashing the state as the only problem, instead of HBD. The political leadership would not be setting a race conscious paradigm, instead they'd be saying stuff like, "well if blacks just didn't have government in their communities they'd be just like white people!"

And while I think free people will inevitably go towards traditionalism, a national culture does much to help that process. Yet with a Paul presidency focused on the individual, a national culture won't even exist.

How can any of you who believe in HBD accept Ron Paul's naive notion of the way the world works? He has no belief in HBD, it appears, even though he thinks he does.

We could lick Arab and Muslim butt for the next thousand years, and it wouldn't change their attitude toward us. The same can be said for all other relationships.

He doesn't get it, thinks he does, and that's one reason he's dangerous.


Well said.

Olivier said...

Im frankly disappointed in the views of Onestdv and Paul Kersey towards Ron Paul. Never in our lifetime will we see a potential President who is so in-line with our race realist views.

Sadly they let perfect be the enemy of good.

Anonymous said...

Ron Paul wants a return to Constitutional government. This means a return to state's rights. If we have state's rights then it is feasible that a Whitopia could be established. This will NEVER be possible unless we loosen the deathgrip of the federal gov. The only guy I know of who wants to actually do this is Ron Paul.

Whiskey said...

I have the same problems with Paul. He's not an American Nationalist, and I am. While a great deal of traditional America is not coming back, part of it can be saved.

Paul is also a 50-state disaster for Republicans. He's an Obama massive victory. Reality check: elections are won and lost on who can grab the most White professional women, because they are the only bloc that swings from party to party. Blacks and Hispanics and Jews (who matter only for donations, they are less than 2% of the population) and the rich vote Democratic. White men of all stripes vote Republican, as do blue collar White women. Only White middle class professional women are in play.

Ron Paul has ZERO appeal to women. He's a disaster.

Plus, his anti-interventionism is magical thinking, at odds with actual American policy since the Monroe Doctrine, and a post-Christian critique of American nationalism. Lindbergh helped create about half a million US casualties, like say 22K on Okinawa alone. By creating the idea that if America was weak and helpless, no one would bother us. That's stupid, anyone who went through Junior High and HS knows only strength deters attack, weakness attracts it (for women however weakness and submission to dominant cultures have obvious appeal).

Whiskey said...

Ron Paul's anti-interventionism is contradicted by the entire history of the US. During the Revolutionary War the Continental Congress sent FRANKLIN (and others) to Montreal then occupied by Arnold's troops to agitate the Canadians into joining the revolution. The US for decades afterwards had war plans for the invasion and annexation of Canada. The US Colonial experience was characterized by constant warfare abetted by the French first, with Indian proxies, and then the British.

The US finally sent the Navy and Marines to conquer the Barbary Pirates (the shores of Tripoli) after paying 20% of the Federal Budget in tribute. As a practical matter for the next twenty years (IF we develop our own fracking-based oil reserves and make deals with Canada's oil sands) we need to intervene constantly to keep oil cheap. Expensive oil and no oil of our own = a desperate, poor America.

You can argue over what policies are EFFECTIVE, but the case for intervention to order critical areas and resources to our liking and to the disadvantage of competitor nations (China, Iran, Russia, Pakistan) with nukes is undeniable.

Besides, you only get nationalism and the high-trust, unified approach seen in WWII WITH all the other things of nationalism -- a strong military dominating its enemies, aggression (but hopefully moderated).

Its being "Alpha" on a wider scale. Being a supplicating beta male as the West had become during the Cold War to avoid a nuclear war meant critically White, independent professional women went on a non-stop Alpha search. Everyone loves a dominant, aggressive winner, and will not tolerate a loser. What sort of pride, cohesion, and unity will a policy of neo-isolationism and weakness get? Its the sort of thing preached at OWS. It is pathetic in its beta-maleness. A guarantee to slide the critical voting bloc to whoever can impersonate Bill Clinton's Alpha act the best.

