Guys like those profiled in the link are an easier, and obvious, target. Their put-on "swagger" screams phony. So what then of the more furtive wigger - the "intellectual wigger" who dons not the clothes and mannerisms of the black underclass, but instead their paranoid complaints and unbridled hatred of the "White Man."
In one of his more contentious articles, Steve Sailer referred to then-candidate Barack Obama as follows:
The brutal truth: Obama is a "wigger". He's a remarkably exotic variety of the faux African-American, but a wigger nonetheless. He has no ancestors who were slaves in the U.S. Moreover, his upbringing by his white mother and Indonesian stepfather in Indonesia and by his white grandparents in Hawaii, where mixed-race children are close to the norm, was almost wholly divorced from African-American life … except for what he could see and aspire to on TV.Sailer does not expand on this idea though, as he assumes the reader has familiarity with Obama's tortured quest for black authenticity. In sum, Obama's heritage and upbringing precluded any reasonable attempt at "acting black." Further, his general probity and intellectualism likely made conspicuous displays of "blackness" largely unattractive, exempting his 2007 campaign speech to Southern black clergy. He couldn't go the full-on wigger route because it just doesn't suit him nor did it fit into his various peer groups at Columbia, Harvard, and big Law.
And so here's the conundrum of post-adolescent, intellectually-minded wiggers - how to fashion oneself an passionate admirer of blacks without undermining one's respectability in white society. How does the intellectual wigger adopt blackness, in their view the only means of garnering cultural vibrancy, yet maintain their credibility in a status-conscious middle-class? Of course, this problem depends largely on the assumption that gold teeth and blasting Rick Ross don't find favor amongst middle-class 30-somethings.
As we see for Obama and the other two most prominent intellectual wiggers, Bill Ayers and (the odious) Tim Wise, they present a highly intellectual version of black paranoia and race hatred. Instead of couching their wiggerism in the context of bling and rap, they present it in the context of academia. The attendant respect given to academia provides a buffer against criticism as in this post. Bill Ayers named his son Malik and Zayd after Malcolm X and a murdered Black Panther, yet frames this as a struggle for equality. (The odious) Tim Wise speaks like an out-of-work Southern black preacher, yet presents himself as a "leading anti-racist" with lots of abstruse discourse to befuddle just about anyone who listens to him rant. Their PhD's and flowerly Ivory Tower speak obscures what's basically just standard ideas out of the black ghetto.
So instead of co-opting black constructs associated with the lower-class and youth, these intellectual wiggers adopt, then varnish ghetto black racialism. Same immaturity, same underlying motivations, but presented in a glossier package.
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While most white suburbanites adopt some form of wiggerism in their youth (myself included)
Wait, you were a wigger? With the sideways cap, baggy jeans and rap music?
Btw, I think in the South (which, ironically, is wigger central), wiggerism lasts well into the late twenties/early thirties. I've seen this myself on my visits there (mainly Florida and Georgia).
Coincidentally, Florida and Georgia also appear to be mudshark central, as well as wigger central.
Bill Ayers named his son Malik and Zayd after Malcolm X and a murdered Black Panther
This ties into the debate over SWPL vs true leftists.
SWPLs wouldn't give their kids names like these, but an actual believer would. In the status jockeying, you're just supposed to show you care about these issues, not that you're consumed by them.
In the same vein, SWPLs (who, despite what everyone thinks, are actually HBD aware) adopt Chinese and Korean babies (almost always girls), while true leftists and Evangelical conservatives adopt black kids.
As to the intellectual wiggerism, true leftists like Wise and Ayers buy into that crap, but SWPLs know what the deal is.
Good post. I was a wigger during parts of high school because I hung around other wiggers. Most of them did not have the intellectual ability to go to a real college (or college at all for that matter) so I would have been out of place, that is, dressing like a wigger in a college setting. The only people my age that I know from high school who are still wiggers (I am aged 29) never went to college and work very menial jobs. I have no contact with them and only know of this through their Facebook pictures (not even friends on FB -- they have an open profile).
