It is the entrenched societal values that allow or disallow certain initiatives to come to fruition. For example, only a completely emasculated society that holds women as possessing higher moral value than men could enact such misandrist divorce and custody laws. Only a first-world society that has normalized non-heterosexual attraction could suffer from a 1980's AIDS epidemic. Only a society bent on diversity as the greatest moral triumph would enact affirmative action and forced desegregation. A society's collective morality dictates its acceptance of ineluctably harmful liberal policies.Popular culture, encompassing TV shows, Internet memes, and movies, pushes the zeitgeist and politicians fall in line. It's a process buttressed by leftist indoctrination facilities and spurred by gradual, pervasive, and unrelenting bombardment of the populace. Then, the feedback loop gets going, whereby profits in a free-market motivates others, which in turn affects politics, and slowly the avalanche builds.
In recent weeks, a television commercial for the video game DJ Hero 2 illustrates how culture subtlety reflects the left's cherished ideals.
Let's review: mostly white dance party listening to hip-hop, blond white girl flirting with black thug, aforementioned white girl asserting female dominance, couple dancing very proactively, tattoos, another black guy and blond white girl couple kissing, black girl and Asian guy couple (realistic!), piercings, white girl and black girl dancing together, wide shot of extremely diverse crowd, and the coup-de-grace end shot with white guy and black guy switching arms.
Now, the game is promoted as DJ Hero 2: Mix 2Gether. So the commercial fits the product. Side note: I'm not going to rail against the almost non-existent but absurdly hyped up prevalence of interracial couples. Instead, this commercial wonderfully illustrates how culture can affect what society values, even if said ideals would never work practically. Ostensibly, the commercial writers considered racial diversity as the ultimate expression of "Mix 2Gether". So we see this vibrant scene of diversity, all races intermingling pleasantly with women open for business, tramp-stamped, pierced, and everything. And who doesn't want to see this in their own lives? Who doesn't want to join in on the fun? Unfortunately, the "joiners" aren't just the wigger down the block, the neighborhood doorknob, and some pot-smoking free love New Ager on DailyKos, but most of Congress who will gladly try to manufacture this scene for self-aggrandizement, both socially and politically.
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I've had not a little experience in various "rock" scenes, including some professional. The thing is, most of these scenes are very self-segregated. It's as if the various races or whatever each have a different frequency to which they tune when it comes to dancing, music, and so forth. Even among, say, Whites, there is a division of tribes: Goths vs heavy metal vs punks vs etc., etc.
I've yet to ever see a scene such as the one shown in the video, though perhaps there is a chance at some college party there's a possibility of something like this happening if enough alcohol were to flow.
"The main failing of libertarianism, or more aptly "liberaltarianism", is their insistence on expanding laissez-faire attitudes to the cultural and moral sphere."
I don't think this is a problem with libertarianism, but rather how liberals misuse libertarianism for their own agenda. The liberal establishment picks and chooses parts of libertarianism that are acceptable (i.e. opposition to abortion and sodomy laws, support for gay marriage and drug legalization) and uses libertarian-sounding rhetoric to push liberal policies, leading to libertarianism's association with moral decadence.
Also, the sliding tramp stamp was a nice touch.
"coup-de-gras"
= "the blow of fat"
I think you mean "coup de grace"
(and the c is not silent)
Laissez-faire economics blows too. There's almost nothing that facilitates the emergence of a hostile elite more than it. Liberaltarians are just messed up all around.
@ OneSTDV
You quote yourself:
'For example, only a completely emasculated society that holds women as possessing higher moral value than men could enact such misandrist divorce and custody laws'
How can you be serious about this kind of argument? It's pretty well established that these 'misandrist' laws are actually holdovers from a period when women had little role outside the home and had little earning potential. I agree that many of these laws are indeed unfair. However, claiming that they are the result of an emasculated society is just not supportable - in fact, these laws exist as a result of a more male-dominated society that was more active in sanctioning the dissolution of marriage.
Mack
I agree with Mack. Misandrist laws are in part an echo of magnanimity extended to women, who had little power in the public sphere.
