Saturday Audience Participation
Watch the video below. Or this one.
My guarantee: you will think something that you would NEVER, EVER admit at a polite dinner party.
Today's question: what was the thought? Feel free to post anonymously or use a proxy server if you're really paranoid.
[Editor's note: I do NOT condone any actions derived from that thought nor do I feel good about thinking it myself. And yes, I did hesitate before posting this, but so many of the YouTube commenters admitted to it, so it got me interested. The Internet provides a safe haven for just about anything, down to the most vile of ideas. But don't view this post as a means of justifying a stigmatizing thought; rather, I view it as a social experiment only viable within the confines of the anonymous Internet.]
65 comments:
The only obvious thing is that the oldest blonde is really bangable. But that doesn't seem very stigmatizing. I guess one or two of the other chicks in/past puberty could do as well, but they're clearly not as hot.
Two thoughts popped out to me. First, as was said, Lia, the oldest 14 year old blonde, passes the boner test. Second, a bible related quote "out of the mouth of babes comes truth."
Umm, is there something more profound here other than the fact that 14 year old girls can be somewhat sexually attractive?
It's not like she's got big tits and cleavage or anything.
I noticed it right off the bat: the panel of children was not diverse enough.
For all their talk of magical powers and superhuman strengths, diversity was not one of them.
Not much to say except I'd bang the 14 yr old with long blonde hair.
Figured it was the fact that the two minority boys hate reading. But yeah, not quite as much a thought crime as what everyone else is saying.
The girl with braided hair looks a lot like Linda Fiorentino.
The girl in yellow/light green shirt is hilarious but this is obviously not a thought crime.
thoughtcrime: black kid doesn't want to be a dork.
I don't think the black kid is that far off the mark though. I like dorky things but lets be honest, there can be a big social cost to being associated with that sort of thing. The older girl was also done with HP for probably the same reason. If none of that mattered, maybe the older girl or the black kid would like HP or maybe they wouldn't, but in any case they know the opportunity cost. This is all IMGO and I could be full of shit anyways.
My younger brother liked HP but was also pretty popular. He played sports and was in a band so his social status was not as precarious as people relying on just raw popularity. He is in college now so his time in K12 overlapped with pottermania where as now the HP franchise is winding down. So you could the social cost of various activities rising and falling depending of their popularity.
I thought the amount of crap the blonde girl had to take in the comments section (by adults?) for quite rightly pointing out that every Harry Potter story is the same and nothing happens was pretty funny.
You people are sick.
I kept looking for a racial aspect but didn't find one. So, if that's all there is to it...UGH! (And I'm male.)
The blonde with long hair doesn't fit with the rest of the group as a "kid."
It's not just her looks, but her mannerisms as well. She has obviously discovered that she is attractive in "that way" and she flirts with the camera--thus, with the viewer. For example, the boy in the royal blue shirt is quite handsome himnself and appears to be her age, but because he hasn't yet developed facial hair, a deeper voice, greater musculature, he appears much less mature than she. More importantly, however, he exhibits no mannerisms that indicate any self-awareness of his physicality as she does. Nothing ususual here--girls mature more quickly than boys as we know.
However, it does disgust me that adults on here who have commented about her chose to call her "bangable" or say she passed some "boner test" instead of pointing out that she is really physically attractive and appears older than the others in a sexual sense. They don't pass the "adult" test. The un-pc can be discussed with seriousness and dignity, after all. Some boys never grow up. NOthing new there either.
It's that the 14 yr old is attractive right?
I'm laughing that the "what would you do with magic" question elicited magical uses from all the kids regardless of age except the black kid who wanted to be rich, be smart have a tv and a laptop.
Okay, I am a retard. I didn't think anything weird.
I will now read the comments.
Well i be damned.
*chic noir slaps head*
It was all an act. You're not going anywhere.
You just wanted some attention 1std. Men can be attention whores too huh.
