Despite many on the alt-right celebrating such a brazen defender of ethnically homogeneous Britain, I side with Andy Nowicki at Alternative Right:
I'm sure that many Alt-Right readers will hold me guilty of snobbery for declining to back the not-so-epic tram lady on principle. But again, I don't object to Miss West for being an unlettered prole. Some of my best friends are unlettered proles. (Well, not really, but you see my larger rhetorical point.) Rather, I dislike the fact that she acted like a mean, bitchy tramp. Graceless behavior is hardly the staple of the working classes; we all succumb to it, on occasion. Yet we all must, and can, do better.Even though she correctly opposes mass immigration and notes the cultural implications of Muslim and black (not to mention Polish) demographic changes, this woman is clearly an unhinged crazy person.
But should we defend her? Should we defend someone who clearly shares some of our principles, even though she presents them in a manner that confirms all the stereotypes leftists offer about nativists? Should we defend someone who champions a more exclusive, negative version of ethno-nationalism, as compared to my preferred notions of "ethnic self-determination" and "racial moral autonomy"? This same conundrum arose during the Duke Lacrosse rape witchhunt, in which race conscious conservatives had to consider defending a bunch of pompous lax douchebags.
In both cases though, I say we absolutely must defend them. Admittedly, optimistic visions of ethnically homogeneous European states do not include such obstreperous individuals. When most traditionalists envision a cultural upswing, they tend to ignore underclass louts like Ms. Tram Lady. Nonetheless, we must defend her, though not as an individual as this would require an implicit approval of her behavior. Instead, we must defend her primarily in a reflexive manner as the left rushes to socially and politically lynch Duke Lax and Ms. Tram Lady.
In essence, we don't specifically defend lax douchebags and ranting lumpenproles; we defend the general white male and the general British nativist from character assassination. The specific individuals do not matter as much as the leftist attacks which they attract; we must protect less than honorable individuals in sort of a "first they came for..." manner. If leftists will use these incidents to impugn the general classes, such as bashing all middle-class college students as "privileged racists", then we must respond. Sure, we'd rather lionize someone worthy of our moral white-knighting, like Tim Tebow or Officer Crowley, but when leftists seek cultural change based on these "teachable moments", someone has to push back.
161 comments:
"This woman is clearly an unhinged crazy person."
Who else will speak out ?(shades of Doc Daneeka in Catch 22).
The penalties against speaking out against multi culti are extreme particularly on middle class and above people - a fact which doesn't get mentioned enough. My hat goes off to anyone who writes on this stuff without using a pseudonym - like Sailer, Mangan, Bolt.
We need to defend people like the Epic Tram Lady in the only sensible way we can - which is on the basis of freedom of speech, and that she has been excessively punished.
It's a fucking disgrace - England is a police state.
I just wish that she had stated her position with more articulation and with less cursing-albeit, I understand her passion completely.
She's being vilified for simply speaking her mind-something that you clearly can't do anymore.
If anything this incident should serve as a reminder, that you can't go against prevailing PC orthodoxy and at least not be punished!
Where's the lefty, civil rights, free speech adherents? Why aren't they defending this lady?
She's probably a single mother, so she's contributed to the degradation in her own way.
The more important aspect of it all isn't that she "spoke out" - people speak out i.e. talk shit on others all the time. But the fact that the woman has been demonized and arrested is the takeaway.
Dissident
"I just wish that she had stated her position with more articulation and with less cursing"
The problem is that all the civillised, intelligent people don;t have the balls to speak out. For one thing they can foresee the huge risk you are taking in speaking this way in public now.
A few years ago in Australia we had a woman called Pauline Hanson who spoke out against multi-culti and became a politician. As you might imagine she became a hate figure for the left. She owned a fish and chip shop and she used to say a lot of things which could have been expressed in a better way.The left had an absolute field day with this 'racist, redneck, bogan'.
But again, who else was going to speak up ? If middle class people are basically ostracised for speaking out then who is left but the uneducated.
All my work colleagues are middle class, tertiary educated people and I can say without a shadow of a doubt that any variance on ideological issues is the kiss of death.I deal with things by being a scoffer - ie I mock the left but to be honest I never have the balls to defend my actual positon.
Let's say Emma West were on the tram telling single moms that they are effing whores and tramps and asking them whether they even knew who the fathers of their babies actually are.
The point is not that she is lovely or upper class. The point is that she is right. Our culture no longer values truth, so it is all about appearances, blah, blah, blah.
Emma West is a political dissenter. She is in jail for dissent in Britain. This alone is far worse than anything she said. Britain jails political dissidents for rudeness. If a black guy had told a bunch of white they were ugly, stupid and to go eff themselves, would the British hold him in jail over the holidays? Or would his "community" raise such a stink an hue and cry in the streets, complete with violence, burning crap, etc, that the pansies in Britain would apologize to HIM and let him out?
The old stuff isn't working anymore, guys.
If you want things to change, you have to go out and throw a tantrum in the streets and bully the bulliers. Most of us aren't natural bullies, so it will take some work on our confidence to get up our gumption and get out there, but there is no way, they are just going to give it to us. We will have to take it.
None of the people who comment on this event know whether or not Emma West was the onject of verbal assaults before her outburst. White people are mostly cowards when they are verbally assaulted in public since they know the others are dangerous and that no white person ever defends another white person from a non-white assault. Emma West deserves support she will not get from yuppie slime like Nodicki and Guccipootch.
Robert in Arabia
"But the fact that the woman has been demonized and arrested is the takeaway."
Yes, the fact that she's been jailed and kept from her kids to me gives credence to some of the alt-right's paranoia; I noticed some of this manifest p.c.-bureaucracy myself during visits to Der Hague, Amsterdam, Rotterdam and Brussels several years ago; it really is out of sorts and extreme.
I mean, I think at worst she should've been subjected to some sort of public-nuisance ordinance or fine, but nothing more.
As for the cries for moral support and defense of such types; I also agree with commenters who note that all such attempts at outreach are quite moot and irrelevant when anonymous. Don't get too far ahead of yourselves.
Podsnap. I agree.
There are severe penalties for those that don't tow the line. It's a hell of a situation that western civilization is in now. It's to early to wage open warfare on the high priests of PC and to late to stop it? How ironic a predicament we find ourselves in?
I guess the only option at this point is to wage a low-level psyop against them, like they do us, and tell everyone about blogs such as this. Make no bones, this is a psywar, as well as an open war against our culture, and our way of life. Hell, man! It's a an outright war on everything sacred, free and decent. It is evil by any other name.
Dissident
"I guess the only option at this point is to wage a low-level psyop against them"
I agree that we have to be smart in the way we act. And also we have to try to be moral - ie defend our convictions as best we can.
The way I always argue with people from the left is to try to attack them from an 'old left' standpoint. For example with the tram lady I would call anyone who was against her a fascist, supporter of a police state etc. I would keep the conversation away from the content of her speech, until a later point in the conversation when I was on the front foot. I would then talk about the greater effect immigration has on 'lower class people' and the fact that the new class ponce I was arguing with had never actually lived near an immigrant etc
And btw I don't condemn West at all. Either as a 'lumpenprole', or as crazy, or as a degenerate single mum (come on Piggy you can do better than that sort of pseudo-Roissy bullshit), she is what she is - an angry woman, not a speech maker, not an intellectual.
I don't believe she should be given "some sort of public-nuisance ordinance" fine. I have no problem with someone telling other people to 'fuck off' in a crowded tram without being arrested. There are social penalties to discourage that. When we had a society those sort of penalties were sufficient to keep things in order. It's a pity that society is gone.
"This woman is clearly an unhinged crazy person."
She was angry.
Justifiably angry.
Of course she was wrong to swear in front of a child, but that's the kind of thing that's par for the course in all but the more posh parts of London now.
The blacks got on her case because of the racial component of what she said, not anything else.
They used the swearing issue as an excuse.
She's probably a single mother, so she's contributed to the degradation in her own way.
No she hasn't.
The de-Englishizing of England is a form of degradation an English female fights by having a child of English blood, whether or not she was married at the time of conception.
Divorce and single motherhood deprive children of fathers, that's true, but in the old days roughly the same number of children were deprived of fathers by early mortality, and yet society functioned beautifully.
Immigration and white women not having white children (either through childlessness or race mixing) are the main components of "the degradation" Emma West was complaining about.
Admittedly, optimistic visions of ethnically homogeneous European states do not include such obstreperous individuals.
What rot.
I have nothing against Emma West, and you shouldn't either.
In a better society they'd be more of a taboo against swearing, but fiery lower class English women like Emma West are at least as worthy of preservation as any member of the upper class.
As Podsnap an others pointed out, if you're waiting for some well behaved, classy, intelligent lady to speak out on this matter, forget it. She is trashy, but it doesn't mean she isn't right. Her country has been ruined and she's devastated by it.
She refers to England as "her England". How many of the other people on that train think that way, I wonder?
How many intellectuals think that way ?
Pretty easy to be cool and tolerant - when you don't give a fuck about anything but yourself.
"In a better society they'd be more of a taboo against swearing, but fiery lower class English women like Emma West are at least as worthy of preservation as any member of the upper class."
Excellent comment. I don't think whether Emma is a single mother, or not, is very important. That reminds me the of all the ways in which different groups in this country try to justify why immigrants are superior to the natives: better family values, smarter, hard working.
When people are intimidated by glowering foreigners and start arguing at a point when their pent-up frustration boils over, they rarely sound like Oliver Wendell Holmes. They go into an adrenaline-rush tunnel visions mode and experience a brain blockade past which only the crudest words from the depths of id pass.
She had a small child on her lap. At that moment she felt like a deer circled by wolves. Have more sympathy.
If you're ever to find yourself in a position of martyr for free speech or traditional America, it's a guarantee that you will be an imperfect martyr too.
"I don't believe she should be given "some sort of public-nuisance ordinance" fine. I have no problem with someone telling other people to 'fuck off' in a crowded tram without being arrested. There are social penalties to discourage that. When we had a society those sort of penalties were sufficient to keep things in order."