Correction: Tim Wise does not have a PhD, only a BA from Tulane.
In my job, I see 'Wiggers' every day; the following clip could serve as a composite; the clip also happens to be among the funniest bits of television i've seen in years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82Jg-Omwmo4
In my job, I see 'Wiggers' every day; the following clip could serve as a composite; the clip also happens to be among the funniest bits of television i've seen in years.
You're such a predictable buppie, nik. I knew what clip that was going to be before clicking it. :)
I like the part where the black cops staking them out complain about the whites plagiarizing yet another product of their culture.
Wait, you were a wigger? With the sideways cap, baggy jeans and rap music?
No, I was what I've referred to as a "soft-wigger." I wore moderately baggy clothes and some wigger clothes like plain white tees or baggy basketball shorts. I did only listen to rap (sort of idolizing 2Pac and Eminem), but didn't blast it in my car. I thought hanging out with black kids or adopting black culture was how to garner cultural vibrancy and that being "white-bread" was a bad thing.
Basically, I was a very subtle, middle-class version of a wigger.
SWPLs wouldn't give their kids names like these, but an actual believer would. In the status jockeying, you're just supposed to show you care about these issues, not that you're consumed by them.
Well SWPLs do glorify foreign culture by eating hummus, studying abroad, learning foreign languages, complaining about "stupid Americans."
But I get your point and it's not something I disagree with. SWPLs do likely know the score, but my point is that the SWPL class is where entrenched leftism resides. And you appear to agree by stating they "show [they] care" about these issues.
Drop Wise and Ayers in down town Detroit and see how far their bullshit takes them.
Everything they do is for show and monetary gain.
I'd give anything to have:
a)Private education be abolished
b)The worst students from the worst schools being sent to the very best (newly made public) schools. So you'd have tear-aways from the Bronx being bused to schools like Dalton, Spence, Dwight, Collegiate, Nightingale-Bamford, Loyola etc.
Of course, none of this will ever come to pass in a million years, but a guy can dream of the elites getting a taste of diversity.
Hey, One, do you still listen to rap?
I've noticed a similiar hivemind among aging hipsters. It usually takes the form of showing excessive appreciation for underground/emerging hip-hop acts, old black music that black people no longer listen to, the NBA, and lionizing former Black Panthers, especially Angela Davis.
They also make the conscious choice to live in nice, redeveloped neighborhoods near the urban core that aren't very far from high crime black neighborhoods instead of "lily" white suburbs. They still try to place their children in private or charter schools, but will also put them in majority black public schools if either of the above options are unavailable and consider it a "broadening" experience.
While most white suburbanites adopt some form of wiggerism in their youth (myself included)...
This was me when I was 15 years old. I grew out of it and into classic rock and "tough man" white culture when I was 16. My "wigger" period did not last long.
"I was a wigger during parts of high school because I hung around other wiggers. Most of them did not have the intellectual ability to go to a real college (or college at all for that matter) so I would have been out of place, that is, dressing like a wigger in a college setting. The only people my age that I know from high school who are still wiggers (I am aged 29) never went to college and work very menial jobs."
You touch on something that has left me intrigued -- and somewhat confounded -- for many years.
I'm 41, probably a little older than many of you. And I went to high school with the same guys you describe above. Only at that time, circa 1986, they weren't wiggers. They were rock guys: the stoners, the burnouts, the dudes whose world revolved around Zeppelin and Floyd and AC/DC.
The shift happened not long after my time in high school. I recall watching some of my buddies' younger brothers transform into wiggers (though that wasn't the label yet), when just two or three years earlier, those same guys would have wound up in the black-T-shirt-and-muscle-car subculture I described above.
Even as a 20-year-old at the time, just two or three years older than some of these kids, I was perplexed by the whole thing, because it just seemed to come out of the blue.
So it was literally sometime between 1987 and 1989 that this dramatic shift took place.
I say it intrigues and confounds me because I've always wondered exactly what precipitated the shift. What happened in the high-school halls and lunch rooms during that time to shake up the social dynamics so abruptly? What conditions changed, or what gave way?