Well, here's what I was thinking:
The 14-year-old is hot.
The 13-year-old is cute.
The 9-year-old sure as fuck doesn't look like 9-year-olds did when I was 9.
Maybe that's just me. As far as dinner parties go: I freely admit to friends that I would go as low as 15.
"...I'd bang the 14 year old with long blonde hair." is Sailer posting here now?
Re Chic Noir: "Men can be attention whores,too." Men can be girls,too.
je ne sais quoi
Some of the comments are very unPC--very sick, if you ask me. I sincerely hope that anyone who is sexually attracted to that 14 year old is either 14 (14 year old didn't do anything for me at even 14--I wanted the older girls) or younger or you on a sexual predator watch list.
My very well informed opinion on attractiveness of little girls (read "children") is that you have some really serious mental health issues. A well built, confident and intelligent of say 25 to 35 is a sex symbol--not, ever, a child of 14 or even 18.
As to the video, it's pretty obvious--all of the white children are involved, opinionated, given to reading and of much higher intellectual value than the average minority child--including the one in the video, who was probably the smartest one they could find.
It has to be that the 14 year old blonde is very attractive. I don't even think there's anything particularly unusual about noticing that. You can know that to be true and also know that acting on an attraction with a 14 year old is completely out of the question. I don't get the moral indignation about merely noticing what is obvious.
@ RobertB: The female of any species of animal is sexually mature when she is able to bear children. Why -- why on Earth -- would a species evolve so that the average female can bear children years and years before the average male is attracted to her, i.e. willing to have sex with her?
You are obsessed with age. Laws are based around age merely because (1) age provides a convenient substitute for maturity, which is what the laws are intended to be about; and (2) we have some pretty bizarre and arbitrary laws as a consequence of human-nature-denying liberalism. (Your notion, that a 15-year-old attracted to a 14-year-old is a potential sexual predator, is an excellent example.) Regarding (1), which is more directly relevant: not everyone enters puberty at the same time, so there is enormous variation in boys/men and girls/women around that age.
That you think "a child of 14 or even 18" is "not, ever [a sex symbol]" is simply wrong. You may not like it (for reasons which have more to say about your own mental state than anyone else's), but men are attracted to 18-year-olds, and even (gasp) 17-year-olds.
These kids seem just too articulate and animated. The clip seems scripted. Yes, the 14 y/o blonde is very pretty, like a future Disney actress. I'm not seeing anything else here. What am I missing?
I'm assuming that the oldest girl was considered attractive? Not that crazy imo, she looks physically mature and is apparently 14. Plus she even acts more mature to some extent. A few 14 year olds mature earlier, everyone knows this. I remember while running track in middle school that us girls would occasionally get honked at by passer-bys, so clearly acknowledging that some girls who have just hit puberty are attractive isn't that odd. Hell, these days even a few 14 year old boys even look pretty mature. What is rightfully taboo by society's standards is acting on said attraction...
The others in the video all still look and act like children however, it would be pretty disgusting to think anything other than "aww, cute kid" about them.
"The female of any species of animal is sexually mature when she is able to bear children."
And here is where culture come in to obscure the picture. While the attractive young blonde in the video seems to recognize her own attractiveness, that means nothing about her actual biological sexual maturity. If you doubt me, just witness the behavior of a group of 8 year old girls at a birthday party. Although they've not yet reached sexual maturity, they do a mean Lady Gaga and Beyonce.
That 14 year old may not yet have begun menses. Her lack of breast development might be a clue to that or might not, but there are lots of girls who look like her who've not yet reached sexual maturity in the biological sense.
Our culture, however, has seen to it that she gives off the appearance of having reached it.
I agree robertb. saying the 14 is pretty is one thing but crossing the line and saying they'd like to "do her" or "she's so hot" is perv territory.
word verification "hatter"
haha
anonymous Although they've not yet reached sexual maturity, they do a mean Lady Gaga and Beyonce.
