As I noted in yesterday's post, the left gets sanctimoniously angry about conservatives passively noting the common trait of mob participants. Apparently, they can't find any sympathy for actual victims of crime, save the Jena 6. Media Matters continues the narrative by criticizing Drudge's encouraging collection of Blacks Behaving Badly links. Drudge obviously gets it and that's absolutely huge. The Media Matters commentariat offers this insightful analysis:
I think Drudge is an egg short of a McMuffin.In between the incredibly unfunny insults, the commenters did manage to put forth a few middling talking points. I'll paraphrase them in bold with my responses following:
On Druge's front page he has a article that says "french fries and fat fried pies for the First Lady in Botswana". Why is a balding fat old man complaining about what a healthy young woman like the FLOTUS eat.
drudge only follows orders from the rightwing noise machine bosses. ailes, rove, luntz and bozell. newscorp is paying drudge a hefty amount to run talking points. this meme of the scary black man is what they do over and over again
You might want not want to wear your hood out in public, racist.
And here's the right-wing Drudge managing to find 5 stories about African American crime and not one story about Phylicia Barnes, Mitrice Richardson or Christopher Thomas.
Had anyone actually been hurt or killed, then maybe it becomes a national story. [Do liberals even bother reading the actual stories?]
White people do this stuff too: Apparently, Drudge and others are cherry-picking data concerning black riots, violent flash mobs, and random beatings. If the stories of similar behavior from whites and Asians actually exist, then why do liberal sites like DailyKos and Salon.com not run with them to counter Drudge's "scary black man" narrative? Where are all these incidents of whites running around county fairs beating black families, videos of whites engaging in gang warfare in college cafeterias, accounts of whites flash robbing stores? I challenge liberals to find the same exact local stories, except with white perpetrators.
Crime is going down, so this isn't a problem: Crime has gone down in recent years primarily because we've vastly increased the prison population. Of course, liberals understand the huge racial disparity here and have been on a crusade to soften the justice system as a means of imposing racial equality - justice and safety be damned. Further, crime has decreased because whites have taken precautions to avoid it, most significantly by moving away from largely black neighborhoods. Daily precautions have become a way of life for middle-class whites targeted by black crime. Our great grandparents and even our Canadian neighbors would find the insistence on locking your front door the epitome of paranoia, same with locking your car and consciously avoiding walking alone at night. Black crime is reduced only due to the diligence of whites in avoiding it.
None of the stuff actually happened: That's what they're going with now: "not only did this alleged incident not take place...". When in doubt, the left goes with the Leslie Neilson tactic, "Nothing to see here, move along."
You guys are racist: We should expect this standard liberal response to noting obvious patterns. I'm confused - when exactly are we allowed to notice racial patterns? Apparently, we must notice race when understanding racial disparities of who comprises the prison population. But apparently, we can't notice race when these same people actually commit their crimes. That would be racist, right? The left has jumped the shark, folks - it's full of the most vile, sick, and deluded people on Earth. I hesitate to call political activists evil and surely it didn't apply to many of the idealistic Baby Boomer hippies, who just got a case of limitless empathy. But today's professional left is now on the precipice of outright evil, a term I don't use lightly.
Unfortunately, the mainstream Right isn't much better, or at least, similarly deluded. Here's a thread on Hannity's forum with the conservative commenters nonplussed as to why Drudge posted all those links:
What's up with all the mob attacks on Drudge?On my post yesterday, a commenter discourages anger:
I was wondering this too. There definitely seems to be a surge in this, and it's very disturbing. There's also been multiple stories about mobs of teens banding together and robbing stores.
I don't know if this is a new trend or just something Matt Drudge has decided to start reporting on.
I think he's illustrating the use of social media in "flash mobs" running amok. It's a new phenomenon, and unlike the "flash mobs" we've seen in the past where people are out on a lark breaking into song and dance numbers, these are committing theft and acts of violence.