The kids who became the smoking-patio rock burnouts in '86 didn't interact or identify with black classmates to any significant extent. There was no social pressure being applied there. There was no particular fascination or respect. But somehow, in 1989, that same class of kids was suddenly interacting and feeling pressure and being fascinated.
I don't think it's enough to say, "Well, hip-hop culture really emerged during that time," because there's some chicken-and-egg there (i.e., hip-hop culture became big because white kids decided to adopt it, and "why did they adopt it" is the whole question here). Something else had to be going on. Some other force must have suddenly come into play. I just don't know what it is, and I'd really like to.
I was never ever remotely a wigger, though I was raised in an upper upper middle (and lower upper) exurb of lefty liberal NYC.
Well I guess that's a difference between the (tail end of) the baby boomer generation and x and esp. y that followed.
Burn (Jewish leftist) MTV to the ground!!!
"why did they adopt it" is the whole question here
Because MTV started pushing really heavily in the late '80s. I remember big debates in the media in the mid-80s over whether MTV was "racist" because the only black musicians shown on MTV were Michael Jackson and Lionel Richie. Then suddenly MTV started showing almost nothing but rap and hip hop, with nary a white face to be seen on it.
TC,
By the late eighties, arena rock had grown too cheesy. The newly ascending Grunge genre coming out of the Pacific NW was for proto-emos who sat in their darkened rooms cutting themselves and writing bad poetry.
Hip-hop acts like 2 Live Crew and NWA burst onto the teenage scene in a very big way toward 1990. It was highly aggressive, hyper-masculine, misogynistic, homophobic, etc.
I think people who talk about 80s style metal being as aggressive as rap are slightly mistaken. Hair metal was more drinkin'-n-fighting type of aggression, basically the mosh-pit kind of masculinity.
Rap, on the other hand, was pure, violent, murderous energy in the form of music. The fact that the artists were mostly criminals only added to the sense of badassery behind it. At the end of the day, Axl Rose was still a former choir boy. These new guys, however, were sociopaths or something very close to it. It's hard to compete with the menacing energy of someone who's had violence beaten into him since he's a child, it really came through in the music.
So if a young male wanted to harness some of the new, violent aggression for himself, an AC/DC t-shirt just wasn't gonna cut it anymore. It was now about dressing like you just walked out of Compton, even if you lived in a lily-white hamlet in Maine.
At the end of the day, Axl Rose was still a former choir boy. These new guys, however, were sociopaths or something very close to it.
There were still plenty of "choirboys" in rap. The most popular rap act in the late 80s, Run DMC, were in reality nice suburban middle-class momma's boys who fashioned a badass ghetto image to appeal to aggro kids.
Burn (Jewish leftist) MTV to the ground!!!
What for? All they're making today is reality shows.
...wait a minute.
Oh, and the fact that the new rap music was unbelievably racist towards Whites only added to the appeal.
In the Roissy-ite view of things, think of White, suburban teenagers as the hot girl who needs to be gamed. Think of respectable black musicians like Lionel Ritchie as the supplicating betas and violent, racist rappers as the aggressive alphas don't give a fuck what the girl thinks. Who did the hot chick (young, White America) give her heart to?
Turn on MTV and it's sister channels to find out.
By the way: If this post is a continuation of sorts to the stuff PA brought up in the OWS post comments, I'd like to see the debate there continue.
Who are the true black-lovers - wiggers or SWPLs?
Who are the true black-lovers - wiggers or SWPLs?
Well, in Florida I saw plenty of male wiggers with black girls (something I hardly ever see with SWPLs and hipsters) and female wiggers with black guys.
If love of blacks is being measured by literally loving blacks, then wiggers (and rednecks, ironically) have the SWPLs beat by a long mile.
Rednecks also seem to be getting into the miscegenation action. From a comment I made on a previous post:
When visiting Georgia a few years ago, I saw this guy getting out of his pickup truck at a gas station wearing a t-shirt with a Confederate flag emblazoned across it. I assumed he was just a local redneck type, but then his black girlfriend got out of the passenger seat and they went into the station's shop together.