*cringe*
I so don't want to ask.
You know Beyonce is basically a good girl when you look at it.
FWIW, Mexico's age of for the crime of child molestation is 12.
"My very well informed opinion on attractiveness of little girls (read "children") is that you have some really serious mental health issues. A well built, confident and intelligent of say 25 to 35 is a sex symbol--not, ever, a child of 14 or even 18."
You have very unusual tastes if you think that most women are more attractive at 35 than at 18.
I'd also be willing to argue that even if men of all ages find women from 16-24 to be the most attractive, society still ought to defend the social convention that people should mate with others their own age. Without that convention we could easily end up in an FLDS-esque society in which the men with the most resources monopolize young women and destroy the familial social structure.
2 Chic Noir:
dude, why do you even read these sites?
to make snarky comments to people who don't think you're worth anything? is that how you get your jollies?
Confident? LOL, who gives a crap about female confidence? Only deluded women think men value confidence.
"Only deluded women think men value confidence."
That is an overstatement. Girls are indoctrinated to believe this crap, and because of their feminine nature they accept and believe things pretty easily.
"Confident? LOL, who gives a crap about female confidence? Only deluded women think men value confidence."
I'm not sure if men value confidence but they should, mainly for their own good...Confident women (and by confident I don't mean arrogant, there is a difference between the two) tend to have fewer psychological issues than insecure women. Confident women also tend to come from more stable family backgrounds.
So what was it One, what did you have in mind?
@AouthernAnonyia, 12:57am, 5/29: Yes, I agree. Confidence = good. Arrogance & narcissim = bad.
Many have commented on the pretty 14 y/o blonde. And others have implied that she's a naive child. I'm sure we can all agree -- within 2 years she'll be having more sex each week than all of us have in a month.
@ Anonymous:
Everyone got it. "Best" response to Unamused.
you guys aren't much different that feminists. They break down the cause of every problem to patriarchy and you break down the cause of every problem to race.
I'm feeling pretty good about myself. I noticed she was cute, but didn't think, "I could see myself fucking her". Which isn't to say I'm putting anyone else down. I notice the sexual allure of teenage girls all the time. This is natural. Maybe that one reminded me too much of my daughters or something. All the kids were cute. I also noticed the following: No fatties allowed!
By far, the thing that impressed me the most was how "snappy" it was. I mean, those kids' personalities fairly leapt off the screen (not just the 10-year old redheads, though they were probably the most charismatic).
So either they picked great kids, or their editing was superb, or most likely, both. E.g., cutting away from the two ten-year-olds while just after the one has interrupted the other, and the latter has tried to shush the former ... provided a great sort of semi-verbal punchline.
As far as stuff I'd be reluctant to admit at a party, yes, I would be reluctant to admit that I found almost all of the girls completely adorable. Because even if I said, "Adorable in a non-sexual way", cocktail partygoers are going to note that I match the demographic profile of the average TV child molester / serial killer: educated white male over 30.
I would probably find boys equally adorable, except that the personality stances that they strive for are about as un-charismatic as you can get. Which probably makes me either more or less "creepy" to the average white-male-hater.
And finally, as to this notion that there is something odd about teenage boys being attracted to 14-year-old girls, well, here's something to creep you out some more:
When I was nine, I was fascinated by pretty 9-year-old girls.
When I was 11, I had crushes on pretty 11-year-old girls.
By 14, I was finally started being attracted to pretty females - aged 14 and up.
I remember this distinctly. Seeing old class photos, I can't see why I found little freckle-faces, button noses, and pigtails to be the epitome of female beauty, but I did. My memories of puppy love are absolutely crystalline and distinct and I don't see any reason to lie about them, pseudonymously. And that is that.
I didn't know what sex was when I was nine, but something physical-visual was going on, because I must have cared about prettiness because I wasn't fascinated by plain or ugly girls. I didn't have half a notion about what a "hot body" was. I suspect that there is a "feminine essential" that crops in a variety of female faces, which is why babies look more at women.