I agree; in fact, if I could be 'head-magistrate-for-a-day' I would've not pursued a charge or ticket of any kind; I was just venturing the extent of what CONCEIVABLY could be justified.
I also agree that, if you have a society in which there's any noticeable level of shared norms, you could rely solely on the social penalty, though it seems those societal days are over now.
Robert In Arabia
"Emma West deserves support she will not get from yuppie slime like Nodicki and Guccipootch. "
Remember that 'Nodicki' - Andy Nowicki from Alt Right uses his own name when blogging. I don't agree with what he wrote about West BUT you (and me for that matter) are anonymous - so cut the guy some slack.
Whiskey, yesterday you wrote: "Most of the White Professional class applauds what happened to Emma West, and would like to throw (...) her kids to the closest analogue to Jerry Sandusky."
As you know, I credit you with having insight while I'm also highly sceptical of some of your more... impassioned arguments. But I'll take that assertion seriously. Do you mind elaborating?
I agree with the posters who point out that no toffer would refer to her country as "my England". It takes a working class Englishman to speak her mind.
Even older Labour Party types had a strong love for Queen and Country.
Definitely, we should jump to her defence for no other reason than she´s a native European standing her ground and sent to jail for that very reason.
Once the Internet is no longer free, it could happen to one of us.
Armchair warriors, we could be next!
Anonymous was me (asking Whiskey a question.)
I once saw an interview with one of the falsely accused Duke lacrosse players, and I found him likable and unassuming. He even said he can't imagine going through what he did, without a strong, supportive family, like he has.
The team's behavior on that night wasn't great, and possibly some minor disciplinary by the school would have been in order. Obviously, no one deserves to be falsely accused of rape.
Anonymous
I'm not sure if Whisky is here to field that, but as I have been unable to keep my mouth shut on this thread I'm happy to respond.
I'm not sure where you've been for the last few years, but it appears to be my unfortunate task to tell you that we now live in a 'mean girls' society (I was going to say a 'witch burning society' but really we are too pathetic to be decsribed in that way).
Periodically a sick animal is ejected from the societal herd and subjected to wholesale abuse. The remainder of the herd thereby feels more secure and empowered and the herd rolls along.
Emma West is now that sick animal. Why is she sick ? She has breached the current media mores. She is a stupid, redneck, child abusing, ignorant, ill-educated, lower class RACIST.
Before Emma West it was Mel Gibson, Kramer from Seinfeld, Don Imus, Pauline Hanson, Geoffrey Blainey, James Watson, Ron Casey, etc etc But all those people have money and some power, whereas poor old Emma has none.
At some point in the future it might be Ricky Gervais.
Or any one of us, so be careful what you say and who you say it to.
It's the same old wagon-dispersing. No friends on the right. Even the normally solid Ann Coulter at first distanced herself from the Duke Lax guys by condemning them for hiring strippers while doubting their guilt.
I know people who immediately doubted the Duke players guilt, based on their knowledge of the law, and what they read about the case. However, they did condemn the team for their behavior that night. If the fraternity house is off campus, it isn't really the business of the school, I guess. I just think sometimes athletes have a reputation for being able to get away with things.
Also, the company was wrong for sending black strippers to a white fraternity house. If the girls had been white, the night would have likely gone on without incident.
Based on a Vanity Fair article I read years ago, I think the Duke lacrosse players treated the strippers well. They didn't want a black stripper, but they paid her anyway. Some thanks, they got.
I wouldn't make her the poster girl for the alt-right, but neither would I throw her under the bus because she, understandably, lost her temper on a tram and went off on a curse laden rant.
Didn't John Cleese say essentially the same thing (the thing for which Emma is in jail for--the ideological crime of the content of her outburst) a couple of years ago? Why did he escape relatively unscathed when he pointed out disapprovingly that London was no longer an English city? Upper class Oxford grad? Generally liberal? I don't know. Just asking.
The Duke Lacrosse players were guilty of ideological crimes--being white, male and privileged. So they had some beers and hired a stripper. If that makes them evil, then 95% of the blacks in the NBA are evil too. But you never hear the left denouncing them. Give those guys a break. They did nothing wrong. As for Emma West, why bother critiquing her style when the substance is so...substantive.
Well, for one thing, I think he (John Cleese) is living in California now (correct me if I'm wrong about this); two, he made his comments in an interview rather than in public to a disapproving crowd; and three, he's rich and famous. West doesn't have any of those factors going for her.
John Cleese's comments were so much better framed.
On some other blogs they were saying that Emma West was having an argument with others on the train who were bothering her. I'd love to see an account of that, but I guess it will have to wait until she's released from jail and can tell her side of the story.
One,
Rumors are circulating that she was spit on before her rant. Just like the Rodney King video, perhaps there's more than meets the eye...
Regardless, her incarceration shows - juxtaposed with the Somalia four getting released after beating a white girl - shows the evil that has taken over England.
You have to support Emma.
"Didn't John Cleese say essentially the same thing (the thing for which Emma is in jail for--the ideological crime of the content of her outburst) a couple of years ago? Why did he escape relatively unscathed when he pointed out disapprovingly that London was no longer an English city? Upper class Oxford grad? Generally liberal? I don't know. Just asking."
He probably said it with jovial overtones. "England isn't England anymore!" takes on two different contexts when expressed as a positive milestone vs. a negative one.
@Robert of Arabia
It's educated, articulate and civil folk like GLPiggy and Andy Nowicki who will be advancing the cause and interests of the white race in the coming years, not crude, arrogant pieces of trash like you. All you and West do is shore up the illusory bogeymen constructed by the left of whites who are racially conscious. Emma West should be free, not some totemic figurehead worshiped by the nascent white-identity movements. The only quicker way to descend into irrelevance and extinction is to go out and start beating on NAMs.
I love Emma West. I love everything about her. I love her spirit and her frame of mind. And the worst person on that tram? The white bitch at the end who sides against her. Throw that sanctimonious bitch UNDER the bus, and every woman like her.
Echoing what 10842 said:
For those who excuse this type of loutish behavior because, "well she was angry" or "that's the only thing that works", you can't have it both ways.
You can't criticize NAMs for acting this way and using that as a justification for why they can't live in civilized society. But then defend Emma West for behaving in the exact same manner.
She's loud and obnoxious and largely right. But still, she acts just like the kinds of people (loud ranting in public, no respect for public space, aggression towards strangers, cursing, causing a scene, etc...), i.e. Third worlders, who immigration-restrictionists oppose coming into the country.
Same with single motherhood. It's moral decay, no matter who does it - Murphy Brown, Emma West, or Funquishta in Hotlanta.
And I did not comment on her being jailed: sickening. I don't like this woman, but that is absolutely disgusting. PC has literally become fascist (and not the good kind).
Also, if I'm not mistaken, Chuck of GLPiggy is of British descent. Maybe even a first generation American of British descent.
"It's educated, articulate and civil folk like GLPiggy and Andy Nowicki who will be advancing the cause and interests of the white race in the coming years, not crude, arrogant pieces of trash like you."
Because the educated, articulate and civil folk have brought us so far already?
Well, things are going to get a whole lot more loutish. I suggest we start concentrating more on the message and less on the means with which it is delivered. They're not going to hand us what we want simply because we ask for it in flowery, evolved language.
Remember, Gandhi was dealing with the British. We are dealing with Bolsheviks and savages. That's redundant.
I know many people who are fairly traditional and conservative -- they own guns, go to church, think taxes are too high and too many people are on welfare, consider adulthood to include marriage and a job, etc. -- but they would never identify themselves as right-wing because it's been drilled into their heads that right-wingers are mean, angry, racist, etc. They themselves aren't mean -- they're usually very nice people (part of the problem) -- and they don't personally know right-wingers who are, but they're still sensitive to the charge because it's leveled so often.
So when someone like Emma West comes out and tells the truth in such a "mean" and discomforting way, their reaction is, "Ah ha! See, people on the right really are angry and hateful and so on, just like the liberals keep saying. They've just been hiding it!" And they work even harder to avoid anything that would cause them to be lumped in with such people.
Sometimes it even pushes them into that "above-it-all moderate" group OneSTDV was talking about. They see one side as destructive, wasteful, and libertine, but they see the other side as angry and hateful, so they try to be above both.
Should she be punished for a hate crime? Of course not. But do I wish she hadn't said it, if she couldn't say it without the anger? Absolutely, because the way she did it only makes things worse, at least among the center-right people I know.
@ Anon
Jared Taylor and Richard Spencer have brought us much farther than David Duke and Harold Covington. The growth of white racialism, or at least open expressions of it, amongst the common Europid has grown exponentially in the past decade.
It's finally breaking into the mainstream, and that's because the personality-cult WN movements are going to way of the dodo. There's a reason WN has never previously been successful, and it's not because of Jews or liberals, at least not entirely. It's because the people who made up those movements were ignorant, violent, impulsive, and often megalomaniacal. Yelling Nigger on a bus will get. Us. Nowhere. If you think otherwise, you are part of the problem; a pox on the white race every bit as deletrious as Tim Wise.
"Push them into an above it all moderate group?"
Sounds to me like they are already part of an above it all moderate group.
Looks to me like Emma West is the only person left not "above it all."
"a pox on the white race every bit as deletrious as Tim Wise."
Oh Lordy, please. Start throwing around the collective guilt like a good little commie. You are filth.
@Anon
The goal of the young white racialist should be to affirm the positive in their own race. Emma West represented little that was positive.
The goal, if whites are to reestablish their identity, is to crack through the programming that most whites know deep down is at odds with their nature.
This is not going to be accomplished by playing into that programming, but by throwing in variables that it was not made to deal with.
Calm, intelligent discourse in the face of leftist spittle and foam is the way forward.
Emma West has done nothing to move us forward. Indeed, the single part of this whole situation that may bring people to the New Right is the overstep of the Marxists in arresting her and taking her child away.