I found the whole thing really weird.
Aside from Florida and (to a lesser extent, Georgia), Houston, Texas is another racemixing free-for-all zone.
I'm still trying to understand why this kind of thing is more common in the South.
Fantastic post. If one of these people you speak of ever reads your post it will cut them to the bone.
I'm still trying to understand why this kind of thing is more common in the South.
Maybe that's historically been the case in the South and Jim Crow and the anti-miscegenation laws of yore were a response to it? After all, you don't bother making laws against things people don't want to do anyway, do you?
I'd like to propose something akin to prole drift: wigger/nigger drift. I've noticed alot of prole men who adopt some of the sartorial affectations of blacks (baggy jeans and t-shirts, hoodies, whatever the baseball cap it is they wear, earrings, the haircut Obama and every other black male sports) although not to the comical, tripping over your own pants extremes I've seen. This was confined to a geographical region in which there were quite a few blacks, but they aren't the majority. I do not think this was done self-consciously, which is contrary to the young wigger who will go out of his way to ape black mannerisms, dress, and musical tastes. Rather, it is a gradual blackening of the manners and mores of prole whites. This is something that I've noticed only in the way prole whites dress, and it would be interesting to see if this genuine, unaffected blackness has spread in other ways.
One point needs to be clarified... most rappers from the late 80's/early 90's were not violent felons.
Many, including a couple of guys from NWA, were middle class. Of course, being a middle class black person means you are only an arms reach from the ghetto and it's dysfunction.
But many middle class blacks were smart enough to sell aspects of ghetto culture to white America without drowning in the same pathology.
And I agree with a previous comment about the rapid shift in the early 90's from metalheads to wiggers.
I'm 42, and I graduated H.S. in 87', and no one would have been caught dead acting like a wigger.
But by 91', the wigger trend had been firmly established.
MTV played a HUGE part in this shift.
What about those of us who admire stuff Black guys did say, 70 years ago:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8yGGtVKrD8
But find pretty much all Black music since say, 1980 to be totally worthless? Where do we fit in? Heck probably far more White guys would even know who Cab Calloway was, than Black guys. Much less the Nicholas Brothers. Most SWPL would know who Miles Davis was, and could even identify some of his music, most Black guys would think he was a nerdy White accountant on the Office played by Rainn Wilson.
Guys like say, oh Norman Mailer adopt a hyper-masculinity because they are unsure of themselves. That includes Intellectual Wiggers. Save Ellis and Branford Marsalis, I'd be hard pressed to identify any Black music after Michael Jackson's "Off the Wall" album as being worthwhile in any way.
Don't forget Norman Mailer was the original Wigger. In his essay "White Negro" he urged hipsters to adopt the manners of a Black street pimp. Because it was cool or something (in reality, just criminal and stupid).
Whiskey not everyone likes soul/jazz/blues/RnB.
I'm not really a rap fan, but I think G-funk era West Coast rap completely blows away anything that came out of Motown.
I just prefer something with a hard beat, that doesn't mean rap is worthless compared to Earth,Wind and Fire or whatever it is you like.
I'm like a few if the others here who graduated high school in the late 1980s, and your comments are spot on. Low SES guys were all about heavy metal, and many were genuinely a threat if you were a preppier kid of the same age. In their defense, while they looked for fights, they always kept it fair: one on one. Most had that sulky bravado but could actually be a lot of fun and pretty nice if you got know them. Some were just assholes: think Todd in Beavis & Butthead.
But whigger was unheard of in my area until around 1991.
One other thing you'll see: prole/metalhead girls were all thin, and many quite hot. After the culture-change, all became obese.
True about music. In 1992, GnR and Metallica still kept the rock culture alive, but Grunge was the new thing, and that was more for the upscale/college crowd. (I loved Grunge BTW). Prole had only shit like "insane in the membrane."
Whiskey, the Beat/Mailer black culture thing was high-concept experimental artist posture. Today's whigger is a low grade, low iq, no self-awareness, cultural exhaustion phenomenon.