Maybe he simply wants more hits on his website and he knows that these reports will garner more hits?
However, it's important that all HBDers remember that anger is an emotion that must be controlled. One of the reasons Steve Sailer is so effective is because he doesn't get angry. He doesn't let venom drip from his pen, even when that would be the emotionally accurate thing to do.In linking to my post yesterday morning, Mangan stated that I "communicated the right amount of outrage, especially at the Carter Strange story." I vehemently disagree with the anonymous commenter who decries anger as a justified political emotion. Passiveness as a social strategy accomplishes nothing and it enervates the populace from actually enacting change. The passive intellectual crowd who offers convoluted solutions to real-world problems don't understand the human cost of their Ivory Tower ruminations. They don't get angry because it doesn't affect them, the problems so far away that it registers as a data point instead of a personal tragedy. The Carter Strange attack is NOT a data point; he's a son, a friend, and a seemingly good person.
Anger is justified for practical purposes in affecting political change and as the appropriate response to evil. We must allow a rational type of anger to interject itself into the political landscape because, in the end, politics is about people's lives. We need a political and cultural framework that supports happiness and safety. And the only way to do that is to inspire the populace, an arduous task if we demand they discard any sort of reasonable emotion.
Finally, commenter The Undiscovered Jew parrots leftist talking points in asserting whites still run everything:
White America is not being genocided, black crime is at a historic low.I discussed this leftist talking point in my original post on Drudge. I'll copy it below:
White Americans (including middle class whites) won't become more attracted to sociobiology because of this one black on white attack because they don't view themselves as victims because they run everything.
Ethnic martyrs are for minorities, not white people, because white people don't feel like victims, they feel like winners.
Quite simply, the modern PC environment ensures those whites in power pursue initiatives at odds with the views of the white majority (new book shows rampant Hollywood liberalism) and that any apostasy from the PC doctrine, as above, is rigorously thwarted. Just because whites are in power doesn't mean they represent the desires of American whites as a collective nor does it mean, and it almost never does, that our culture and our politics seek to encourage conservatism.TUJ broaches the concept that whites won't see themselves as victims. In a way, I agree - whites run everything. But that doesn't mean they have political, social, and cultural hegemony. They must endure a political class that ignores their concerns (primarily immigration). They must endure a social doctrine that demands adherence to PC and a complete silencing of all racial truths. They must endure a culture that denigrates them, portrays them as evil or stupid, and does not celebrate their traditions. I could keep going. Sure, whites run everything, but they're still under attack. Whites run everything but the elites pursue a paradigm at odds with the concerns of the majority of white citizens. Who cares if most of those perpetuating the war against whiteness are whites themselves?
TUJ ends by qualifying his criticism as pertaining only to the widespread marketing of race realism. OK, so we're back to esoteric arguments that will inspire no one. Are whites victims in the most general sense, as in 1930s German Jews or black slaves? Of course not. But they are victims in the sense that they must surrender to whatever PC garbage demands their acquiescence. They are victims in that their concerns, even their own basic humanity, is ignored. Should whites then not see themselves as victims or at least the intended target of a concerted effort at political and cultural genocide? I think the term "victim" applied to a racial group perhaps doesn't feel right, as I propose a more proactive, positive approach that celebrates tradition. But informing whites of the ongoing attack against their nation, of which these violent incidents represent the most potent example, is the best way to proceed. Finally, for those like TUJ who question the palatability of these incidents - Bernard Goetz.
54 comments:
Great rundown.
There is one other refrain from the "screw you white boy" crowd: if you don't like it then just move.
I'll hop lily pads by pointing out that a lot of feminists have been conducting "Slut Walks" in an effort to be able to eradicate sexual assault from the "supply side" if you will. but anyone who tells you to move away from the teeming violent black mobs is making a similar argument to the police officer who spurred the Slut Walks.
