A few days ago, after Obsidian once again spammed the comments with the same hackneyed questions,
I offered him an opportunity. He was to condense his most important objections to HBD to ten questions and myself and other commenters would answer them, ONCE AND FOR ALL. Here are the
questions (some of them are truncated below) and the answers. Thanks especially to John Galton.
Much is said by the HBDers about Sir Francis' Galton's notion of "regression to the mean". Could someone please discuss why none of the HBDers never actually [discusses it relative to whites]?Anonymous: The reason RTTM is frequently brought up in HBD circles is because it strongly suggests that the regressing trait is under genetic control (at least partially). So whenever some egalitarian shows up and insists that there are no reasons to think that IQ is real and partially genetic, someone brings up the well-documented facts of RTTM in affluent blacks. (The lower is the group's mean, the easier it is to observe the RTTM)
OneSTDV: Pretty simple. Regression to the mean is almost always broached concerning the absence of a robust black middle class. And seriously enough with the JP Rushton comment. You do realize he was referring to a correlation, not a direct correspondence. And wouldn't that apply to you as well?
Why it is that the HBDers are relatively silent on the problems presented by the right enders of the Bell Curve. If HBD is to discuss the full range of human potential, wouldn't it make sense to explore it all, or do the HBD crowd merely wishes to address that which they deem as problematic in the American body politic? John Galton: What problems do the right enders of the Bell Curve present? Could you be specific and describe these threats and quantify them for us? Since you are all about race as well, what do you think the odds are of being murdered, robbed or raped by a high-IQ an upper middle class dude vs a low-IQ middle to lower class NAM? Would it start at 1:1,000 you think?
Do you constantly stare up at the clouds looking for a lighting strike while crossing LA freeways during rushhour? Is that what you're asking?
Obsidian is ignorant that these two examples of high-IQ and high reproductive fitness groups [Orthodox Jews and Mormons] undermine the very claim he tries to make that high-IQ groups suffer negative tradeoffs.
OneSTDV: In addition, almost all the "problems" associated with high IQ (a phenomenon Obsidian greatly exaggerates and provides zero evidence of besides reliance on media stereotypes and anecdotes) are internal. Obsidian also promulgates the canard that high IQ whites can't "get laid", yet according to TUJ's posts on smart fraction fertility, high IQ whites have lower fecundity due primarily to delayed fertility, not lack of opportunity. Perhaps, the high IQ beta male must accept his lower sexual value and settle for a less appealing female, but such a concession has little widespread implications.
Finally, Obsidian answers his own question. "HBD" blogs, owing much of their inspiration to Sailer's writings, aren't primarily motivated by dispassionate cogitation regarding the distribution of human attributes. It would probably be more appropriate to deem the cohort of HBD blogs as "bioconservative" as many champion the notion that knowledge of racial differences will engender a conservative renaissance.
So what do the HBDers have to say about WHY their cohort has such relatively low fertility, and WHY they have yet to meaningfully address it? John Galton: This is a mischaracterization. HBD blogs have frequently commented on the low birth rate
for this cognitively elite and
high rate for the non-elites to the point of obsession. There have been many posts noting the differential birth rates according to IQ, religion, race, etc. You're claiming the opposite makes you seem like you're taking credit for HBD insight.
What do the HBDers suggest be done, since what is currently being done to fight Black crime isn't enough for them; two, why do they focus so intensely on a problem that they have little if any direct involvement with, since by their own often vociferous declarations, they neither live near or interact with ANY Blacks?John Glaton: As you mention on your blog, black crime affects blacks more than whites. However, black crime affects everyone by driving up the costs of finite public resources like fewer safe neighborhoods and schools. More indirectly, excessive crime and other avoidable extreme black pathologies, impose a huge social cost in terms of pouring massive amounts of social goods and services like education, welfare, policing, insurance, prisons, etc.
OneSTDV: You constantly downplay the negative impact of black crime. Imagine there was a horrible social problem. Someone told you that one factor alone could account for 50% of that problem. Would you discount it as unimportant?