@PA
People always say Southern prole girls are obese, but in my experience they only begin to get that way from their late twenties onward.
Southern prole girls are hot from their teens to mid-twenties. They're dumber than a box of rocks, sure, but I think they're more smokin' than girls of a similar age from other regions and social classes. They're also well versed in how to please a man.
I know from personal experience. :-)
Long live the South!
@Anonymous 2:13PM: There was an Upper-West-Side private school--Walden--that back in the 70's enriched its otherwise-upper-middle-class-UWS-mostly-Jewish-and-very-leftist student body with black and hispanic kids from farther uptown. They attended thanks to either full-ride scholarships or some form of adjusted tuition. Problem was, the more of them that showed up, the more the parents of the UWS kids sent their progeny elsewhere. The result was predictable--the school went out of business.
Hey, One, do you still listen to rap?
While I spent my entire youth listening to rap, I absolutely hate it now. I can barely make it through an entire song.
Re MTV:
Well they don't play music videos anymore (haven't since the mid-90s). If you go by their reality shows, which is basically all they have now, I wouldn't say they're too involved in pushing hip-hop as they were say 20 years ago. If we take The Real World as an indicator of the network as a whole, it's more general liberalism - teen moms, gays, sexuality, "young people". And not to go all Whiskey here, but MTV is probably more gay/female-oriented than anything nowadays.
Yeah, MTV got the whole wigger thing rolling, but other channels & venues have taken up the slack left by MTV's transition to lib-agenda "reality" shows.
I have no doubt that MTV's transition from rock to hip-hop and rap videos crashed their ratings for videos, leading them to their much maligned abandonment of videos in favor of reality shows.
Wise and Ayers aren't really attempting to exalt blackness. Rather, they are attempting to mask their fear of white Supremacy, a near impossible standard that is understood as "the white man's burden." The one blind spot in the HBD-sphere is the easily understandable idea that "liberal man" is not really confined by the Darwin paradigm. He is confined by white Supremacy. It has oppressed him. He is a self-annihilator. Pretends to be sublime. Purposely breaks a chain that goes all the way back in time. Evolution happens at population levels, but first it happens in a line. Linear layout. A=>B=>C... Chain reaction. Links distinct. Some people choose to die. That's Ayers. That's Wise. Self-annihilators, outside the evolutionary paradigm. Fear of white Supremacy, their wiggerism is just a sign of their decline. Anti-white Supremacists because they consciously subvert Darwin's paradigm. Turn survival on its head. Their wiggerism is evidence of a certain resign. Quitting on white Supremacy. Ayers and Wise, no time for the divine. Transcendent yardstick taking measurements that the radical liberal despise. This wiggerism isn't black flattery. It's the white boy's fear in confronting all the "white lies." Equality is like acid in the white Supremacist's eyes. But it's like an elixir to the radically liberal guys. An effortless leveling of the playing field fit for the most pathetic of kinds. The self-annihilator. That's Ayers and that's Wise. Anti-white Supremacists because the bar is set too high. Self-annihilators because freedom is the right to die.
@Randian
While the main MTV channel doesn't show music videos anymore, it's sister stations do.
Why do people forget that there are now several MTVs?
"Don't forget Norman Mailer was the original Wigger"
Uh-uhh; not even close; the first Whigger? That's a tough one, but i'd suggest Mailer's spiritual 'Tate': Al Jolson
(I nominate Whiskey as this blog's official Carl Van Vechten; he's an original: a race-realist negrophiliac! (lol!)
"I have no doubt that MTV's transition from rock to hip-hop and rap videos crashed their ratings for videos, leading them to their much maligned abandonment of videos in favor of reality shows."
well, you should have doubts, because the reality is almost the exact opposite of what you're certain of; after its spectacular run through the '80s, mtv was being crtiticized for becoming rote, with a bland heavily formatted pop-n-metal vid format, AND ITS RATING PLUMMETED; they eventually fired its progammer Bob Pittman (who was falsely maligned as racist), and began playing rap videos (nee initiating black-artist vids via michael jackson's 'billie jean' vid) and soon thereafter mtv's ratings took off again ..... Rap was the huge rainmaker/revitalizer in the late '80s/early '90s; it was both a new genre in itself while providing a rejuvenating sheen to traditional pop formats. whether or not you agree with that from a artistic sense is one thing, but it WAS certainly true in terms of being a financial boondoggle to the music industry.