It has been rumored that little girls like pretty girls the best, and seek them out as friends. That force was probably at work when I was pre-teen, though of course I couldn't really be friends with girls or any of that. So while I feel a certain shame/fear about thinking little girls are pretty and charming, I don't feel any guilt or remorse about it.
Warmth pours out of the feminine when the female hasn't been beaten down. That is 100% A Good Thing.
I don't get it. I had no thoughts at all other than ... yeah they split up the last movie into two parts to make more MONEY. I agreed with the kid there.
The kids seemed less stupid than I thought. I agreed with a couple of them that noted a book gives more details, stuff that cannot be put in a movie.
I don't get it. The Blonde kid seemed just like a kid. I.E. not a sexual object. Too "kid like" and not self-aware. In contrast to the Disney Pop Tart princesses who tend to be 14 going on 40. In other words nothing but sexuality (Miley Cyrus, Selena Gomez, Demi Lovato). The kid in the video was nothing like that ... just a kid.
Which is important. A few extra years to process information in "kidland" instead of pseudo-adult land of puberty/adolescence is probably wise. Its a big transition.
Really, all I got was the kids were a lot smarter than the Mexican kids I used to deal with every day. A lot more informed, better vocabulary, more self-aware (the Black kid knew he had a nice TV as it was).
anonymous dude, why do you even read these sites?
to make snarky comments to people who don't think you're worth anything?
never look to other people for your self esteem beta because you'll never get it.
is that how you get your jollies?
stick out your tongue and I'll show you how I get my jollies young beta.
whiskey I don't get it. The Blonde kid seemed just like a kid. I.E. not a sexual object. Too "kid like" and not self-aware.
and this is why there is a didcated chamber of my heart that has whiskey's name on it.
Actually, I suspect the 14 year old blonde has some awareness of her sexuality. Check out this video from her personal YouTube channel, you only need to watch the first minute or so.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fw9MnMOOvAw
You'll notice that she talks about spending the night at a boy's house and there is a pop up that says "My mom and I stayed up with William and his mom... thumbs up if your mind was in the gutter!"
Also of interest is that she desexualizes the boy she's with. "He's not a boy, he's a geek."
My crime think, watching that video:
The white girls (the hot oldest one, the cute younger ones), when they hit twenty, will date an disproportionately large number of guys like the negro-ish guy who didn't like to read but did want to magic to make him rich and with a nicer television.
Meanwhile, the uncomfortable gothy boy will be at the computer, creating new improvements for their cell phones, simpler ways for them to file their taxes electronically, new better looking CGI for the movies they go see, better anti-lock breaks for their cars, etc
It's a glitch in female psychology ...
The white girls (the hot oldest one, the cute younger ones), when they hit twenty, will date an disproportionately large number of guys like the negro-ish guy who didn't like to read but did want to magic to make him rich and with a nicer television.
Meanwhile, the uncomfortable gothy boy will be at the computer, creating new improvements for their cell phones, simpler ways for them to file their taxes electronically, new better looking CGI for the movies they go see, better anti-lock breaks for their cars, etc
Whiskey?
Fine. We get it. Lia is very attractive to the male half of the species at 14. She has hit sexual maturity so it is normal for men to find her attractive and not be suffering from pedophilia. Sort of. I admit I find her attractive but not the same way I'll find her attractive when she is 22. And no, I will wind her more attractive at the older age smartarses.
Related subject, I'm sure Lia understands, or senses at least, her sexual command. She has a youtube channel where she is seeking attention via various youtube stunts. She has a "fan page" on facebook where she lists herself as an actor/director and has a twitter feed where she lists herself as an actress and singer and "likes making people laugh."
I hope her parents know what she is doing. She might be grounded now but this could go badly.