However, I get the feeling that people such as you aren't a fan of Emma West because she's a martyr. You like her because she shouted "nigger" in the face of a few dozen NAMs. Brave? Sure. Smart? Not at all, and for far more important reasons than the possibility of her being slugged out by an immigrant.
Surround yourself with trash, and you'll find yourself living in a dump. That holds true everywhere, regardless of race.
I value cleanliness.
It's fair enough that we don't know what came before the video began, but going on what we have she was clearly in the wrong. Rightists need to figure out that opposing immigration doesn't entail being a complete ass to immigrants.
That said, the arrest and charge are absurd. She should have been arrested, sure, but for disorderliness and annoying everyone rather than hate crime nonsense. The punishment should have been a night in the tank to sleep it off.
I want to point out that all is not PC-controlled in the west. I work in the midwest. Twice at work I've stated that "on a population basis, Blacks are less intelligent than Caucasions." About 10 coworkers have heard me speak this. I've also spoken out against single moms. My co-workers were quiet, pensive; but I've received no push-back. My boss apparently agrees with me, and vicariously enjoys my role a mouthpiece for her own views.
Freedom of speech lives on.
@Anon
The only "filth" are those who seek to find identity in hatred. In that regard you are no different than Wise. You don't love whites, you hate NAMs. There's a difference between the two. A movement rooted in hatred will not succeed in the long run.
Those of us with integrity will take this movement forward. Spiritually Profane individuals such as yourself will wallow and fester in your own failure while only hurting those whom you falsely claim to love.
Emma West is not a hero. She's an unfortunate member of a lower caste who has fallen victim to the sick times we live in. But anyone who seeks to elevate her onto a pedestal, thinking that will somehow aid the white race, has some serious, serious problems, the foremost of which is stupidity.
also, I find it amusing that someone who smears those he disagrees with by substituting their names for clever insults ("Nodicki", "Guccipootch") and by calling them "yuppie slime" going on about collective guilt.
Wanna know why you are no different than Tim Wise? Because the only thing you will ever do to the white race is set it back.
One, how DARE you denigrate and abandon that brave woman? There, but for the Grace of God, go I. My language may be a bit more refined than hers (although I use plenty of f-bombs sotto voce as I wade through the sea of brown people in public), but I speak out against immigrants and immigration. I guarantee I'd be jailed in England for my statements.
Whenever I think of what has been done to Emma West, I am reduced to incoherent, shaking, barely-controlled rage. Am I, therefore, to be shunned too as unworthy? She espoused no violence; she physically harmed no one. Yet you, One, say there is nothing to differentiate her from typically black behavior? As one anonymous commenter noted, while you may dislike NAMs, you don't like Whites. One thing reading VA (Vanishing American) has taught me is the historical White, Christian, American tradition of looking out for one's kin first and foremost. As a relative newcomer to all of those traditions, I've had to learn them. Since I don't particularly like or care for most of my family members, I am not essentially practicing what I preach, but I am working to inculcate that care for one's own (family writ small, and race writ large) to my children.
Emma West is a political prisoner and her child his held hostage. The British tyranny is characterizing race realism as a mental disorder necessitating psychological care, a la the old Soviet Union and dissidents.
Please, folks, don't just comment here! Send Emma thousands of Christmas cards, letters of support, and money for her legal defense! Write the damned British Ambassador!
Emma West C/O HMP Bronzefield, Woodthorpe Road, Ashford, Middlesex, TW15 3JZ
I don't want a seat at the intellectual table, and neither does Emma West. I want the whole enchilada. So sue me.
And I think equating a vocal outburst on a tram with the kind of behavior evidenced on your blog, SBPDL, isn't a valid comparison.
This is what I have learned: What I want for my country, no matter how articulately I phrase it, no matter how many tomes of flowery language and brilliant argument I can fill, no matter how apologetically phrased, is never, ever going to be palatable to those groups who do not want it. They will never, ever, ever like it.
Here's the thing, we ARE Emma West. Whether we swear or don't swear, whether we give millions of dollars to our detractors, whether we sacrifice our first born or take a vow of poverty, we are Emma West. So if somebody happens to swear, or say something impolitic, it really doesn't make a damn bit of difference.
When white crime exceeds black crime, when black women are being raped more than white women, when incompetent white people are taking jobs from competent blacks, then perhaps we can throw some hate around for Emma West not speaking properly about the issue. Until then, it is entirely improper and devoid of all honor to speak any ill whatsoever of a woman of our racial heritage speaking out against the situation she finds herself in, that is OUR FAULT, that in spite of all the flowery language in the world, WE DID NOT PREVENT. And, more likely than not, all the flowery language in the world will not prevent getting worse.
I really don't understand all the hand wringing this late in the game. What the fuck are you afraid of? You're afraid that because some white lady swears on a tram somebody is going to see you as a hater? Shit, there was more hate from you, 10842, towards me for defending Emma West, than came from Emma's rant. So who's the damn problem? I doubt Emma's ever hurt a fly. I know I've never hurt a fly. But I do know that in your heart, 10842, lies a blackness I can scarcely imagine. So go blow it out your ass. I'll take 1 Emma West over 10,000 of you you fucking scumbag.
"Emma West is not a hero. She's an unfortunate member of a lower caste who has fallen victim to the sick times we live in."
Kind of like Rosa Parks.
Whatever you might think of Emma West, the video has gotten 12 million views and a lot of people saw exactly what the "paranoid" far right has been saying for years- that white people are being swamped in their own countries. A picture says a thousand words, and a video is even more powerful. I think that every white man and woman immediately imagines being that one white person in a car packed with blacks and even though they'd never admit it they feel a sense of dread.
The left's game has always been doubletalk: 1. IT'S NOT HAPPENING and 2. EVEN IF IT WAS, WHO CARES? Well, if people start catching on that it is happening they might start to realize that they do care, that no matter how much they want to rationalize it away they don't want to be the only white person on the tram.
By the way - dare to dream - is it possible she'll get a web redemption on Tosh.0?
It's finally breaking into the mainstream, and that's because the personality-cult WN movements are going to way of the dodo.
This. Bloggers like Sailer and One are far more effective than obnoxious ranters like Pat Hannagan, who only set the cause back.
The "number" commenter stinks of troll.
Just to set the record straight, and I watched the video again, I did not here her call anyone "nigger." She used "black" throughout. At one point she tells the black woman to go back to where she comes from but it's unclear what she's saying there. "Nigger" would have made no sense in the context of that sentence so I doubt she used the word there, and if she didn't use it there, she didn't use it at all. For fuck's sake, let the left exagerrate her "crime"; we don't need to do it for them. This woman has had her life fucked with beyond all comprehension for expressing a view--however crudely--that we all share. Show some fucking respect or go hang out with the jewish snobs.
Reactions to the video likely split between people who have children vs ones who don't. If you're a parent and you see the little boy in the foreground, you feel horror for the situation the scared kid and his poor mother are in, and feel protectiveness for them both.
"fiery lower class English women like Emma West are at least as worthy of preservation as any member of the upper class."
Yup.
Despite being low class and crass, she is still the best looking and most desirable woman on the tram!!
Why is everyone condescending to this poor woman? She's merely expressing a sentiment in public that many of you keyboard warriors haven't the guts to say when confronted by these same hordes yourselves. How high and mighty of you guys to seemingly put manners over principles. Does it make you all feel morally superior and better in a style not too unlike the anti-racists who wag their finger at this very blog? But that's why white people are experiencing a soft form of ethnic cleansing. Because when it's put up or shut up, whites effectively side with the "shut up" crowd--even the ones who are allegedly pro-white. People like One (who I normally enjoy reading) and Nowicki may whine about the problems we all notice, but then when someone actually speaks out in regards to them (she was likely just standing up for herself), instead of saying "thank you," they find it tasteful to play armchair intellectual and impugn her class. Fuck that!
Everyone also just assumes the exchange begins where the youtube video starts while I suspect (with good reason) that she was baited and then the recording began. This lady is now going to spend Christmas in prison while her children sit in state custody and the best we can do within the "alt right blogosphere" is evoke how "white trash" she is when she's done more than any of you.
God Bless this "little person" of Walmart or whatever snooty little condescending label you wish to assign her. This woman had guts and was probably scared to death telling that hostile dark mass what's what with her little child and no one to help her if they did decide to chimp out which isn't very uncommon.
"She's loud and obnoxious and largely right. But still, she acts just like the kinds of people (loud ranting in public, no respect for public space, aggression towards strangers,"
Um, the fact that the lower classes have aggression towards strangers is largely the reason that the upper classes have a position. Think about it. It would be damned hard to send all those lower classes off to fight the next tribe if they weren't aggressive towards strangers. It is an adaptive trait. Period.
Reactions to the video likely split between people who have children vs ones who don't. If you're a parent and you see the little boy in the foreground, you feel horror for the situation the scared kid and his poor mother are in, and feel protectiveness for them both.
I am a parent of two young boys, and I can relate to Emma. The elites and their useful idiot immigrants are the enemies of the English most especially that little boy. They would love to see him and all like him suffer for the sins of the elite's fathers.
People tend to forget that lower-class Brits are notoriously rude, so this behaviour, while shocking to many other more sedate Europeans, should not actually be so. (Think of high strung blacks. Brits are rather like that.)
I personally like Podsnap's idea here:
The way I always argue with people from the left is to try to attack them from an 'old left' standpoint. For example with the tram lady I would call anyone who was against her a fascist, supporter of a police state etc. I would keep the conversation away from the content of her speech, until a later point in the conversation when I was on the front foot. I would then talk about the greater effect immigration has on 'lower class people' and the fact that the new class ponce I was arguing with had never actually lived near an immigrant etc
"Old left" arguments are most effective with getting young liberal whites who aren't overly philo-nonwhite to see your point of view.
It is interesting that the Somalis are not being detained "for their own protection."
The savagery of the Somalis receives nothing more than a slap on the wrist, and does not seem to need protection against a (deserved) "backlash" (such backlashes are often promised but never seem to happen). Emma West's merely uncouth outburst receives detention, the possible loss of her children, and protection from the angry masses.