Anonymous said...

it's becoming more and more clear that OneSTDV is definitely one of those Christian put a boot in their ass neocon types. I'm pretty sure a read a comment he wrote once saying that 9/11 happened because "they hate us cause we're White Christian". That's even worse than "they have us cause we're free".

Anonymous said...

I'll vote Ron Paul in the primary to protest American foreign policy and Mitt Romney in the fall.

It actually makes sense.

BReeda said...

Ron Paul put out anti-PC newsletters back in the 90's that made "offensive" statements about blacks. Yawn. As I said recently:

If something is true, it's racist.


Your sad attempts to turn your non sequiturs into new maxims are funny.

Anonymous said...

"they hate us cause we're White Christian".

That's only half right. They hate us because we're a non-Muslim superpower. OBL & al Qaeda weren't nationalists fighting for their independence. They were revolutionists for a former superpower trying to recapture its past glory. If you read the speeches and tracts of OBL, you'll find them filled with promises to win back former European possessions (he never STFU about getting Spain back) and re-establish the caliphate. Not that they could ever actually achieve their goal, but that's clearly what motivated them. 9/11 was a bold, flashy PR move designed to attract Muslim adherents to their cause.

Anonymous said...

Whiskey said...
"Expensive oil and no oil of our own = a desperate, poor America."

IMHO the price of gasoline can quadruple in the USA yet that would be less than the price we pay for our ignorance of HBD. A society ignorant of HBD leads to disastrous social polices like giving everybody a home mortgage and pushing everybody into college to name a few insane policies.

That will bankrupt America faster than $15 / gallon gasoline.

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Anonymous said...

You can't be pro-American while simultaneously rejecting the founding documents of this nation, the Constitution. Ron Paul's positions are consistently in favor of our Constitutional principles.

It isn't the role of the federal government to promote morality or conservative values. Once the federal government has that type of power, then what we get is what we've seen for decades: the constant power struggle between the Left and the Right, trying to use the power of the government to promote their agenda. The best solution is to dismantle the federal institutions that impede on the free choice of the American people. Let the American people decide what nation they want without the interference of an overbearing federal government.

Ron Paul would end the Civil Rights division of the Justice Department. He would stop the intrusive power of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. He wouldn't sue the states for their immigration laws; he'd actually enforce U.S. immigration laws. He'd push forward for ending birthright citizenship. He'd return power to the states.

Ron Paul is not perfect and many of his goals could not be met, but all the powers that rest under the executive branch would be used to roll back the federal government's power in dramatic ways. And that is pro-American.

Anonymous said...

Just take out the USA and Israel with nukes. If we do problem solved.

The rest of us can squibble amongst ourselves but at least the kikes (and their yank lovers) will have been dealt with.

Anonymous said...

Just take out the USA and Israel with nukes. If we do problem solved. The rest of us can squibble amongst ourselves but at least the kikes (and their yank lovers) will have been dealt with.

Obvious troll is obvious. Are you Pat or a Pat clone?

Jake said...

When I turn on the TV in Paul-run America, I'll still see the same dumb white male commercials.

Ron Paul would be elected President of the US Federal Government, not grand wizard of Madison Avenue.

And if a nation and national community exist, then one would presume top-down political policies would at least occasionally be justified...

Ron Paul has made clear his position that top-down political policies should be set at the state level.

There is no such goddamned thing as America, at least not at this point in time.

What REAL community exists exists at something much closer to the state level.

Why shouldn't states' get their freedom back?

Ever hear of the phrase: "Don't put all your eggs in one basket."

There's no good reason why all 50 states should be forced down the same path by the federal leviathan.

That's how we got to the point we're at now, a point where the elected officials of the state of Arizona don't even have sovereignty over their own immigration laws, etc.

Jake said...

When I go to a college classroom, I'll still hear how women are trapped in the home.

Even a President Pat Buchanan couldn't have stopped that.

What a President Ron Paul could do is give states back their rights.

Independance is the first step towards self-assertion.