They are also a holdover of a Christian social contract between the sexes, whereby women's virtue and modesty was compensated with chivalry.
LOL. I've been reading along as OneSTDV puts up post after post decrying the "cultural ruination" of the country, valorizing Taylor Swift as the sweet and virginal White ideal of pop culture, etc, et al. It's all really kinda sad - OneSTDV's a rather young Man, and here he is sounding like Mr. Wilson. Why would anyone rush to be an old curmudgeon? Can't he wait to get there?
As for DJ Hero, as a former "Wigger", OneSTDV of all people ought to know that Hip Hop's biggest patrons are WHITE MALES, and have been for what, easily two decades now? Hip Hop, from Day One, has been racially and culturally intergrated; anyone who actually knows Hip Hop history well, will know this. It was created and driven by African American Males, but it was enhanced and maintained by just about everyone else.
Finally, I think the record is pretty clear on what the political establishment thinks of Hip Hop; has OneSTDV forgotten the many Congressional hearings decrying Hip Hop; the actions of Tipper Gore and C. Delores Tucker; and even the writings by pundits like Juan Williams on the matter? Trust me when I tell you, politicos are hardly promoting Hip Hop, Dj Hero or otherwise.
You know, this is OneSTDV's blog and he is more than welcome to do as he plases; but he really is on the wrong side of history here. At some point it ought to dawn on him that what he and others of his ilk are selling people enmasse just aren't buying, and that perhaps there may just be good reasons for that.
I'm still laughing at the superior intellect.
Holla back
The Obsidian
OneSTDV forgotten the many Congressional hearings decrying Hip Hop; the actions of Tipper Gore and C. Delores Tucker;
Tipper Gore focused on heavy metal lyrics. Hip-hop was unheard of by the general population at the time and gangsta rap was unknown until a few years later.
The elite attack on the middle class is through a diversity-proxy.
It starts with Section 8 and HUD, which gets single mommies and their broods out to the burbs, then it graduates to fronts like the DJ-commerical OneSTDV highlighted in this blogpost.
People move out to suburbia to get away from a certain element, and the elites are just as determined to make sure you cannot escape that element unless you are really wealthy (can afford private schools).
In the suburb in which I live, there are 6 public high schools within a 30 minute drive. Three of these have some gang problems according to what Ive been told. A few kids "thug up", and start to bully classmates. The classmates "thug up" and form little associations of their own as to not appear beta in front of others. Its something of a arms-race in this regard.
What put it here in the first place? Its not busing, as we dont have that. We only have a little public housing out here. But we are getting swamped in Section 8 and HUD. The elite have figured out a way to paw-off some of the underlcass from the Great City to the Northwest out here upon us, and have done so liberally.
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Tangential idea:
We need to re-segregate prisons in particular. Whoever rules the prisons is who will have martial and social juice out on the streets, because they will not be afraid to push the envelope, as their fear of legal consequences aren't nearly as acute. This is gina-tingle-city. Whites and Asians fear prison (for some very good reasons, they are outnumbered in there pretty badly). If they didn't fear prison, they'd take much less shit socially.
The elite, via child support/alimony/food stamps/AFDC/WIC/Medicaid/gender quotas have incintivized the break-up of the family with all their might and have supported single-motherhood as best they could. Single motherhood is destructive beyond belief to any civilation and especially its young males, who wont have a dad to look up to and emulate, but only a single-slut to see get used by a litany of thugs. He loses respect for BOTH parents and cleaves onto the role models he witnesses in school. Who reigns socially supreme at his school with a sense of autotomy that he finds innately attractive? Thugs.
Sometimes I think the Marxist are just deluded tools of the real elites up the food chain from themselves. This stuff is happening "on purpose". Music didn't devolve to shit on its own. Dance didn't devolve to primitive humping and grinding on its own. Art didn't devolve to garbage on its own.