It is not so much the lunatics running the asylum as the criminals running the prison.
Dear Podsnap,
I have more than 50 articles published over my name on the web.
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on google.
Cheeers,
Robert in Arabia
OneSTDV,
"I don't care if she correctly opposes mass immigration and notes the cultural implications of Muslim and black (not to mention Polish) demographic changes. This woman is clearly an unhinged crazy person."
This is complete nonsense. For someone who seems to value rational conclusions based on evidence, you're coming to a very dramatic conclusion based on a clip of some woman ripped out of context. We don't know if she was provoked. A more likely explanation than SHE WAS A CRAZY RACIST AND JUST STARTED BEING CRAZY AND RACIST LIKE A CRAZY RACIST PERSON is that she probably had a little too much to drink and one (or more) of the non-white savages did something (or somethings) that caused her to get angry. Perhaps she could have stated her case more eloquently, but as someone who has to frequently ride "people of Wal-mart" transportation with lots of black people, I fully understand this woman's frustration.
The Alt Right folks need to stop acting like elitist priss-pots when the prole have the boldness to speak their minds, even if comes from exasperation and is delivered in a crude manner. These people deal with groups I am fortunate enough to finally insulate myself from most of the time. Typing your feelings/opinions online will not stop the destruction of the Western peoples, it's merely a starting point. We need to form alliances with people who would never bother going to one of these websites/blogs because they are already sickened from their dealings with alien populations on a daily basis.
While I don't condone impolite the behavior exhibited by Miss West, she spoke very clearly about her anger towards being racially and ethnically cleansed from her homeland. How many of you would ever make such pronouncements publicly, albeit in a more more articulate, erudite and tasteful manner in a similar environment? Emma West may not have much class but she has guts. Her video clip crystallizes what most UK people already know but dare not speak the same way the Mahogany Mob attack articles on Drudge from labor Day weekend throughout the Summer did here in the US.
One, I understand you're trying to not let emotion overwhelm your judgment and you're aiming to write an even-tempered analysis. Glad you're doing this, as personally I wouldn't be able to. That kid's face haunts me and the vile Soviet spectacle of the whole thing leaves me speechless.
But you're nonetheless getting caught up in reverse-emotionslism in calling Emma West "crazy" and implying she's UK's "people of Walmart."
Not your best writing.
If Steve Sailer is "more effective", what are his accomplishments? (In terms of advancing a political agenda, that is.) Has he swayed any elections (even on a local level)? Has he gotten Congressional support for a bill? et cetera. Please clarify how effective he is.
"Why is everyone condescending to this poor woman? She's merely expressing a sentiment in public that many of you keyboard warriors haven't the guts to say when confronted by these same hordes yourselves."
Haven't the guts to scream obscenities at random people on a tram? I hope most people don't have the guts to do that.
Agree with PA. One seems to be unaware of the fact that the English working classes are renowned for their outspokenness and foul language.
One has stated several times that he doesn't "relate" to foreign cultures, even European ones, so maybe he wasn't aware of this aspect of English working class culture, but it goes back centuries.
The self elected AltRight intelligentsia might not relate to Emma's style, or lack thereof, but she DOES NOT deserve prison for expressing an opinion, especially when Somali's can walk free after engaging in aggravated mob assault.
I don't think the context really matters. Just because we like what she's saying doesn't mean we should condone how she's saying it. (That's my basic point.) Plus, I don't think it's appropriate to just go on a rant about immigrants when you're on public transportation. If she wanted a demonstration, OK. If she wanted some public venue like a talk show, OK. But just going into a rant on public transit makes absolutely no sense.
As for the comparison to NAMs: how many videos and stories do we point to about blacks being overly sensitive, causing a scene, jumping up and down in McD's, yelling at people, etc. Almost every day an alt-right site has one of these stories. The fact that her rant is factually right does not excuse that she's very much acting like they do - yelling at strangers, causing a scene, overreacting to a perceived slight, and making something a bigger issue that it is ("why you look at me like that? you is rayyccist").
As one anonymous commenter noted, while you may dislike NAMs, you don't like Whites.
That's absurd and couldn't be further from the truth. Because I don't condone such behavior (as Matt says "yelling at strangers"), I hate whites?!?!
General comment regarding "white trash", "People of Walmart", and general elitism: I've written many posts alluding to my respect for the working class. Given my disdain for academia and my understanding that not everyone can be heart surgeon, I sincerely respect blue collar workers. I don't like or dislike or respect someone based on their job or their income.
But my respect, offered to a member of any class who deserves it, is contingent upon them being upstanding members of society. Instead of describing that in detail, I always like to point to this post from Roissy - these are the people I'm talking about (Then section):
http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2010/08/13/then-and-now-part-two/
Emma West is part the "Now". I don't care if those are my own cousins, they're still not respectable.
The fact that she's in jail might be one of the worst political crimes I've ever witnessed. Police escort off the train and a stern warning would have sufficed.
You know, if we're going to have Sharia in the UK, then those Somalis should be stoned to death for drinking.
Just saying.
Emma West was probably provoked beforehand. Even crazy firebrands don't go on rants like that without some kind of baiting, particularly in a dangerous context like a busy tram. I admire her for speaking her mind. I don't care that she cursed incessantly either. She was probably so frustrated that cursing was the only way she could get her point across, plus she is a member of the working classes where cursing is more normalized. She can't really help being raised that way.
Everytime I encounter rude NAMS (which is frequently) I never have had the courage to do anything other than slink back into a corner while fuming internally. I've been harassed at the ER, at movie theatres, at the park while exercising, , etc. I've seen them get in fights at crowded late-night diners and start slugging eachother with little consideration of anyone who gets in their way. Anyone who lives in close proximity to ordinary NAMs understands the pent-up anger I think. After all, if the only NAMs I came into contact with were the mostly middle class and polite individuals I had gone to high school or my University with, I would probably reflexively condemn the harshness of Ms. West's angry rant too. Where do you live, OneStdv? I'm guessing not in a major metro area, or anywhere south of the Potomac. Upper midwest maybe? Once your area is less insulated maybe you'll start losing your cool too...
How do you know she's a lout? My understanding was that she was being baited for being white. Besides, the issue, as Podsnap adverts to, is rule of law. She's only in the news because of special protections for the feelings of the darker-hued. This incident shows what an egregious phony Hilary Clinton is. Her department is agitating for gay rights all over the world, passing the chance to stand up for the more generalized right of women to free speech.
I know people who immediately doubted the Duke players guilt, based on their knowledge of the law, and what they read about the case.
That's interesting. I immediately doubted their guilt based on projection of my own sexual preferences. Since it's extremely rare for me to find any black woman physically attractive, I assumed the same was true for those kids, and that they wouldn't risk a rape allegation just to grope a downscale black chick. Yes, sexual attraction, not power.
One STDV said, "The fact that she's in jail might be one of the worst political crimes I've ever witnessed. Police escort off the train and a stern warning would have sufficed."
12/09/2011 3:50 PM
Yes, you are correct. I personally escorted many many obnoxious people off of muni buses and streetcars. I always respected their freedom of speech provided there was no physical threats or violence. This woman appears emotionally unstable, yet she is being held for a speech crime. This is horrible and we should all show our support for free speech, not necessarily for her manner of speech.
I sent her a Christmas card showing my support for her right to speak out and expressing my condolences for taking away her children. Send her a card at:
Emma West
C/O HMP Bronzefield
Woodthorpe Rd
Ashford, Middlesex
TW153JZ
England
Ms. West was obviously drunk, or something. If she'd been drunk on a train in Berlin in 1938 and cussed out Hitler, she would have suffered almost exactly the same consequences. (If she'd been drunk on a train in Moscow in 1938... say no more.)
Her crime would have been the same, too: insulting the sovereign principle. It's a little more difficult to recognize lese-majeste when the political formula exalts a community rather than a monarch.
Of course, on the train in Berlin, she'd have been disturbing the peace exactly as in London. That might even have been what she was charged with. But it wouldn't have been her crime.
People need to realize that London has gone from just about entirely white (with some other white Euros and Americans here and there) to around 40% non-white, mostly S.Asians and blacks, in record time. About three decades.
NYC has been ethnically diverse forever and especially since around 1900, when blacks streamed north. We'd had tons of Chinese then for a long time. But they were mostly not trouble makers, but rather sellers of ethnic foods in restaurants and markets.
(Removed prior post to edit it into this one.)
PA--
When people are intimidated by glowering foreigners and start arguing at a point when their pent-up frustration boils over, they rarely sound like Oliver Wendell Holmes. They go into an adrenaline-rush tunnel visions mode and experience a brain blockade past which only the crudest words from the depths of id pass.
She had a small child on her lap. At that moment she felt like a deer circled by wolves. Have more sympathy.
I completely agree PA.
I think we should increasingly say to charges of "racism":
"Racist, racist, racist. What if it is? By your definition of racism anyway. By that definition the truth is racist."
Lara--
I know people who immediately doubted the Duke players guilt, based on their knowledge of the law, and what they read about the case.
I immediately did. So too did Dan Abrams to his credit, who was hosting a legal show I think on MSNBC at the time. He immediately saw tons of holes in her story, and pointed out how non credible she was, and how she had motive for lying.
As well it seem pretty dubious that these lacrosse players in that frat, who were regarded as the biggest white studs/catches on campus pretty much (preppy as well as athletes and all white, meaning lots of them), and hardly need to rape a girl, and a not very good looking black girl at that to get laid.
As well I immediately smell how PC political and rad feminist the whole hysteria was.
OneSTDV--
Also, if I'm not mistaken, Chuck of GLPiggy is of British descent. Maybe even a first generation American of British descent.
His father is a first gen. Brit. He's not.
The goal of the young white racialist should be to affirm the positive in their own race. Emma West represented little that was positive.
Bullshit. She displayed courage and perspicacity. And passion and vitality. And, above all, the will to be free.
One STDV
Just on your comment that Emma West is part of the degenerate 'now'.