Anonymous at 5/30/2011 2:27 AM: are you offering me a whiskey? Or asking if my comment was inspired by the blogger whiskey? (know he exists, have not read him)
"Anonymous Anonymous said...
Figured it was the fact that the two minority boys hate reading..."
Yeah, it's the end of society when 10 yr old kids don't want to spend all day inside reading 800 page novels about made up kid witches.
By the time these kids are 25, the Indian kid will probably know more about math, science and technology (the things that actually advance society) than all the white kids combined.
@ unamusement--
Oh my god are you a total loser. No wonder why you boys can't get laid. Mature women scare the hell out of you is what you are really saying, ergo, you are attracted to little girls who aren't mature enough to see your smallish testicles for what they are. Any and all real alpha males look down on little girls simply because they have not matured enough to be thought of as good lover material.
When we were kids we used to routinely find and kick the crap out of guys like you who were trying to seduce little teenagers while being in college or even older--we viewed you, correctly, as perderasts. We also viewed you as being total losers because you couldn't get a chick your own age. What we saw was your inability to grow up and mature--thus you were attracted to those increasingly younger than you--freaky.
You ever date the sister of a runner up Miss USA? I did, her older sister baby sat me and she was six years older than me and I was just 22 at the time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephebophilia
You are one sick puppy, no wonder you spend your life online, no one in the real world wants you around.
Unamusing? to say the least, pathetic sicko is more accurate.
When we were kids we used to routinely find and kick the crap out of guys like you who were trying to seduce little teenagers while being in college or even older--we viewed you, correctly, as perderasts.
I don't believe you did any such thing. (I also don't believe you looked up "pederast".)
The only thought I had was that all the kids in the video were cute. I smiled the whole time I was watching it.
So what did I miss?
In cultures that still exist there are brides easily ten-twelve years of age, my mother's mother was thirteen when married to a young man of sixteen. That union produced seven children who all made it into adulthood, five of them graduated from college, six of them married and had in their own families at least three children. Some of these descendants also married as young as their states allowed, fourteen being the youngest. There was a time in America where you were rightly a man when you could perform a man's labors and assume personal responsibility. What needs to be done is rekindle that sense of responsibility, that belief in self determination.
I believe the phrasing you are looking for is: "If there's grass on the field, PLAY BALL!"
Note: this should not be taken as advocacy of illegal activity. Offer void where prohibited. Local laws and regulations may apply. Etc. etc.
The points people have made about being biologically ready - that's basically it. If people aren't mentally mature at the same point their bodies are, it's in part because as a society we choose to make sure they're not.
@ Anon--
Yes, we actually did do that. We baby boomers all had sisters and it was our job to protect them from creeps like you. We did and with relish. See, back then, a teenage male was more of a man than you present boys will ever be--simple statement of fact.
And no, I didn't look up pederast because I know what it means--as in Catholic priests who like pubescent boys--are you one of those too?
@ kylie--
You just demonstrated that you're normal, that's all. Anyone who looks on teenage girls as sex objects are messed up.
@Adrian--
yep. you're right about those aboriginal types liking little girls--is that your excuse for hanging around the playground? I wouldn't let too many people know you are attracted to little girls.
It brings to mind a once very successful photographer I know. He just loved young girls too, got bored with them above the age of, ohh, 21 or so. Problem for him was telling too many people just how much he liked to photograph those little girls. His income fell from $175,000 +/ year to about 35 thou net.
Face it, you people are in a minority where Western mores are concerned, so just move to Mexico where it's okay to knock up a 10 year old and you'll be happy--and you might even get laid.
May I say something impolitic? I'd love to go down on Chic Noir. Yeah I said it, so sue me. Chic Noir, if you ever visit S.F., I'm your man.
Growing up I hated Harry Potter and could never could get into it. I thought it was nerdy . So those two boys in the video came off as normal to me. I thought nothing of it. That blonde was pretty hot though. Is that what we're all supposed to be thinking but too afraid to admit ? Cause yeah I would be too afraid to admit that to most people I know.