When leftists claim that "whites run everything", they are performing grammatical legerdemain. What they mean to say is "the people who run everything are white." Big difference. "Whites" don't run anything for the simple reason that there is no unitary collective entity by that name to which agency could be ascribed. To say that whites run everything is worse than false—it's pure nonsense. Feminists pull the same trick with "Men run everything." The white men who do run everything—assuming for the sake of argument that that's true—certainly don't do it on behalf of their fellow white men.
Whites may in a sense "run every thing" but that doesn't mean this white can't have compassion for a fellow forced to live as a minority in a ghetto and send his children to ghetto schools.
Whites, especially White Males, don't "run" anything in Amerika. They do All the Work and Pay all the Taxes, but they have No Control in this sick-cycle society.
This Must Change and it is Coming. A New Order Must Emerge...
When leftists claim that "whites run everything", they are performing grammatical legerdemain. What they mean to say is "the people who run everything are white."
And according to TUJ, those elite white people who run everything are the people you have to appeal to. If you win over them, or at least some of them, you have a shot at winning everbody else.
Whether or not this approach is viable is a matter for debate.
Mencius Moldbug makes persuasive arguments that social change is possible ONLY if sponsored by the elite or an ascendent faction therein.
If that is the case, then alt-right's primary strategy ougth to include appeals to those audiences.
PA
I do not for one minute believe change is only possible with the "elite" on board. I deal with a lot of "elite" you wouldn't believe how sanitized their lives are.
We need a ground swell we need the hearts and minds of the people but we also need protection. Unless we can fight back legally we are doomed we need lawyers on our side to fight against the discrimination we face.
It's pretty disingenuous to expect "us" to fight back when we are able to be fired or kicked out of school just for our opinions.
MuayTyson
TUJ broaches the concept that whites won't see themselves as victims. In a way, I agree - whites run everything. But that doesn't mean they have political, social, and cultural control. They must endure a political class that ignores their concerns (primarily immigration).
Is immigration a concern of the American middle class?
The white middle class doesn't act like it is because they've spend the past 20 years moving to Southwestern states like Texas which have been hit hardest by illegal immigrants.
Again, this isn't to say immigration isn't a problem. The issue (from an advertising persperctive) is that NAM dysfunction isn't disruptive enough EVEN TO THE WHITE MIDDLE CLASS that you can market sociobiology to whites through appeals to victim hood because even white middle class Republicans can insulate themselves from NAM dysfuntion.
TUJ ends by qualifying his criticism as pertaining only to the widespread marketing of race realism. OK, so we're back to esoteric arguments that will inspire no one.
I've argued the exact opposite, that HBD needs to move beyond esoteric conservative political debates and reach out to the interests of mainstream Republicans by linking HBD to the concerns of ordinary Republicans.
My preference has been to bring on board Republican libertarians and Yuppies (since that' what HBD blogs tend to appeal to and because those two groups constitute the Republican "Smart Fraction") but there are other other groups you can appeal within the Republican mainstream if you can't stand libertarians and Yuppies.
And according to TUJ, those elite white people who run everything are the people you have to appeal to.
No. I said HBD needs to appeal to some segment of the Republican coalition, preferably libertarians and Yuppies.
They have to move quickly to shoot the messenger when the news doesn't conform to the ideological needs of the lefties, hence the attack on Drudge. An outbreak of facts could be contagious therefore must be quarantined at it's very inception.
Were the lefties to have greater power then their totalitarian aspirations would come out more forcefully and Drudge would be shut down and incarcerated. Freedom of speech is just a tactic for them; they get the upper hand they'll shut it down for everyone else.
Insofar as to whether or not whites "run" it all or not, I'd say those whites who are in influential positions don't run things as whites but as self absorbed individuals who just want to see their bank account grow, the hell with everything and everyone else. A person who ruins you has demonstrated their priorities so they may as well be from outer space as far as I'm concerned.
Allof you with your anti-black rhetoric are disguting. If you don't like it, move out. How do you think you got here? Do you actually believe your ancestors were original Native Americans? I didn't think so. And now you complain that someone else is doing the same thing your ancestors did? Too bad. Deal with it. Still so very unhappy? Move out.