Women like Emma West have been around since the Dawn Of Time. So she's a single mum. So what ? We have no idea how the breakup happened. I know in the Roissy playbook all single mums are whores - but reality ain't like that. So she swears a lot - well you see she's kind of an Eliza Doolittle character, a member of the lower classes. She relied on her 'betters' to look after the big picture. Look where that got her.It seems to me that she woke up on that tram and suddenly saw the big picture. The big picture for her-her 'betters' never get on those sort of trams).
Roissy's website on the other hand strikes me as a perfect example of the horrible 'now'. Keyboard warriors boasting about their imaginary exploitations of women. Tools who spend their whole lives worrying abut 'pussy'. Cynics whose ethos is 'to hell with the world as long as I get mine'. A philosopher whose whole thesis falls apart when we bring children into the equation, whose followers are all a bunch of kids who've never been married or had kids themselves.
Love to see a photo of these guys as a 'Now' shot - a bunch of teenage geeks 'peacocking' and dressed up as 'playas'.
I really don't understand all the hand wringing this late in the game. What the fuck are you afraid of? You're afraid that because some white lady swears on a tram somebody is going to see you as a hater? Shit, there was more hate from you, 10842, towards me for defending Emma West, than came from Emma's rant.
Indeed.
Isn't it ironic that Epic Tram Lady's
last name is West?
You know, in light of the fact the West itself is slowly dying by a thousand cuts, many of them self inflicted.
(If she'd been drunk on a train in Moscow in 1938... say no more.)
From what I hear, everyone in Moscow has always got drunk, but they only had 6 miles of public commuter train lines in 1938. Would the excitement of riding the new modern train motivated them to sobriety? I am guessing, no.
I just wish that she had stated her position with more articulation and with less cursing-albeit, I understand her passion completely.
My knee-jerk reaction to sentiments like these are to double-down in defense of Mrs. West. To celebrate the nastier side she represents. Maybe just to stick it to all the cunts on our side too worried about "respectability" and too willing to throw allies overboard.
The sooner the right's "civility" and "moderation" die, the better.
It's just too bad she couldn't have gone off on a bunch of white liberals, preferably of the elite variety, instead of a random collection of foreigners. Not that they'd ever give her the opportunity to get that close to them. I'm not faulting her, since she was probably provoked and would probably even agree with me herself, but if someone in your family invited a bum to live in your house, or if someone in your apartment building let a bunch of bums in to squat there, it wouldn't make much sense to just curse out the bums.
Exactly, Svigor. Who thinks they'll win converts through politeness? The fact that this woman has been jailed for her opinion had her child taken from her and been the recipient of some of the most vile and vulgar threats imaginable has done far more for the cause of Western Civilization than anything. Now do I think jews/lefties who control the message machines have any sympathy for her? No, of course they don't. That's what the internet is for.
How many intellectuals think that way ?
Pretty easy to be cool and tolerant - when you don't give a fuck about anything but yourself.
Good point. Might do to join those things (selfishness, tolerance, and aloofness) at the hip.
For those who excuse this type of loutish behavior because, "well she was angry" or "that's the only thing that works", you can't have it both ways.
Lol. Loutish doesn't mean anything any more. I find it impossible to attach a negative term to someone angry about the destruction of England, even if they hurt someone's feelings in the process. Extremism in pursuit of survival is no vice.
You can't criticize NAMs for acting this way and using that as a justification for why they can't live in civilized society. But then defend Emma West for behaving in the exact same manner.
You seem to be blind to what's really going on here. Emma West was not in Pakistan shitting on Pakis, and the Pakis she's complaining about are not in Pakistan being Pakis. The two are not even remotely the same thing.
since she was probably provoked
Are we linked to some Patriotard site, like Free Republic or something? Is that why people keep saying this?
OF COURSE SHE WAS PROVOKED YOU MORONS, SHE'S HAD HER COUNTRY RACE-REPLACED OUT FROM UNDER HER!
The goal of the young white racialist should be to affirm the positive in their own race. Emma West represented little that was positive.
You're nuts. You think Emma West is more deserving of opprobrium than the out-and-out traitors, cowards, and useful idiots who constitute the bulk of our race.
You also seem more interested in attacking good things, and allies, than is healthy.
I'll take Emma over you any day.
The "number" commenter stinks of troll
Big time.
One,
I usually like your site and agree with most of what you say in this case you are way off base.
There is no female of any mammalian species that will not protect their young even if it means their own life.
I have no doubt Ms. West was provoked or at least felt provoked.
Those of you who condemn her for speaking out with a child on her knee fail to realize that child on her knee is why she spoke out.
The poster who said "we" are Emma West is correct. The difference between most of you and her is she had the courage to speak.
She may speak inelegantly but has done more to wake people up in her few minutes on Youtube than any blogger in the HBD realm.
Does anyone here think the left would treat John Brown the way conservatives treat Emma West? If a Black on the back of the bus in 1950 acted out the way Emma did, would the left throw him under it? Hell, would conservatives? Would conservatives object if a Black slave acted that way in front of massa?
But they object when Emma does it. Telling, that.
Conservatives are unreliable because they're still half-drunk on the Kool-Aid. Luke-warm pussies.
I don't see what the big deal is with this story. Angry proles get angry. It's what they do. There's no point in analyzing their behavior or morally judging them.
They express their pain, in simple ways. It's the responsibility of society's leaders to formulate a morally defensible policy to address those pains.
Ugh. Can we lose the word "prole"?
And yes, Emma West did far more good than harm. Overton's Window? Triangulation?
Leftoids use NAMs as a threat, should the "respectable" types fail to knuckle under to leftoid demands. We can do the same. Deal with us now, or millions of Emma Wests later.
No Emma West, no threat, no concessions.
I just realized it's odd that I loved what and how John Rocker said what he said (and I don't care that he's an aggressive prole), but not so for Emma West.
I honestly don't know the difference though.
I find Emma West much more sympathetic than John Rocker. They're both right, but John Rocker was a millionaire baseball player. He can move his family wherever he likes. Live in all-white gated communities, send his kids to private schools. Emma West will never have those options.
As someone who rode the city bus for years in a very -ahem - richly diverse city, I can attest to the fact that this sort of behavior is par for the course on public transit. News flash: human beings often don't like each other, they are rude, bigoted, and are prone to irrational outbursts. As long as no one gets physically hurt, you just have to deal with it.
I guess Europe has become so pussified that it is now a crime to hurt people's feelings. . . well certain people's feelings at least. I remember back in September, some famous fashion designer was convicted of "racial abuse" in France for saying something anti-semitic at a bar. Well at least we now know that the Diversocrats are resorting to Thoughtcrimes in order to contain dissent of their managerial state.
Epic Tram Lady is being punished for being the wrong kind of white person. She said what a lot of other people have said in England, but she was on bus instead of a wine and cheese tasting party. She was also directly confrontational towards the people who upset her, rather than being passive aggressive, as is the custom of the well bred.
Anyway, here are some awesome bus fight videos. The first one is a black guy on a bus in Korea. The second one is a black woman and Asian woman on a bus in Chinatown, SF. Guess who has the biggest balls
http://bit.ly/tyIeRj
http://bit.ly/7Nv0D
"If a Black on the back of the bus in 1950 acted out the way Emma did, would the left throw him under it? Hell, would conservatives?"
Yes, re. the latter ----- but I don't think any black in 1950 would do such a thing if he valued his or her life. (I can practically feel the swell of sweet nostalgia right now from other commenters!) lol.
From what I hear, everyone in Moscow has always got drunk, but they only had 6 miles of public commuter train lines in 1938.
Can't be more false. The truth:
1. In 1938, Moscow was saturated with tram lines.
2. By September 1938, Moscow Underground was extensive - two lines covering over 30 miles with more than twenty stations.
3. Suburban commuter train system was very well developed.
By the way, Moldbug is right - speaking against party on a commuter train in 1938 would be totally suicidal. I don't really know how it would turn out in 1938 Berlin.
Much love and appreciation to Paul Kersey, Sheila, Svigor, Robert in Arabia, and a few assorted others (including more than a few "Anonymous'") who have rescued this thread from becoming a cesspool worse than what the nauseating comments from the blogger himself (regarding Emma) had laid the ground for it to become. I am really grateful for every one of you who posted in support of her. You are amazing people.
And shame on YOU, OneSTDV.
Emma West's outburst is already a more "valuable" act for "us" than ALL you have written from Day One of your blog, lol. How that must hurt such a high-class, proud and oh-so-important fella like yourself, huh?
Yet, it is true.
God willing, I will be attending the planned December 17th Demonstration outside of the prison where Emma is being held because this sad event has become my "line in the sand",and I have to do something to stand up against it.
Like Sheila, I too am consumed with rage at what is being done to this innocent woman, and am even more disgusted by the White "men" who have so easily turned up their noses and rained down such scorn on her and her children. To those who continue to do that, really, and from my heart: Fuck You.
am even more disgusted by the White "men" who have so easily turned up their noses and rained down such scorn on her and her children.
You're aware that I said we should absolutely defend her, right? That was the whole point of the post - that alt-righters should still defend her because, despite her boorishness, she's still right and part of an attacked class, i.e. whites.
I merely don't like how she presented the argument. Oh well.
As for having my sympathy: she undoubtedly has it. The treatment of her by the British elite is leftist, multicult totalitarianism. I would surely support demonstrating in favor of her, as whites who speak their mind need to be defended. And I have sympathy with her anger - it is after all basically the main topic of this blog!!
But again, I don't appreciate this kind of behavior in public; it's so very NAM-like. Much different than the staid ruggedness of yesterday's working class.
Unbelievable that people can't see the nuance of my argument here.
Actually it really pisses me off that people are not seeing the nuance of my argument.
And it really pisses me off for the few that have extrapolated my position on Emma West to my views on the "prole" class as a whole. While I've always admitted being very much suburban middle-class in my demeanor and upbringing, I do not have an elitist bone in my body.