Ralolory--
Your full of sh*t. The human brain is not mature enough at that age--it still has not fully developed physically and thus cannot make life changing decisions like an adult--that is why the law protects them. Furthermore, any doctor will tell you that teenage girls do not have healthy babies at the same rate that women in their twenties do--because they are not ready for sex physically either. Just because they can, does not mean they should. hip size affects cranial capacity and the term of the baby. Most teenage pregnancies do not go full term.
It seems as though "RobertB" has some curious ideas about what marriage, sex, and reproduction were like in past centuries.
It also seems as though he is obsessed with the sex lives of (a) other men, and (b) little girls. I will not speculate on the reason.
"Mature women scare the hell out of you is what you are really saying"
Well, I didn't mention mature women, but if I had, I would have been saying: wrinkles and sagging don't arouse me.
I will point out here that he has failed to address any of my points.
There follows some obvious shaming language. Yes, yes, small testicles, "real alpha males," etc. -- I am soooooo shamed right now. I mean, ouch, right?
"When we were kids we used to routinely find and kick the crap out of guys like you..."
Well, of course I believe him -- I mean, he's so tough and intimidating on the Internet, where the stakes are... zero.
I wonder if he actually looked up the definition of "pederast." Either he is illiterate or a liar.
"...no wonder you spend your life online..."
The interested reader may count the number of comments RobertB has "contributed" to this thread alone. They measure well his failure as a human being.
In other news, 18-year-old girls are still more attractive than 35-year-old girls. (Note that I said "more attractive," not "more likely to deign to have sex with RobertB" -- a crucial distinction!)
pwned!
"Furthermore, any doctor will tell you that teenage girls do not have healthy babies at the same rate that women in their twenties do--because they are not ready for sex physically either"
Just for fun, let's try to spell out RobertB's "argument" for him:
1. "I assert that teen pregnancies are more likely to produce unhealthy children!"
2. "Therefore teenagers are not physically ready for sex (which I equate with pregnancy), despite what all the other evidence may say."
3. "Therefore we should imprison any man over 15 years old who has sex with any woman under 15, because they are pedophiles -- even though this contradicts the DMS-IV definition of that term, which I have never consulted. Also, somehow I am now talking about mental not physical maturity."
4. "Addendum: I am an angry old coot."
Aaaaand finally:
"By the time these kids are 25, the Indian kid will probably know more about math, science and technology (the things that actually advance society) than all the white kids combined."
The average IQ of an Indian adult is 81; a White adult, 100.
Also, way to dismiss child literacy.
Detroit's at, what, 47 percent illiteracy now, and 88 percent Black? (Concidence obviously)
It's quite natural to think of the oldest blonde as being very hot. She has near perfect facial bone structure, and it appears that she is old enough to have reached menarche.
I woman usually reaches her most attractive age around 16-22, however a younger teen woman, from an evolutionary perspective, is more valuable because she has more total years of reproductive capability, compared to say when she is at her prime.
That well over a decade children this age still love reading Harry Potter!
All joking aside I suspect that children who read are mostly white, since the books in the teen section at any bookstore tend to have themes that revolve around themes mostly only white people would care about. Now why is this? Why isn't there a market for black or Latino/a themed books? My answer is simply that an overwhelming percentage of NAM children do not read, thus marketing to them would be a disaster.
"By the time these kids are 25, the Indian kid will probably know more about math, science and technology (the things that actually advance society) than all the white kids combined."
Yes, but will he have the creativity to innovate? Probably, since mulitregional evolution (which I personally believe in) suggests that whites descended from Indians (Our similarities are beyond coincidence), but probably lacks whites' potential to innovate. A passion and ability to innovate similar to Thomas Edison could exists within him, but isn't as probable as a white person.
Mine was the kid who wanted to be Voldemort should probably be euthanized before he becomes a serial killer.
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