There is one other refrain from the "screw you white boy" crowd: if you don't like it then just move.
I've this one a lot, at its core it is really an argument for segregation. In reality though, section 8s can move pretty much anywhere but the priciest neighborhoods.
I guess if you're looking for a camel nose into conservatism my first thought is to perhaps talk about disparate impact, the lowering of lending standards to close the minority home ownership gap and how it facilitated the meltdown, section 8 housing. It seems perfectly reasonable that a municipality could make laws prohibiting section 8 housing and that banks should be encouraged to have high and uniform lending standards but of course the feds, the media, and the NAACP would be all over it. I think the biggest problem though is not talking about Carter Strange vs. some other approach, the problem is eyeballs. The growth of the websites grew up around Steve Sailer has been impressive but the still represent a small fraction of the media power of mainstream sites.
Crime is going "down" because of economies of scale. The average criminal just can't compete with the k-street/wall street syndicate.
Deal with it. Still so very unhappy? Move out.
Negroes will follow us.
They don't know how to brew their own malt liquor or manufacture EBT cards.
This same thing happened in South Africa, actually. Large parts of the Southern Cape were NOT settled by blacks. As whites migrated around in search of better farming territories guess who followed them in need of jobs and Western technology...
As usual, I have to ask if there is a political aspect to these black on white attacks. Are they executed by people who have been fed anti-white propaganda? Is this the equivalent of the "Kill the Boer, Kill the Farmer" crowd in South Africa?
Also, is there a source for stats on this sort of mob violence by all races? Is there an equivalent white on black phenomenon?
Whites built this society and THEY should move?!? Whites don't cause trouble and they should uproot their lives?!?
Look at how the poster doesn't even criticize the actual violence. Instead, it's "disgusting anti-black rhetoric" and Native Americans. Not one word about how vile the perpetrators are who beat Carter Strange close to death. I say the blacks who die from black-on-black violence almost deserve it.
The funny thing is Chuck even predicted this inane idea in the first comment.
(I know this is the half-retarded troll, 'anti-racist', who routinely extols black sexual prowess, so I should not have responded. Oh well.)
No. I said HBD needs to appeal to some segment of the Republican coalition, preferably libertarians and Yuppies.
If so HBD will turn leftist and sooner or later die. Yuppies and libertarians possess mini-liberal ideals at their core. I'd be interested in converting them to actual conservatism first instead of getting them while continuing to be liberal.
Case Study:
Anyhow here remember LittleGreenFootballs the socially liberal, libertarian whom was part of the anti-Islamic faction of conservatism?
Go to his Wikipedia page and see his "goodbye reasons". Since he was never challenged on liberal assumptions sooner or later (4-8 years later) was turned back into a liberal.
He called BrusselsJournal a moderately conservative to reacionary website, website not as strong on issues as say racial conservatives and social conservatives, a fascistic website.
Now he can't stop blogging how Tea Party libertarians are a bunch of fascists and racists. And how creationists are out to get us when they are mostly harmless, sane and powerless.
Way to go.
And he has turned more pro-Islamic by the way while still being a raging liberal.
Basically my message is:
You don't need to out-right convert libertarians to total genuine conservatism in 7 days but little sips in that direction is certainly helpful. You continue holding liberal core ideals you stay a liberal until the end.
That is one of the biggest lessons I've learned while the other ones being not to stay way too much time at leftist websites and also to not get emotional or emotionally out of control on debates.
If you don't like it, move out. How do you think you got here? Do you actually believe your ancestors were original Native Americans? I didn't think so.
Did the indians have to send welfare checks to single mom settlers? Did the chiefs wage a 24/7 media campaign against indian anti-settler racism? At least the indians got to fight and were defeated by an actual civilization, not a bunch of dumb, loud, parasites.