Sure I don't hunt or go to church or own a pickup truck and I don't have those sorts of friends. But I don't look down on someone because they like those things or because they don't have an office job and get their hands dirty every day. I don't care if someone is dumb as rocks either. As long as they're a good person who has good values.
This is a sense of tolerance, one often absent from suburbia, that I've had far before I became race conscious. And it's something that I've supported in real life too, often surprising people who would take me for an intellectual elitist given my background.
I also wrote a post about it, though didn't quite present it in this exact manner:
http://onestdv.blogspot.com/2010/12/i-dont-care-about-class-and-politics.html
Which re-reading that, it is sort of a defense of Emma West, ironically.
One,
The sad part is that a few commenters will always be unhappy if you try to infuse reason or nuance into these types of arguments. They are out for blood and they don't want the bloggers that they read backing off of a position in any way. In short, they want the blogger to reaffirm the feelings that they hold inside and to keep the pedal to the metal, but when the blogger doesn't come out swinging as hard as they might like, they lash out.
The point is that it is probably true that this woman Emma West is someone you probably wouldn't want to be around in general. Just because she launched a tirade against immigrants doesn't make her someone worthy of our unqualified praise. She seems drunk - which is curious since she's holding her toddler. And if she's not drunk then she's just bombastic.
All of that being said, she's being held in captivity for a non-crime. That travesty trumps any speculation about her situation.
"Haven't the guts to scream obscenities at random people on a tram? I hope most people don't have the guts to do that."
She wasn't screaming at random people, you fool. Or at least...you don't know that. She was likely responding the provocative bullshit those dark hordes were throwing at her such as "we do all the work." It's certainly not far-fetched to think she was provoked and then recorded when she was good and angry so that it would look like she was some crazy lady. That at least seems like a more judicious view than just calling her names like some of the posters here have done.
"I don't think the context really matters."
How can it not matter?
I'm actually shocked that you're really going to take your elitist posturing this far. I'm anti-democratic and generally despise proles but I'm not going to pretend to defend her all while tearing her down at the same time. As a loyal reader of your blog, I mean this in all sincerity: "begrudgingly" supporting is a dishonorable form of modus operandi and rather reeks of typical bourgeois (since we're throwing around labels) chickenshit.
In other words, don't piss on her and tell her it's raining. Either support her or don't support her. Don't effectively say, "yeah, I'm with you but you're pathetic." C'mon, your pontificating in this post has shades of anti-war liberals (who think everything is a "gray" area) trying to rationalize why they still support Obama after Libya.
"Just because we like what she's saying doesn't mean we should condone how she's saying it."
Except we don't really know the full context which, despite what you claim, is important in order to judge the nature of a verbal exchange. Maybe if she initiated some violent act it wouldn't matter but there is more to the story than what we've seen, in my opinion. Also, why not scrutinize what the darkies said to her? Given that one of them said "we do all the work," I find her indignation understandable, at least. They're pissing on her identity and her country and you take issue with bad words, it seems. I don't like nasty language, either. But don't let that keep you from seeing the forest for the trees on this one. Are you yourself that used to whites being run over and disrespected that you think this is no big deal? Imagine if I worked in Japan and told a Japanese person on a subway what that clueless non-white told Emma West? You don't think he'd be upset and rightfully so?
"(That's my basic point.)"
Well, it seems like a pretty petty one given...you know, the nature of the dialogue this whole exchange has prompted about Britain's racial demographics.
"Plus, I don't think it's appropriate to just go on a rant about immigrants when you're on public transportation."
Why? Maybe if more British people did, they wouldn't be in this mess. As others have said, if not her, then who? Certainly the parasitic elite there won't do anything nor will Nick Griffin and the BNP. People like Emma West are the ones that feel this squeeze the most and when they voice themselves about it in their own crude way, you expect them to be something they aren't (as in not proleish).
And if I'm not mistaken, you live in relatively comfortable environment. What if this lady has to put up with these people on daily basis? You don't think that would make some people snap? It's pretty easy to criticize posture and form (by attempting to separate it from the substance) from an ivory tower white-topia.
"If she wanted a demonstration, OK. If she wanted some public venue like a talk show, OK."
Again, you're presupposing that she brought the conflict to a head rather than the other way around. And demonstration? Talk show? What are you talking about? White people in that country don't have a voice. She can't even say what she said on subway let alone in a "public venue" or talk show.
"But just going into a rant on public transit makes absolutely no sense."
It makes plenty of sense to me.
The person posting the video was not a friend of Emma's. Therefore, it's reasonable to assume that what was posted was posted in the form most harmful to her. I doubt she just spontaneously started insulting people as if she Tourette's Syndrome.
Given that one of them said "we do all the work," I find her indignation understandable, at least.
I did not hear them say this.
IF (and this is pure speculation) one had them had said that prior to her rant (or something to that effect that ultimately provoked this rant), then I 100% support her. IF she was provoked by that type of rhetoric from an ingrate immigrant, then she has my full backing and I could not care less about the cursing.
I've been enraged hearing that rhetoric from sanctimonious liberals and gone on rants myself. So if there was some sort of conversation going on or some antagonistic quip and she responded to it, then her behavior and her anger and even her general aggressiveness is wholly appropriate.
From the video, it just appears she randomly decided to start yelling about immigrants, which IMO is inappropriate and unbecoming of upstanding citizens.
I also don't feel like getting into it about elites. Of course they live in whitopias and of course they can comfortably bash this woman while living free from the ravages of 3rd world immigration. It goes without saying and it's obviously implied in basically anything I write.
The black lady said, "if we don't come here, you don't work" and then sort of repeated herself along the same lines. Does that not clue you in on how this parasitic population views their host?
"I also don't feel like getting into it about elites. Of course they live in whitopias and of course they can comfortably bash this woman while living free from the ravages of 3rd world immigration. It goes without saying and it's obviously implied in basically anything I write."
Well, I feel like you're playing a game of elite-lite here with all due respect.
The salient point is this: the invaders will not remain in Britain. By boat or body bag, they will leave. All the liberals are doing is preventing any possibility of a peaceful resolution.
"If she wanted a demonstration, OK. If she wanted some public venue like a talk show, OK."
You think she should have taken the time (time which she might not have had) to organize a formal demonstration before speaking her mind? You think she would have been invited on a talk show?
By saying she should speak up at a "demonstration" or on a "talk show", you're basically saying she should not speak up at all.
You keep talking about "nuance". But it's pointless. There's a time for "nuance," but I don't think this is it. In another circumstance, I might talk about her being (probably) an unmarried mother, or being foul-mouthed. In this case, quibbling about those things is irrelevant.
Off to fire off some letters.
@RVT
You're hanging onto a comforting belief, but it will never come to pass in reality.
Anon - I don't seriously believe that foreigners will take over Europe. At some point, the European peoples will get tired of asking the invaders to leave and start killing them. I don't particularly want that to happen, but the leftoids are determined to leave Europe with no other option to defend herself. Breivik was just the beginning.
"...As for the comparison to NAMs: how many videos and stories do we point to about blacks being overly sensitive, causing a scene, jumping up and down in McD's, yelling at people, etc..."
ONE, come on. The reason we point to those stories is because the basis of blacks's behavior is not reality. They "jump up and down" - and waaaay more - because they are hard wired to do just that. They are inherently violent, less intelligent, etc. Add to that that they have been given the green light to do whatever they want, and...
This woman's "rant" is solidly based in reality. Her presentation was not polished enough for you? Aw, boo hoo. I'm guessing that you have never been pushed to the point of breaking. That you have never had an actual fist fight. We are past the tipping point, and all the polite discourse in the world is not, and has not helped. People are boiling with rage at what is happening to OUR world. People like you tell us "it's coming, be ready!" but when someone lashes out? "she should not have done that, silly wretch"
As was stated, this wretch has more balls than you could ever imagine possessing. Very disappointing analysis, considering that your preferred "style" has failed to turn the tide even an inch. When the SHTF, will you join, or comment from the side?
-Sweep the leg
Jews have an absolute strangle-hold on the media and academia. From cradle to college, the jews have their minds and have been so successful in brainwashing Americans that even christians have put the interests of jews before their own, while those same jews (and the goyim dependent upon them for their livlihood) mock them and everything they value to their faces. I'm just not sure what can be done--but something must because it is almost too late. One thing's for sure, though: the future is going to be ugly.
"If you're ever to find yourself in a position of martyr for free speech or traditional America, it's a guarantee that you will be an imperfect martyr too."
Spot on and eloquently put.
You keep talking about "nuance".
He also probably eats a lot of quiche.
It's staggering to read the Emma West video comments claiming that there is no such thing as an indigenous English people, and that England and Britain have "always" been multicultural. The nonwhite (and sickeningly often, white) "Brits" who espouse these sentiments either really believe them, or really want to convince us that they do. I suspect it's the latter. Apparently every European country has always been a proposition nation; we just didn't know it yet. It goes without saying that for the left it's fine that Pakistanis and Somalis consider their own countries to be blood and soil nations.
Contrast that with what activists like Tim Wise tell us in the US: that we must stop identifying as white people and go back to our original European identities. But go back to Europe, and the European peoples have been deconstructed out of their very existence.
The only choice we're being offered is to disappear.
Stuff like this bitch's ravings here:
rachycakes.wordpress.com/2011/11/29/an-open-letter-to-emma-west-the-racist-on-the-tram/
Forgive me for shattering your illusions, Emma, but “your Britain” doesn’t exist. It hasn’t existed for a long time, and her current survival is to be credited entirely to immigrants.
makes it clear to me that the cultural left isn't willing to compromise on any level. This horrible half-Indian slag demands that England change its self-conception entirely just to suit her special little self.
They won't give a single inch, so I am no longer willing to compromise either.
"From cradle to college, the jews have their minds and have been so successful in brainwashing...."
I normally don't respond to Anonymous comments, but you realize how crazy this sounds, right? Like Hitler crazy. Sorry to bring up Hitler, but Fuck man. . .
10,000 Jews per day exterminated at the peak of Auschwitz's operation. And that was just one death camp among many. When they showed photo and film evidence of this shit at Nuremburg, people were vomiting in the hallway outside the courtroom because they had never seen anything like that before.