Why does nearly EVERY discussion that takes place in HBD venues, wind up being yet another discussion about Black folks?OneSTDV: Probably because much of America's history is framed or ensconced in the black-white paradigm. In doing so, many conservatives consider this reductionist depiction an ugly belittling of this nation's preeminence and the singular foresight of our early luminaries (almost all of whom were white males). Second, blacks are the most vocal dissidents in the sphere of racial discourse, interminably grousing about achievement gaps, purported institutional racism, and other chimerical social ills all readily explained by HBD. Due to the PC doctrine, blacks hold an inordinate amount of social capital in discussion of racial issues, so much so that whites
are excoriated merely for congregating with each other. Finally, the stark contrast in behavioral norms, intelligence, and physicality between blacks and whites makes HBD all that more obvious.
What have atheists ever done for anybody?
NutUporShutUp: The Civil Rights Movement, Harlem Renaissance, and other black oriented movements were started by black atheists and usually were still led by many black atheists, even when carpetbagging religious types toke over the respective movements...So New England Christians get credit for the earliest abolishist movements but Southern Christians are not blamed for bringing slavery to America? Religious folk get credit for ending Jim Crow but not for setting it up? Your post is logically inconsistent.
OneSTDV: Do I really have to even respond to such an absurd proclamation?
From a 1934 study of scientists and religion, "67% of 1,000 randomly selected US scientists expressed disbelief or doubt in the existence of God, and that this figure rose to near 85% among the 400 "greater" scientists within [the] sample". And
here's a chart showing the results of a 1996 survey of members of the National Academy of Sciences (the best scientists in the country), where only 7% profess belief in a personal God paralleling that of traditional religion. Finally, here's a
huge number of atheist or disbelieving celebrities. As for questions of morality,
atheists comprise 0.2% of the prison population, compared to about 5% of the US population total.
What would such a world look like [if HBD was publicly accepted]? What public policies would be crafted with HBD at their core? Could anyone here, be it OneSTDV or anyone else, make a rough ten point plan outlining these measures? It's just that they don't catch serious flak for saying that they want a rollback on everything that made African Americans a real part of this country. dana: just because i want to accurately describe the nature of blacks in the US doesn't really mean i want to do anything about it or believe in a government strong enough to "do" anything about it. most HBDers are libertarians [
OneSTDV: I'd say pseudo-libertarians] and don't want to "do" anything but REPEAL unconstitutional and dysgenic policies--not enact positive active eugenic policies.
Anonymous and Galton (with my revisions): -Scale back educational funding and profligate spending on "new and improved" reform. Reinstitute tracking and place emphasis (both practical and social) on vocational training.
-The end of the abusive and parasitic race hustle industry: Accept racial disparities as natural.
-End all unfunded entitlements, including section 8, affirmative action, and Medicaid.
-Dissolve Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
-Having a child without the means to support it is a felony or some other less stringent disincentive for fecund welfare recipients.
-Increase length of jail sentences for all violent offenders.
-Tell the truth about race differences in the mainstream media.
-Persistent felons would be deported.
-Only skilled immigration.
-Deport all illegals immediately.
OneSTDV: "Not doing anything" roughly equates with removing the anti-white/anti-meritocratic diversity industry that pervades almost every policy decision, including but not limited to immigration, education, welfare, taxes, social programs, and healthcare.
Your last statement is a complete fabrication and misrepresentation of HBD. Please provide evidence for such an outlandish claim. What exactly "constitutes everything that made blacks a real part of this country". Let's take a specific example: I support
N.C. schools reverting back to neighborhood schooling and thus discontinuing the forced integration of schools. Now how can you equate this with reinstituting the apartheid state of pre-1960's America. Overwhelmingly black urban schools actually receive the most funding per student and if blacks and whites are functionally equivalent, there should be no malediction imposed upon the education of black students. Basically, whites have no moral imperative to see that blacks achieve economic stability and should only ingratiate themselves in order to moderate enmity that could lead to violence (also applies to high IQ vs. low IQ people).
I will not respond to Obsidian from this point forward.