Friday, January 14, 2011

What "Civility" Really Means

The buzzword this week has been "civility". Every talking head, especially those of a leftist bent, has encouraged those in the political arena to moderate the rancor. Here's President Obama, who would happily bring a "gun to a knife fight", on the subject:
And if, as has been discussed in recent days, their death helps usher in more civility in our public discourse, let us remember it is not because a simple lack of civility caused this tragedy -- it did not -- but rather because only a more civil and honest public discourse can help us face up to the challenges of our nation in a way that would make them proud.

At a time when our discourse has become so sharply polarized — at a time when we are far too eager to lay the blame for all that ails the world at the feet of those who think differently than we do — it's important for us to pause for a moment and make sure that we are talking with each other in a way that heals, not a way that wounds
I could point to an unending stream of commentary advancing the same idea, especially the notion that political rhetoric has become too personal and emotional. Funny that we should dispassionately allow our country, culture, and way of life to be flushed away. Apparently, only an inbred, irrational moron would get angry about a failing society in which he continually loses social and political autonomy.

Since this past summer, I've often appealed to Barry Goldwater's timeless aphorism that "extremism in the pursuit of justice is never a vice". Fittingly, I don't consider "civility" an axiomatic positive, especially if one notes the purposeful ambiguity of the phrase and the people who use it in such context. And I really don't see why either side should avoid heated debate. Politics doesn't exist solely in abstruse historical texts; the repercussions are real and impactful in every day life.

As for the recent appeals, all the calls for civility allude to "heightened rhetoric" and "polarization", yet rarely do they explicitly define what these terms mean. Now that the original portrait of the Tuscon psycho has been undermined, the left has largely backed away from explicitly blaming "anti-immigrationists" and the Tea Party. So one justifiably asks how can conservatives temper their rhetoric? What policies or political opinions have supposedly fomented the current political firestorm? In my original post on "extremism", I said the first statement, followed by another relevant phrase in a later post:
The current mainstream doctrine, one based on the "anything goes" mentality, has defined "extremism" as any position with steadfast loyalty to a set of principles. An "extremist" is now someone who refuses to capitulate and surrender his values, even if said values represent some ultimate good.

Because if not, if one refuses to stand hidebound in opposition to the left, it will continue its gradual march against every traditional edifice we have left.
In other words, the call for "civilty" is nothing more than a call for surrender to the liberal zeitgeist. After all, look at the past two years of political discourse. Every single conservative has been lambasted as "extreme". Leftists have criticized every conservative position as motivated by surreptitious ends, almost always racism, bigotry, and homophobia. Leftists consider even these initiatives, not paying for illegal immigrant healthcare, wanting to speak English, and voting for a white person, as out of bounds.

So again, I ask what exactly do they want. One can conclude then that the only viable option for conservatives to achieve civility is to fully accept leftism. In the end, they put forth "unity" and "togetherness" bromides because conservatism is somewhat based upon insularity and exclusion - after all, Harlem isn't Harlem with a bunch of white SWPLs.

Over the past few days, we've seen that leftists will attempt to neuter conservatism in the guise of tolerance. We don't solve this problem via puerile gun metaphors, vandalism, or debating which side is worse - instead, conservative need to put their collective foot in the ground and not relent. And I optimistically believe that the Right is waking up and understanding that no conservative can ever attain leftist approval.

Update: Also, if this had nothing to do with politics, then why is everyone all of a sudden concerned about civility? We now know this act was completely independent of political motive, so why has it spurred a debate about political enmity. In my opinion, the left has continued with the "tolerance" paradigm as a means of implicit excoriation and censure of conservatism. The initial message has changed from last weekend, but the intention remains.

20 comments:

Anonymous said...

"their death helps usher in more civility in our public discourse"

Obama is President and titular head of the Democrat Party, let him expel from the party anyone who harshly and uncivilly criticized Bush; let him denounce by name those who used the phrase "BusHitler" and announce they are not welcome in the Democrat Party; etc.

Won't happen. He isn't serious. It's all talk, unrelated to action.

CAPTCHA: MEOESSES, dress made of cat calls.

Black Death said...

For the Right, the path to victory lies through confronting leftist idiocy, not conciliating it.

In the 2010 elections, the Tea Party-led GOP picked up 62 House seats, the biggest swing (and the worst drubbing for the Democrats) since 1938. In 2012, they may grab the Senate, since the Democrats will be defending more than twice as many seats as the Republicans, many in states that went red in 2010. The biggest mistake the new GOP House majority could make would be adopting Democrat-lite policies.

sabril said...

"Your side, has lost."

Seems to me this is just an argument ad populum.