10,000 per day takes serious effort. Even as the Soviets were closing in on Warsaw the Nazi's main priority was to squelch the rebellions in the ghetto. They knew they were going down, but they wanted to take out as many Jews as they could on their way out.
The Question of the 20th Century is: how did the most civilized, industrious, culturally advanced civilization in the world descend into utter savagery so quickly? How could these smart Germans let themselves be lead by a bunch of lunatics? It wasn't that long ago! How did they go from making some of the most important contributions to science, music, economics, art. . . to making Jewskin lampshades?
Fair or unfair, this is what people are scared of, I think... way in the back of their mind they know if white people ever ganged up on them, we could just fire up the ovens. Any kind of explicit tribal identity for white people will forever be tainted by the blood of the 50,000,000 people who died in WWII.
way in the back of their mind they know if white people ever ganged up on them, we could just fire up the ovens
Don't be so smug. Asians and blacks have committed genocides that would make Hitler green with envy. (The Rwandan genocide, for instance, killed people at a rate four times greater than the Holocaust at its peak--and that was just using machetes and transistor radios. Imagine how efficient their killing would have been if they'd had Germany's industrial infrastructure.)
Fair or unfair, this is what people are scared of, I think... way in the back of their mind they know if white people ever ganged up on them, we could just fire up the ovens. Any kind of explicit tribal identity for white people will forever be tainted by the blood of the 50,000,000 people who died in WWII.
Yeah, that's part of the burden and responsibility of being the vanguard, epitome and idealized composite of humanity in its entirety (the 'middle-most' hominids between Africans and Asians).
I don't think you'll 'forever be' tainted by WWII; but in the epochal sweep of history, 70 years isn't that long,and it doesn't surprise me in the slightest that much of the current west's political actions are shadowed that war.
Eventually, that will mean: start leading, inspiring and innovating again, and stop complaining so much; for only some now-unforeseen innovation and development will transcend the mess of current arrangments, and not much else.
"We are in the hands of the jews." You know who said this? America's greatest historian and great grandson of John Adams - Henry Adams. Was he crazy too? And Jews are even more dominant and destructive to Western Civilization today than they were over a century ago when Adams said it. So I'm in good company in my craziness. The rest of your appeal to emotion has no effect on me. I don't advocate genocide against anyone, least of all my own people which is what is happening now with jews steering the ship. All I ask of them is that they allow for Western whites what they demand for themselves in Israel. Is that unreasonable?
P.S. Jews were never made into lampshades. That was bullshit.
I'm Sean68. So no longer anonymous.
That Wordpress blog that was linked to has disappeared.
10,000 Jews per day exterminated at the peak of Auschwitz's operation. And that was just one death camp among many. When they showed photo and film evidence of this shit at Nuremburg, people were vomiting in the hallway outside the courtroom because they had never seen anything like that before.
I'm curious, what film evidence are you referring to?
Lots of people vomit the first time they see a dead body en situ, BTW. Lots of people vomit in combat, too. I imagine what a hand grenade does to a person at close range would make me vomit. Hell, I would probably vomit if I ever had to clean a deer.
10,000 per day takes serious effort.
Not really. I came up with a better extermination plan than the Nazis ever did, on the back of a paper napkin in 15 minutes. (If you're curious: build some train tracks that dip into a few hundred yards of concrete filled with water; submerge the prisoner cars for 10 minutes. Far more efficient and clean than the Nazis' plan. You don't have to shelter, feed, or treat the prisoners. Or build camps. You don't have to handle poisonous corpses. No, I have no explanation for why my extermination plan is so much more efficient.)
Even as the Soviets were closing in on Warsaw the Nazi's main priority was to squelch the rebellions in the ghetto. They knew they were going down, but they wanted to take out as many Jews as they could on their way out.
Nonsense. There are far too many reports of Nazis packing up and fleeing the Commies, and taking Jewish prisoners with them, for me to believe that you're describing a general policy. Pay any attention to the actual history presented, and it becomes immediately apparent that the goal of extermination, if it existed, was competing directly with other, contradictory goals. And the latter generally won out.
The Question of the 20th Century is: how did the most civilized, industrious, culturally advanced civilization in the world descend into utter savagery so quickly?
We're talking about the Soviet Union now? I thought we were talking about THE Holocaust.
How could these smart Germans let themselves be lead by a bunch of lunatics?
Wait, now we're back to talking about the Nazis again? You really should use separate paragraphs if you're going to change subjects like that.
It wasn't that long ago!
Something tells me that characterization is going to last a few centuries...
How did they go from making some of the most important contributions to science, music, economics, art. . . to making Jewskin lampshades?
Wait, now we're talking about comic books? I'm confused.
Fair or unfair
Unfair.
this is what people are scared of, I think... way in the back of their mind they know if white people ever ganged up on them, we could just fire up the ovens. Any kind of explicit tribal identity for white people will forever be tainted by the blood of the 50,000,000 people who died in WWII.
Well, maybe we should talk about the root cause of that "taint." Because it sure as hell ain't history. If it were, we'd be far more worried about the "taint" of anti-racism, egalitarianism, and blank-slate-ism, which were the values of the worst butchers of the 20th century. The commies made the racists look like amateurs in the murder and oppression departments.
I really should drive home the fact that calling the Nazis' extermination plan "efficient" is absurd. It may have been "efficient," but not at exterminating anyone. I have no idea what goals would make that plan properly referred to as "efficient." It can only be considered "efficient" in a Three Stooges sort of way.
I also really like how the Nazis are used as an excuse to oppress White people's rights in America and Britain, when these countries were instrumental in putting a stop to the Nazis and have no history of violent ANTI-SEMITISM!!! (in America's case) and are two of the countries historically most welcoming to Jews. And America is the Jewish ETHNO-state's biggest (only?) ally.
Nice way to say thanks. I guess that's gratitude for ya.
That last point is the thing that gets me, Svigor. And I hope any jews reading this take note: WTF did the US do to deserve this? We fought the nazis. We've welcomed you. In the US you've had undreamed of wealth, power, freedom and success. Without us the Nazis might have conquered the planet and succeeded in killing every last one of you. I think that if Europe and the US are eventually subsumed by the third-world, which is the course we are being forced to take, what was the point in our fighting WWII? We might as well have fought with the Nazis. Sean68
Yeah. Jews have this meme, that no matter what they do, they'll be hated. SamsonBlinded dragged this one out recently to support Israel doing whatever it wants in the name of security.
Well, the shoe fits. No matter what we do (say, fight a world war in their interests), Jews are going to try to strangle us to death.
And as far as the taint of genocide, the only people tainted by it are the Nazis, and maybe if you stretch it the Germans who were adults during the war.
The current generation of Germans bears no responsibility for any crimes committed before their birth, and no American or European bears any taint of crimes committed during WWII.
Do modern day Turks carry the taint of their attempted genocide of the Armenians?
If they do you wouldn't know it by going to Turkey or talking to any of them. Not only do they exhibit not the slightest amount of guilt, they triumphantly revel in the past glories of the Ottoman empire and look forward to the increasing role they hope to play in Western Europe due to immigration.
Interesting that Americans and Europeans who not only played no part in Naziism, but have ancestors who fought them, must carry some sort of cosmic burden for generations to come.
The one thing Americans and Europeans can learn from the Turks is to feel no guilt for crimes we're not responsible for, and to triumphantly revel in the glory of Western Civilization. But of course, that might make some rather sensitive souls feel bad about themselves, and we can't have that now, can we?
Any kind of explicit tribal identity for white people will forever be tainted by the blood of the 50,000,000 people who died in WWII.
Tuck it in there rabbi, and go back to reading the talmud.
"Any kind of explicit tribal identity for white people will forever be tainted by the blood of the 50,000,000 people who died in WWII."
At least he's acknowledging that he considers jews as separate and distinct from the goyim. Sean68
"Even as the Soviets were closing in on Warsaw the Nazi's main priority was to squelch the rebellions in the ghetto."
Nonsense. The Warsaw ghetto uprising took place in 1943, following which all surviving Jewish residents were transported by Germans from the city to camps.
The much larger 1945 Warsaw Uprising was ordered by Polish pre-war London-based government-in-exile and led by Polish resistance group Armia Krajowa. AK along with the city's polish residents, including children, fought in this uprising.
Its purpose was to liberate Warsaw in advance of the Soviet army to lay claim for Poland's post-war independence from the USSR.
As the Soviets stopped outside the city, Nazis and their Ukrainian mercenaries were not killing Jews, who no longer were in Warsaw by that point. They were killing and deporting surviving Polish residents of Warsaw.
What the commenter probably had in mind was the Nazi destruction of Warsaw's historic architecture, with Soviets just outside the city. That was on Hitler's orders to obliterate Polish cultural artifacts prior to evaluating the city and "handing it over" to the Soviets.
I really should drive home the fact that calling the Nazis' extermination plan "efficient" is absurd.
Uh, that was my point, genius: The Rwandans were much more efficient at mass murder than the Nazis. Over 1 million people in less than 100 days, all done with machetes. Also, Pol Pot and his Khmer Rouge wiped out 1/3 of the Cambodian people using only AK-47s and plastic bags.
Top that, gringo!
"NYC has been ethnically diverse forever and especially since around 1900, when blacks streamed north. "
NYC was about 94% white in 1940.
Look, I'm just as fed up with current state of racial affairs as the rest of you guys. I'm sick of the white guilt mongering, the snooty decadent liberals, the PC thought police, and the obsessive, neurotic fixation on diversity. I'm sick of being portrayed in the media as racist, depraved, emasculated, bland. I am sick of the constant mockery of Christianity in the media while they promote Islam as enriching and diverse. I am sick of irresponsible politicians who refuse to control illegal immigration while we deal with the fallout. I am sick of the anti-social, retrograde, criminal, welfare dependent, and downright racist elements of black culture. I want my kids to grow up and still have a country and a culture they can be proud of.