Please understand this...liberalism runs on money. To get rid of liberalism requires identifying left-wing commercial interests and using populist or existing arguments to destroy them.
For example...
1) We know that universities are left-wing fantasy camps. To destroy them, set parents and students against professors and administrators. Offer to discharge student loans in bankruptcy and to force down tuition by legislative fiat. Make claims about "unfairness" and how greedy unis are exploiting children and their families.
2) De-criminalize peer-to-peer file-sharing. Make claims about privacy, unfairness and greed again.
You have now wiped out Hollywood and the colleges. Problem solved.
Winning hearts and minds of people who hate you is a waste a time. Neutralizing them as a threat is what matters. When you put them out of work, you win.
One, I wasn't discouraging anger so much as pointing out the limits to its utility. I didn't say we shouldn't feel angry, I said we shouldn't let that emotion control us. It won't change anything. The point I was making has to do with how much change will actually occur because of the Strange incident. Not much. There's a recurring Alt Right meme that, upon the news of some recent outrage, surely the populace will awaken, and it never seems to happen. If there's a tipping point this ain't it.
Anonymous:
Charles Johnson (the LGF guy) is a nutjob and a hack. Most good bloggers are intellectually curious enough to go through the expected ideological odyssey without having to be "challenged". They challenge themselves.
In all fairness, white on black crime back in the old days, i.e. lynchings, etc, was tolerated for a great many years. Like they say, karma sure can be a...
DB: "There's a recurring Alt Right meme that, upon the news of some recent outrage, surely the populace will awaken, and it never seems to happen"
Part of the problem is that what "awakening" looks like is not defined, except in vague threats ("payback is coming", that sort of thing). What do people actually expect - 1000s of angry white guys stomping thru black neighborhoods?
Modern white people don't go in for big, loud street action. It's too obvious and too dangerous. They're also too atomized and lacking in solidarity. More likely, if "awakening" happens, it will happen by stealth. This Sailer post points in a plausible direction:
http://isteve.blogspot.com/2011/04/prediction.html
Regarding the "stay and fight" versus "flee" argument, I read this at Vox Popoli and found his point (it doesn't matter in the end) valid but depressing:
VD 6/25/11 4:30 PM
Ingemar: 6/25/11 4:00 PM:
I marvel at how some Westernophiles want to defend their civilization--but flee, whether it's to some sunny country with lax tax codes or further into the Midwest. You know what happens to that territory you vacate? The enemy occupies it.
The historically aware understand that there is an ebb and flow to these things. There is little point in "fighting" unless people are actually going to literally fight. Americans have been far too fat, happy, and liberal - in the original sense of the latter term - to fight for their nation and culture. This is an old, old story.
Sit in Rome and wait for the Vandals or move to Constantinople? Different people will make different choices. But once the historical pattern becomes apparent, there is little point in attempting to resist the inevitable.
"Why is a balding fat old man complaining about what a healthy young woman like the FLOTUS eat."
So being bald, a hereditary condition, and living long is grounds for insult and bigotry when hurled at a right-winger?
You stay classy, left-wing nut jobs.
"Is immigration a concern of the American middle class?"
Yes. Polls show that curbing illegal immigration and deporting illegals is the single most supported issue by both Dems and Reps.
"In all fairness, white on black crime back in the old days, i.e. lynchings, etc, was tolerated for a great many years. Like they say, karma sure can be a..."
Yesterday at Mangan's (Black Mobs and Carter Strange) the monomaniac troll "Yan Shen" posted this same comment - exactly the same...
The real coup d'etat will be when the "right" gets its hands on a television station. What good are street protests when they would not be covered any way. It is well used tactic by semi-democracies to not show demonstrations or to grossly minimize them. Just look how the media is avoiding the flash mobs (a protest of a different sort) or better yet dosn't.
The left wing will do everything to prevent whites and the right from organizing beyond the acceptable corporate - religious boundries that are the Republican party. Because once it happens it will be Carter Strange 24/7.