Anyway, what will the Leftists do when the Religious Right (which is outreproducing everyone else) starts flexing its muscles in 20 or 30 years and gets gay marriage banned nationwide?

Will they accept the "will of the people"? Or will they run screaming to the Courts to get the "will of the people" overruled?

ASDF said...

"Palin, Angle, and others have knowingly and smugly sanctioned the nutcases of their party to do exactly this."

Liberals do this too. I've read about democrat politicians saying "So and so should be shot". Their base has way more of a hate on for Sarah Palin then even the Tea Partiers do for Obama, and that's saying a lot.

I think things could really heat up if someone were to to shoot someone like Sarah Palin. Luckily, most liberals hate guns, so it probably won't happen, but if it did, I'm sure some people on the right would think "it's on", and it would be open season on liberal politicians.

OneSTDV said...

I just deleted 2 comments on this thread.

Please do not respond to obvious trolls.

Black Death said...

OneSTDV -

Thanks for detrolling. Enjoy your blog.

randian said...

Luckily, most liberals hate guns

I suppose some really do, but in general liberals don't hate guns, not really. They hate guns in the hands of the "wrong" people i.e. not them. For example, there is a conspicuous lack of criticism of Hollywood celebrities using their influence to acquire weapon and concealed-carry permits that are unavailable to the general public, or hiring bodyguards to accomplish same. If "only police should have guns" is good enough for the common man, why isn't it good enough for them?

Liberals are taking a page from the Islamic playbook. Abuse the other (non-Muslims, conservatives), then when they dare complain loudly call for healing, unity, and not offending "community sentiment". Either way the threat is clear: take it like a good dhimmi or else.

Anonymous said...

Palin and Beck are not traditional conservatives (and more of celebrities, libertarians, after fame and money) so why is the left insane? It's because they believe neoconservatives and right-liberals (mainstream right) to be traditional conservatives when they clearly aren't?

Kylie said...

"So again, I ask what exactly do they want."

They want us to shut up and keep paying the bills.

Think I'm being too cynical? In all my reading of political blogs, articles, essays and book reviews along the full range of the political spectrum, I've never once seen a suggestion on the left that our country is beset by irreconciable differences and left and right would both be better off going their separate ways. All the leaning toward separatism, which I've seen mentioned even here IIRC, comes from the right.

Please, One STDv, don't tell me you wonder why this is so.

Anonymous said...

I think the left is fed up with people on the right biting the hand that feeds them and being ungrateful.


Those in blue states are subsidizing those in red states.

Red states are voting for candidates who profess a desire to reduce federal spending (and presumably red state subsidization).

Truth(er) said...

"I think the left is fed up with people on the right biting the hand that feeds them and being ungrateful.


Those in blue states are subsidizing those in red states.

Red states are voting for candidates who profess a desire to reduce federal spending (and presumably red state subsidization)."

Well, that should then reduce the burden on the Blue States, right? What are the libs complaining about?

Larry Auster had brought this up on his blog. The liberals need the conservatives for two reasons: 1) the first reason is to have an enemy to feel superior to. If minorities are mere objects upon which the liberal acts out his morality, the conservative is the foil against which the liberal acts in this morality play; 2) the liberals need conservatives to act as a buffer between themselves and the blacks and hispanics they love so much. If America were to break up, then the entire minority population would have to crowd into left-wing neighborhoods and be supported by left-wing taxes.

The Left cannot have that because they were never really serious about doing anything. They just wanted moral posturing and status-seeking. That is why, when it comes to their own personal decisions, liberals act like racists.

That is why all you ever need to know about a liberal's commitment is to ask where he sends his kids to school and who his neighbors are.

b said...

@ Randian -

I think you nailed the liberal attitude about guns quite well. Liberals love to make rules for others, but they don't expect that they themselves will ever have to obey them. Recall Al Gore's giant power-sucking home, oceanfront villa, private jet trips and heated swimming pool.

I don't remember if anyone remembers the old liberal Carl Rowan, who died in 2000. He was a big civil rights activist and fan of LBJ's Great Society boondoggle. One of Carl's favorite themes was how evil guns were. In fact, he said that no one but police officers should be allowed to have guns. But he never expected that would include, well, himself. Being a card-carrying liberal, the rules were only for others (from Wiki):

Rowan gained public notoriety on June 14, 1988, when he shot a teenage trespasser, Neil Smith, who was on his property illegally. He was charged for firing a gun that he did not legally own. Rowan was arrested and tried. During the trial, he argued that he had the right to use whatever means necessary to protect himself and his family. Critics charged hypocrisy, since Rowan was a strict gun control advocate. In a 1981 column, he advocated "a law that says anyone found in possession of a handgun except a legitimate officer of the law goes to jail—period." In 1985, he called for "A complete and universal federal ban on the sale, manufacture, importation and possession of handguns (except for authorized police and military personnel)."