Revelation: the titans of the pop-music industry didn't promote rap to sate any deep-rooted p.c. lust and to promote miscegenation; it's about the Benjamins! Do you think corporate characters like Judy McGrath n Tom Freston pumped up people like Tupac Shakur and Digital Underground because of some quest to undermine White America? I mean, McGrath, the longtime head of programming at MTV, came from Mademoiselle magazine!
I graduated from high school in '76, and there was neither MTV nor wiggers around. Like most of those I attended high school with, I went to an all-White elementary school, and my first encounter with blacks in middle school was something of a shock. By high school racial lines were drawn, and the the prole Whites kept quite apart from the blacks; the pathology had not yet miscegenated.
Class of '81 here; well before rap and wiggers. MTV started in 1980 - "video killed the radio..." and it was mostly all rock, round-the-clock commercial free - Led Zep, AC/DC, Aerosmith, Petty, Van Halen, et al. No droopy pants; all concert t-shirts and Nikes or work boots. This was in a 90% white middle-class Boston suburb. It's now a bit rougher and 25% Puerto Rican.
Back then, almost all of the attractive, popular girls smoked; they're not so attractive now. The White girls on today's reality shows seem to act like wiggers, drink heavily, and still smoke.
I'm still trying to understand why this kind of thing is more common in the South.
Probably because the south has more lower and lower middle class whites than other regions of the country.
"When visiting Georgia a few years ago, I saw this guy getting out of his pickup truck at a gas station wearing a t-shirt with a Confederate flag emblazoned across it. I assumed he was just a local redneck type, but then his black girlfriend got out of the passenger seat and they went into the station's shop together."
I saw the inverse happen once a few years ago. A 1980's Ram Charger with a full Rebel flag rear windshield pulled in front of gas station while I was filling my truck. A black guy got out and his fat white girlfriend followed.
Funny world, innit?
I like the part where the black cops staking them out complain about the whites plagiarizing yet another product of their culture.
I liked it too, because it seems almost deliberately absurd. Blacks steal anything that isn't nailed down. And 95% of their culture is "stolen" from Whites. And the people doing the "thieving" are aping Black pathology. And the dyke doing the complaining looks half SE Asian.
I'm assuming the clip is from The Wire, here; I didn't follow the link.
TC, I know exactly what you're talking about. I'm about 3 years younger than you, and when I moved to Maryland from Georgia, I fell in with a "wigger" set. Actually, not wigger, because there was a large hard-core wigger set at my HS and it was easy to spot the difference. They had hair that looked like Vanilla Ice's - you couldn't dent that shit. They all swaggered around like negros. They all wore Starter jackets. We were "yo boys," I think was the term. But our clique was fairly diverse, unlike the wigger set.
Personally, I was raised to racially aware to ever worship blacks, think highly of them, or reject my own racial heritage. I listened to rap, but I did not adopt any new way of talking - Black "dialect" is generally a Southern "dialect" so I already talked sort of "ghetto" anyway. P.S., rap had some promise then (e.g., I listened to Tribe Called Quest and Black Sheep a lot). I listened to rock more, though.
Anyway, at my HS, the low-rent heavy metal types remained; they were the hard-core "rednecks" who couldn't be bought off so cheaply, lol.
Oh, as for why "white trash" jump into wiggerism, it's really quite simple; perceived social status, propped up by the media. Many rednecks will do pretty much anything to distinguish themselves against their fellow rednecks. And wigger-rednecks really do think that being wiggers means they're no longer rednecks; hand on my heart here, they really do!
EVERYONE KNOWS that blacks are beyond criticism. EVERYONE KNOWS that aping blacks means grabbing some of that Teflon for themselves. Consciously or not, they KNOW.