Flyers for distribution.
'STOP THE HATE TAKE A STAND AGAINST ANT-WHITE BIGOTRY AND VIOLENCE'
http://jewamongyou.wordpress.com/2011/06/28/mivtsoyim-update-for-today/
Mencius Moldbug makes persuasive arguments that social change is possible ONLY if sponsored by the elite or an ascendent faction therein
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elite_theory
"In all fairness, white on black crime back in the old days, i.e. lynchings, etc, was tolerated for a great many years. Like they say, karma sure can be a..."
This attitude is probably a big reason why Africa is such a perpetual shithole. More advanced civilizations are able to let the past stay in the past, e.g. the World Wars and all the wars before that are water under the bridge for Europeans.
"We must allow a rational type of anger to interject itself into the political landscape"
Rational is the keyword. If a person can keep it rational and be angry at the same time that's best. If they can't do both at once then stay calm and rational and avoid the anger.
The real coup d'etat will be when the "right" gets its hands on a television station.
Umm...I have some bad news for you.
"Do you actually believe your ancestors were original Native Americans? I didn't think so. And now you complain that someone else is doing the same thing your ancestors did?"
Were the native americans entitled to fight back?
Anti-whites run everything critical to the political process - particularly the MSM.
If a majority of white people believe in the version of reality they see on the TV and that version is false then democracy has been subverted. Those people can go online and find the truth but why would they do that if they still trust the MSM? Democracy can only be un-subverted when the majority of white people realise they can't trust the MSM to tell the truth on any issue connected to race in any way.
Cases like the current spate of anti-white racial attacks being covered up by the media can be used to weaken that trust.
When you say that Whites control everything do you count Jews as being White ?
I don't understand the strategy of trying to appeal to the "elite". They're hardcore religious fanatics. Liberalism (60's liberalism) is their religion. Trying to tell them that blacks and whites may just be as tad bit different from one another is like telling a devout Muslim that Muhammad isn't the messenger of Allah. They just won't hear it. Instead you should try and appeal to the common people
Amen One, Amen.
Great post.
I have to admit, I wasn't happy about the n-word in yesterday's post as I didn't think it added anything except a dash of hate (as opposed to righteous anger which I agree we need).
But consider our disagreement one among friends -- today you are spot on.
"I don't understand the strategy of trying to appeal to the "elite". They're hardcore religious fanatics"
Elites grow old, retire, and die. Their succesors, like all young men, can rebel, if only s bit, against their fathers.
Furthermore, elites true restless within their own hierarchies and seek to usurp power.
Finally, elites are smart and have eyes. It is possible to speak to their self-interest and persuade them that destroying their own habitat is a bad move.
PA
"As I noted in yesterday's post, the left gets sanctimoniously angry about conservatives passively noting the common trait of mob participants. Apparently, they can't find any sympathy for actual victims of crime, save the Jena 6."
I'm pretty sure that the Jena 6 were a black mob that beat a white kid nearly to death, and the left had a huge outpouring of support for the black mob, not the victim.
@ mike:
I know, that was my laziness in not clarifying that. I figured most people would understand that the Jena 6 weren't actual victims, but perps who the anti-white media completely lied and painted as victims.
This Carter Strange beating is far far worse though since I believe the Jena 6 case wasn't entirely unprovoked. At the very least, there was some racial problems going on down there. At the very least, the beating made sense.
Carter Strange did nothing but walk home alone.
"Allof you with your anti-black rhetoric are disguting. If you don't like it, move out. How do you think you got here? Do you actually believe your ancestors were original Native Americans? I didn't think so. And now you complain that someone else is doing the same thing your ancestors did? Too bad. Deal with it. Still so very unhappy? Move out."
Speaking of the screw you white boy argument! Very apt for making that Call, Chuck.
Look anon, heres the thing. In the real world, outside of the liberal petri dish...might makes right. Our ancestors conquered this continent because the Indians were too weak, divided and frankly too stupid to defend it. Possession is 9/10s of the law, so we are completely justified in calling it 'ours'.