Ron Paul can't save America, white peopple, Christians or anyone else.

What he can do is start them down a path of freedom where they might actually become self-reliant enough to save themselves.

Tim said...

One:

"In defending Paul, you give perhaps the most damning characterization of his position. As another poster mentions, Paul does not believe in HBD. He thinks the ability to attain freedom defines a nation."

Oh Lord.
If this is your belief then you're a neocon. I get so very tired of people who want everything and refuse to make a deal.

One, if you want the US to trumpet around the world it's values of free-market capitalism and democracy, including nation-building in distant lands, then you are a neocon, full stop. Same as Whiskey. I strongly urge you to vote Gingrich, as this is the man who can deliver those ideals for you. Actually, all of them can with the exception of Paul. Moreover, if you don't believe that states rights IS American culture, and local control of decision-making IS American culture, then you are a liberal, and neocon, full stop.

OneSTDV said...

Oh Lord.
If this is your belief then you're a neocon. I get so very tired of people who want everything and refuse to make a deal.


The "shut up, you're a neocon" argument! I mildly support isolationism and I'm a neocon?!? Ha. It's funny that people who spew the "neocon" invective do it b/c they really have nothing to say. They use "neocon" instead of actually putting forth an argument.

You quote what I said:

As another poster mentions, Paul does not believe in HBD. He thinks the ability to attain freedom defines a nation.

Yet you didn't read the accompanying post. I'm saying that society is somewhat determined by its laws, but it's far moreso determined by the people that comprise the society.

Ironically, you're the one being a neocon here, as their open-borders paradigm presumes that we can bring anyone here to be an "American" just as long as these "new Americans" buy into our freedoms, laws, constitution, etc. My position, which defines a nation primarily by the racial and ethnic groups and their cultural traditions, is far less "neocon" than your sterile, anti-traditionalist BS which conceives of a nation as just a bunch of laws and writings.

To make this point further, look at some other countries with very similar governing systems:

http://onestdv.blogspot.com/2010/12/america-as-merely-set-of-laws.html

South Africa: constitutional democracy
Central African Republic: presidential republic
Zaire: democratic republic
Zimbabwe: presidential republic and parliamentary
Haiti: presidential republic
Columbia: constitutional republic (just like us!)
Nicaragua: democratic republic
Mexico: constitutional republic

According to you, our leadership merely needs to understand the constitution, just like in Haiti and Columbia, and we'll be right back to Leave to Beaver, white conservative America. Couldn't be more neocon than that.

Tim said...

Are you saying that the American people's inclination to local decision-making, minimal government, decentralization, etc - you're saying that is not linked to the race of largely caucasian people who call themselves 'American'? Adherence to the constitution is not non-racial or post-racial, but rather, it is directly sprung from the traditional culture which is America, and hence indispensably white. I take umbridge with the notion we need a strong leader to protect us, an 'alpha' as Whiskey suggests. Also, I don't believe our traditional white culture is better served by anyone on the GOP ticket, with the exception of Bachman and Paul. The rest are liberals, or neocons. Perhaps I'm wrong on thinking you are a neocon, but I picked up that you want a strong leader, some sort of alpha. Since the head of government is also head of state, that is somewhat understandable. But its also dangerous. And I don't believe in isolationism, either, but I also don't believe in empire.

According to you, our leadership merely needs to understand the constitution, just like in Haiti and Columbia, and we'll be right back to Leave to Beaver, white conservative America. Couldn't be more neocon than that.

Ultimately the thing I got out of your post, which I enjoyed, was that a lot of conservatives seem to think there was a golden age, and we need to get back there. The way to do that is to elect a strong leader who protects us, and these conservative values will trickle down to us, eventually. That's actually liberalism, not conservatism. The founder fathers believed in God, but they were Deists, and their philosophy, our founding philosophy, was that culture comes from the bottom up, not from the top down. It's your directional vectors I disagree with, not your core philosophy, in other words.