But when you start talking about Jew mind control or hint at the cleansing of "NAMS," I become convinced that there will be no reasonable political option for my race without being associated with war and genocide.
My point was, the last time white ethnonationalism was attempted it resulted in the Holocaust. I'm not saying that whites are uniquely evil in this regard. As other commenters have pointed out, other groups of people have done it, too. But shouldn't that tell you something (especially you HBD folks) about human nature? Time and time again, racial nationalism quickly spirals out of control into violence. I mean, from my experience, even black Americans find frank expressions of racial nationalism distasteful and unpopular.
The commenter nikcrit has a point: white people, as the racial vanguard, so to speak, are held to a higher standard. Whether other races admit it openly or not, white people are seen as the race of people who have moved the human race forward. So I do think we are capable of protecting our interests without resorting to Jew and NAM hatred.
So I do think we are capable of protecting our interests without resorting to Jew and NAM hatred.
I agree. I quite like Yockey's "Culture Distorter" term. That set includes the whole sorry lot whereas the others inculde friends and allies.
white people..... are held to a higher standard.
If we are to be held to higher standard then we deserve to be treated with respect as it was in the old days. Having a higher standard is the same as being noble. Royalty are held to the highest standards. Alternatively, the "others" should be just as constrained by political correctness and be able to fearlessly mocked for their beliefs as white Christians are.
It's not "mind control;" it's controlling the parameters of what's acceptable to think and say because they have an utter domination of the media. And what about the massive hypocrisy and double standards? Have you not noticed that jews are liberal and anti-racism everywhere except israel, in which case they are right-wing and very much in favor of racial marriage and immigration laws designed and implemented to keep israel jewish? The number of "liberal" jews in the West who have denounced israel's racist immigration and marriage laws you can count on one hand. I don't know whether you're jewish, but if you aren't, wake the fuck up. Sean68
OneSTDV said:
"Sure I don't hunt or go to church or own a pickup truck and I don't have those sorts of friends. But I don't look down on someone because they like those things "
Heh--I love it. So am I to understand that where ever you live out East that only da po folk hunt?
Funny that one--considering how expensive hunting is when you don't own serious acreage. Really funny considering my daughter at an Ivy League school out east has been invited to several hunts--one being a genuine plantation hunt. She's a great shot--I taught her. When she gets home for Christmas this week, we are going shooting down at the club.
See, One, a good shotgun runs between $2,500.00 and $25,000.00. I don't think too many rednecks can afford that sort of thing. A good dog runs another $2,000.00 plus training. Mine were imported from England and have BadgerCourt Druid as their ancestory--4 times.
http://gundogsdotnu.hypermart.net/cgi-bin/geneal.pl?op=tree&index=193&gens=5&db=springer.dbw
Champion dogs are not cheap. Badgercourt Druid was/is considered the finest Springer ever to compete. They are the finest pheasant dogs money can buy.
Hunting starts here in September--goose hunting in Canada, grouse hunting in Minnesota. Next up is pheasant hunting in October in Minnesota and the Dakotas with duck hunting coming in late October. We hunt pheasant until either the snow and cold shuts it down or December 31st. Then we go to shooting matches at gun clubs--hardly the range of a typical redneck. A three day trip to S. Dakota will run you a couple grand each. A trip to Canada will run thrice that easily--but my wife's family has a lodge and lake in Saskatchewan, so for me it's largely free. The gun club is a lot of fun. The one I belong to was originally called the Minneapolis Gun Club and was started by the Daytons and Pillsburys--
http://www.horseandhunt.com/
We have always had our own lands to hunt as well--currently about 3,000 acres between our two families. Down from its peak 25 years ago.
Hunting is a Gentleman's past time. Men who don't are wussies. It's a family tradition thing.
http://www.fws.gov/hunting/huntstat.html
So, here is an invite to you, One. You let me know when you're ready, and I'll host you on your first hunting trip. Lawrence Auster has been here--he will tell you how beautiful it is here. A sportsman's paradise.
@ “So I do think we are capable of protecting our interests without resorting to Jew and NAM hatred.” --MGE
I don’t consider myself a Jew obsessive (see e.g., one of my recent blog entries: an article by Wm. Pierce). Nevertheless, the Jew problem is a huge problem. See e.g., this entry in another of my blogs.
Lawrence Auster (a former Jew turned Christain) admits there is a Jewish problem with Jewish Liberals being at the forefront of liberalism. I have conservative Jewish friends who see this as well--and really regret and rue it. But they aren't the only ones. Leftist Catholics are responsible for much damage in this country as well--the only thing "conservative" about Catholics is the abortion and homosexual problems. Everything else is very liberal--including immigration. Orthodox Jews are very conservative people. They keep a low profile because they do not want to draw attention to themselves. It's the "Reform" Jews who are Leftards. By, as I have said, they are far from being alone on this. Plenty of dysfunctional whites have the same mentality and behave the same way--my own sisters are a case in point. That's why I got them to move the West Coast 25 years ago--because they were embarrassing in their behavior in a place like I live where "everyone" knows everyone else. They fit in out there and no one here knows what they are up to.
Thanks for mentioning Auster. See what we say about him here. We are not saying that the Jewish Problem is the main problem for the West, only that the extent to which the JP affects whites is not apparent for the layperson, not even for those conscious that race matters. See e.g. this prologue to one of the best studies about the JP to see what I mean.
Uh, that was my point, genius
And who the fuck are you, genius? I have no idea what point you're even referring to.
My point was, the last time white ethnonationalism was attempted it resulted in the Holocaust.
Your point is to ignore arguments you don't like. Re-read my comment (or more accurately, anyone who finds your dodging persuasive should re-read my comment, since I doubt your sincerity).
The only thing we can do with regard to jews is demand as loudly and publicly as we can that they embrace or denounce israel's explicitly racist immigration and marriage laws. Don't just say "zionism" as most people have only a vague idea of what that means. Be specific. Make high profile liberal jews like Jon Stewart or Bill Maher, who have never missed an opportunity to attack any effort made by whites to control their national borders, differentiate israel from, say, Arizona.
If they refuse--and they will--then that will help people to see the same "liberal" jews who try to smother in the cradle any effort by Americans or Europeans to control white Western demographics are not acting out of universal principal but rather ethnic self-interest.
I hope that was clear.
What would Jefferson's eloquence and Washington's leadership have accomplished without the courage of a lot of ill-bred patriots? Emma West had the grit to call out the multi-cult to their faces, and people quibble about her coarseness, as if video of a White woman saying "fuck" would undermine the credibility of any defense of White interests. How is her behavior even remotely comparable to the various unprovoked assaults on Whites that have been posted online in the last year? What kind of White can see the speck in Emma's eye, and forget the beams in Shaniqua and Laquansha's eyes?
the last time white ethnonationalism was attempted it resulted in the Holocaust.
That's ignorant and idiotic. The countries which fought and defeated the Nazis were themselves white and ethno-nationalist states.
MGE - Any kind of explicit tribal identity for white people will forever be tainted by the blood of the 50,000,000 people who died in WWII.
God, you're stupid, and your entire knowledge of WWII could fit in a postage stamp. WWII was not a race war, not a war of whites against non-whites. The Nazis spent the entire war fighting with other white people. Even the Jews who you seem to be so hung up on were white people. If a tribal identity for white people had existed in 1939 there would probably not have been any war. It was the absence of such an identity which made the war possible.
Retrospectively, nothing revolts me more about my former association with Gates of Vienna that the site admin’s militant blindness to see the Jewish Question when confronted with data and arguments. Jews and crypto-Jews deceptively posing as gentiles at that site do not bother me as much as the sin of this gentile. If evil is “consistently self-deceiving, with the intent of maintaining a self-image of perfection,” as Scott Peck says, then the self-righteous, counter-jihadist gentiles who support Israel and that, with zero arguments when challenged, hate anti-Semites are the epitome of Western evil in today’s world.
But the gentile admin of Gates of Vienna is not alone with this willful, evil blindness in the counter-jihad movement. This month at Toronto, the famed author Mark Steyn said that Western society is complicit in a resurgence of anti-Semitism that may lead to a second Holocaust, for which humankind will have no excuses. “There is something profoundly wicked in the contortions that Europeans are willing to make with respect to their own complicated history with the Jewish people,” said Steyn. “We are on the verge of the biggest, most disgusting and evil event of all, in part because of the complicity of the West” (cf. the Jewish Tribune article where these statement and many other similar statements by Steyn on “anti-Semitism” have been recorded).
Either Steyn, like admin of Gates of Vienna, is evil by willfully setting aside from his consciousness the vast pool of information about the role of the Jews in the ongoing Western collapse, or he has not heard this sort of info during his long career as an intellectual who presumably defends our civilization.
There’s no third possibility [...]
Read it all!
This month at Toronto, the famed author Mark Steyn said that Western society is complicit in a resurgence of anti-Semitism that may lead to a second Holocaust, for which humankind will have no excuses.
Hysterical Jews like Steyn had better stop accusing everybody and his brother of being Holocaust enablers, or they'll end up like the boy who cried wolf. It's really not a good idea to spit in the faces of the very people who saved their asses in WWII. Next time we might not bother.
If evil is “consistently self-deceiving, with the intent of maintaining a self-image of perfection,” as Scott Peck says, then
He's obviously an arch-ANTI-SEMITE!!!
That's easily the most ANTI-SEMITIC!!! definition of evil I've ever read. It basically sets Ashkenazis as the standard.
“There is something profoundly wicked in the contortions that Europeans are willing to make with respect to their own complicated history with the Jewish people,” said Steyn.
Talk about projection/pot-meet-kettle/moral inversion.
That one just takes the cake.
Svigor,
Now you will have an idea why, contrary to all appearances, deep psychology is truly germane for white nationalism. It can explain stuff that mere history or social studies can’t.
In fact, Greg Johnson was the first nationalist I know to quote Peck extensively when analyzing the tribe (here).
Have you seen the excerpts I linked above (again, here) taken from an academic treatise of a Jew who specializes in explaining “anti-Semitism”?
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