Another easy trick is for whites to start referring to themselves by a racial pet name(s). We could reclaim the word whitey or white boy or something. Once non-whites start using it we can than react and claim only whites have a right to use that word much the way blacks use the word nigger.
Carter Strange's father "forgave" his attackers on the Today Show after Matt Lauer prompted it. Strange himself said he's just trying to put it behind him. The Black Prosecutor, Dan Johnson, is claiming it was not race but simple robbery, and has reduced the charges.
So the media is very powerful. For about forty years we have had stuff on TV and movies where Blacks are wiser, non-racist, more intelligent, more spiritual, and more morally advanced than Whites. This has had an impact. Most White parents upon seeing their kid beaten to a pulp or killed, would FORGIVE the attackers if they were Black. There would be enormous pressure on them to do so. If they did not then they'd be classified as the Klan.
The real conflict will be $$$. You can't get rents from Apple, Gucci, and Prada if Blacks are rampaging downtown. People will cancel leases for luxury apartments. Tenants will move out of office space to the suburbs. For REITs, this is a potential near-death experience. You can get votes by catering to Black thugs in flash mobs, or keep the REIT billionaires happy. You cannot as a pol do both.
It's funny, scary, and sad to think that if Strange and his dad had gone with the obviously true race angle, the media would be up in arms saying he deserved it for being an evil racist... in fact, he probably started it or, like, staged the whole thing or something. Actually, scratch that, I'm sure the interview was taped and if they went off-message the whole thing would just be memory-holed.
By the way, Whiskey, what happened to your blog? There's a new show on SyFy called "Alphas" that looks like you wrote it.
For the father to talk about "the blacks", etc would bring the hammer down, but why would he have to say that he forgives the animals that hospitalized his son? How did this even come up? Who posed the question, do you forgive them?
When you say that Whites control everything do you count Jews as being White ?
I don't understand the strategy of trying to appeal to the "elite". They're hardcore religious fanatics. Liberalism (60's liberalism) is their religion. Trying to tell them that blacks and whites may just be as tad bit different from one another is like telling a devout Muslim that Muhammad isn't the messenger of Allah. They just won't hear it. Instead you should try and appeal to the common people
This has to be the best comment on what liberalism is to its followers. Plus it ain't just the elite, its the common liberals too!
Since liberalism is a de-facto religion for Millenials try to de-convert them e.g. OneSTDV should study tactics that religious people use to convert other religious people to their own belief systems.
The father never said he actually forgives them, but why would that question even come up, especially so close to the attack.
The notion of forgiveness shouldn't even be in the same universe as so many other concerns regarding this attack.
(Note that it's hard to really articulate how forcefully I believe this.)
@One: "... I believe the Jena 6 case wasn't entirely unprovoked."
I believe you are mistaken. Read the facts here.
Since the victim was known to the mob in Jena, of course we can't rule out some pre-existing animus, but that whole noose story was BS. Just a variation on the theme of "he deserved it, because somebody in that school was racist".
The noose and "white students tree' in Jena were attempted media spin that locals, even black ones, laughed off as nonsense. There may have been preexisting animosity, but it was still a six on one, with steel toe boots to the head, which is where the original attempted murder charges came from.
The establishment's intervention in this local case, nd subsequent lionization of the perps, was a loe point in America's modern history.
Didn't one of the perpetuity later kill himself? Good.
The real coup d'etat will be when the "right" gets its hands on a television station.
Umm...I have some bad news for you.
FOX isn't right-wing-it's just pro-war.
Didn't one of the perpetuity later kill himself? Good.
No, Mychal Bell shot himself in the chest in a suicide attempt (and later claimed that he tried to shoot himself in the head, but missed). He's still alive.
Mychal Bell's mother and father have also been arrested since the incident for various offenses.
3 of the other 5 have arrest records since the incident.
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