Anonymous said...

I'm sorry, but you need to be guilt-tripped into becoming a doormat. You don't want us to think you actually agree with that evil Tea Partier Jared Loughner, do you? Yeah, I thought not. So how's about a little fucking civility there, buddy?

Stopped Clock said...

It's possible to be in favor of gun control but still own a gun without being a hypocrite if you have reason to believe you might need it to protect yourself or your family from others with guns. I wish that all guns, all knives, and all weapons more deadly than a paper towel would disappear right now and forever, but I'm not going throw away what I have in expectation of that fantasy becoming reality.

Statsaholic said...

And if, as has been discussed in recent days, their death helps usher in more civility in our public discourse, let us remember it is not because a simple lack of civility caused this tragedy -- it did not -- but rather because only a more civil and honest public discourse can help us face up to the challenges of our nation in a way that would make them proud.

What a weird thing to say.

An attempt to have things both ways.

"I know we probably were wrong to blame the bad thing that happened on that thing you do, but why not knock it off anyway?

Yeah sure, if you went along with that it would be an admission of guilt on your part, but why not admit guilt?

It's what the dead people would've wanted, I somehow posit based on no evidence."

Jay M said...

"Liberals do this too. I've read about democrat politicians saying 'So and so should be shot'. Their base has way more of a hate on for Sarah Palin than even the Tea Partiers do for Obama, and that's saying a lot."

While I do not agree with Palin on most issues I do see a positive side to her; she is one of "the people", and as such she can connect with the majority of Americans. It doesn't matter where on the political spectrum an individual falls, saying that people should be shot is inexcusable and should not be tolerated.


"Oh, and not very sporting of you to take down posts you don't like either, OneSTDV."

Think of a blog like you would a party, and OneSTDV as the host. A lot of censorship is necessary. What if a commenter used the kind of language featured in this video (warning: the video I'm linking to has very strong language).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTq3ARjXDrY

Inner-city schools desperately need to put a higher premium on linguistic prescription. Anyway, who am I going to believe, Richard Dawkins, Professor Hawkings, Stephen Girard, Bill Gates, George Soros, and others, or someone who used the sentence: "Just because I hate atheists it don't mean that I'm prejudiced"? "Hating atheists doesn't make me prejudiced", although still containing contradictory content, is an improvement. Also, what is "Mexican" skin?


"This is what civility means. A racist goes into a room full of blacks, insults them, and is allowed to leave."

That is a strawman and you know it.

tanabear said...

I watched a few episodes of Hardball with Chris Matthews this past week. They most have shown that map with "crosshairs" every five or six minutes. They must have discussed the negative tone that comes from Sarah Palin and the Tea party and how it contributed atmosphere of hate ad infinitum. Then maybe someone might mention that we don't know if the "hateful" rhetoric from the right motivated Jared Loughner in anyway.

Then why are you discussing the shooting and Sarah Palin in the same segment?

It is obviously no holds barred propaganda against the Right. It will probably only be believed by those who want to believe it, not those who care about evidence.

Nevertheless, it was this type of propaganda and shenanigans that got us involved in Iraq. What did Saddam have to do with 9/11? Absolutely nothing. But those in positions of power wanted people to think that so we got an unending barrage of political sophistry.

Our media and political elites and thoroughly corrupt. Pointing this out is honorable, not hateful.

Anonymous said...

Stopped Clock: "It's possible to be in favor of gun control but still own a gun without being a hypocrite if you have reason to believe you might need it to protect yourself or your family from others with guns. I wish that all guns, all knives, and all weapons more deadly than a paper towel would disappear right now and forever, but I'm not going throw away what I have in expectation of that fantasy becoming reality."

The hypocrisy lies in wishing to deny other law-abiding people the means to protect themselves and their families.

ben tillman said...

It's possible to be in favor of gun control but still own a gun without being a hypocrite....

Okay, Stopped Clock. That was well argued.

Anonymous said...

Kylie said...
"I've never once seen a suggestion on the left that our country is beset by irreconcilable differences and left and right would both be better off going their separate ways. All the leaning toward separatism ... comes from the right."


Kylie, as a right-wing resident of a left-wing locale, I'm fascinated by your mention of "going our separate ways."

I'd love to learn more. Can you (or other OneSTDV readers) point me to some thoughtful discussion of this idea?

Mr. Separate Ways