And they act accordingly.
I was never ever remotely a wigger, though I was raised in an upper upper middle (and lower upper) exurb of lefty liberal NYC.
Okay, what's an exurb again? Do urban kids even become wiggers? I've always thought it was a suburban phenomenon.
It's definitely a down-market phenomenon; kids too dumb to know there's a pecking order beyond television.
There were still plenty of "choirboys" in rap. The most popular rap act in the late 80s, Run DMC, were in reality nice suburban middle-class momma's boys who fashioned a badass ghetto image to appeal to aggro kids.
Run DMC was not the same rap as NWA. Different universes. Run DMC always struck me as what preppy college kids listened to so they could say they listened to rap. It sucked, frankly, and I never listened to them beyond the first hearing. Kids didn't listen to that stuff.
I'm still trying to understand why this kind of thing is more common in the South.
Ever heard of demographics? Crack a book already.
Really though, white southerners are far more resistant to miscegenation than Yankees. Find a porn star who won't do black guys and she's almost always a southerner.
I've noticed alot of prole men who adopt some of the sartorial affectations of blacks (baggy jeans and t-shirts, hoodies,
I have to point out, for the umpteenth time, that baggy clothes came from White preppies in the mid-80's. Hand to God. TC, back me up here? Did you see it too?
White preppies were wearing Duckhead khakis down around their asses, exposing their boxers, in the mid eighties. Ginormous polo shirts, too. Meanwhile, blacks wouldn't be caught dead in that stuff.
Chapter XXIX of Svigor's Memoirs.
"baggy clothes came from White preppies in the mid-80's"
I do remember the 80s white preppie/jock fad for boxers sticking out down past the leg of athletic shorts, also preppie girls wearing men's boxers as shorts, but I don't recall pants riding low on the ass and showing the underwear. I'm interested in your point though; mind elaborating?
I don't recall pants riding low on the ass and showing the underwear.
I've heard this is from jail (which would imply blacks originated it) because there's no belts allowed there. Similar reason why no laces got popular for shoes.
Can't speak on baggy clothes, though I always associated it with blacks.
Apparently the purpose of the super baggy clothes is to hide weapons on you. Convenient for gang members.
At our high school, the catalyst for the growth of wiggerdom was almost certainly the Beastie Boys circa 1986. It was the gateway drug for many proto-wiggers.
"Really though, white southerners are far more resistant to miscegenation than Yankees. Find a porn star who won't do black guys and she's almost always a southerner."
well, thank God there's still some young whites out there with a sense of shame and who haven't drunk the multi-culti Kool-Aid!!!
"Find a porn star who won't do black guys and she's almost always a southerner."
I take it you're a porn scholar, then.
@Svigor
Find a pornstar who's ready to do interracial the minute she steps off the plane, she's almost always Polish.
Svigor's not actually Polish, or even of Slavic ancestry. He only plays a Slav on the internet.
...and now you're going to attract PA's wrath!
Btw, I think in the South (which, ironically, is wigger central), wiggerism lasts well into the late twenties/early thirties. I've seen this myself on my visits there (mainly Florida and Georgia).
Baseless, irrational, and sensationalist broad generalizations are typical of niggers. I guess that makes you a wigger.
The most iconic wiggers are non-Southern. Everlast, Eminem, Beastie Boys (Jewish), Justin Bieber, etc.
Wiggerism and cuckoldry are far more common among those who lack masculinity, self-esteem and racial identity, and Yankees and west coast liberals are the epitome of that.
I've heard this is from jail (which would imply blacks originated it) because there's no belts allowed there. Similar reason why no laces got popular for shoes.
Can't speak on baggy clothes, though I always associated it with blacks.
That may be part of it, but in general it's because blacks are poor, they wear hand-me-down, ill-fitting clothes whether from friends and family or charities.
The black ego is shameless and stupid, so they gladly celebrate and flaunt their dysfunction and dumb Whites with low self-esteem buy into it as "cool."
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