PA,
Not quite; here's what Wiki has to say about the matter:
"Parental Advisory is a message affixed by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) to audio and recordings in the United States containing excessive use of profane language and/or sexual references. Albums began to be labeled for "explicit lyrics" in 1985, after pressure from the Parents Music Resource Center (PMRC). In 2000, the PMRC worked with the RIAA to standardize the label, creating the now-familiar black and white design. The first albums to receive the label in its new form included Danzig's self-titled album, Soundgarden's Louder Than Love, Guns N Roses's Appetite For Destruction, and 2 Live Crew's As Nasty As They Wanna Be and had the label in the form of a sticker on the cellophane wrap. The first hip hop album that received the label is Ice-T's debut album Rhyme Pays, released in 1987, whose lyrics were associated with gangsta rap, and popularized the genre. Later pressings of Danzig's self-titled, as well as many new albums with the label after 1992, had the label printed onto the artwork. To some, it has become known as the "Tipper sticker" because of Tipper Gore's visible role in the PMRC."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parental_Advisory
Much more to learn about (Black) American history, you have...
O.
Correct again as usual O.
You need hbders need to get over your fear and embrace diversity and progress unless you want to be left behind.
Anon,
Sorry to burst your bubble but you should take a bit of time out to watch the show "Lock Up". There you will find no shortage of both White Aryan Nation gangs on the inside, and prison segregation, de facto, is already well underway.
Also, there is nothing preventing hardy Males like you from pulling up stakes and moving out into the heartland of America, where you can bring up your sons free of any elite Marxist influence. In fact, you don't even have to reinvent the wheel; just follow the examples of groups like the Mormons and Amish.
O.
PA,
Again, not to put too fine a point on it, but you're wrong. Gangsta Rap was well underway in the mid 1980s; Run-DMC is considered a Gangsta Rap group, as were other well known acts. Of course, Run-DMC was one of the few rap acts to get constant video rotation on MTV at the time.
O.
Tipper Gore's activities before Congress were during the mid to late 80s. The rap that came on the scene in the early 90s. It got the RIAA sticker, but all this was after the fact of Tipper Gore's testimonies.
I don't need to "learn history" on that matter because I was around for that and more or less followed its developments.
Gangsta Rap was well underway in the mid 1980s;
It was, but it was not on the general public's radar until stuff like NWA and Public Enemy came out around 1990.
Run-DMC is considered a Gangsta Rap group, as were other well known acts.
I don't recall Run-DMC being considered "gansta." I listened to them in the 80s and remember them being "fun rap" sort of like Young MC or Tone Loc.
Granted, I didn't listen to all ther music, just whatever that mainstream album they had out around 1988.
PA,
Again, the very fact that you didn't know that Run-DMC was indeed a Gangsta Rap group that was immensely popular in the mid 80s belies your claims to not need any instruction on Hip Hop's history. As the Wiki entry above points out, Ice T's album was rated in 1987, several years before the 90s decade came in. Public Enemy would not be considered Gangsta Rap, btw.
At any rate, my point is made: OneSTDV is flatout wrong when he attempts to assert that political figures have co-opted or otherwise given their consent to Hip Hop; the historical record suggests otherwise.
And as the other "Anon" rightly points out, both OneSTDV and those who agree with him - which is a rather small number I might add - is on a Fool's Errand. He is on the wrong side of history here.
O.
PA,
Again, from Wikipedia under the entry, Gangsta Rap:
"The New York rap group Run DMC is often credited with popularizing hardcore and confrontational attitudes and lyrics in hip hop culture, and were one of the first rap groups to dress in flashy, gang-like street clothing. Their stripped-down, rock-inspired beats were also important in establishing the early gangsta rap production style."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gangsta_rap
As for Run-DMC themselves:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raising_Hell_(album)
This is arguably Run-DMC's most commerically successful album to date. As you can see, it was released in the Summer of 1986 - a full two years before your "awareness" of the genre.
Any further questions? :)
O.
You don't read carefully, do you Obsidian? Or you do, but don't process information well.
Did you see the part where I wrote that "Raising Hell" was the only album I knew about and conceded to not knowing much else about RunDMC?
Or the part where I acknowledged that gansta rap was around early on but it wasn't part of mainstream knowledge yet?
Or the part about Tipper Gore being mainly concerned with heavy metal, not rap?
It's back to Remedial Reading for ya Obsisian! :)
Gangsta Rap was well underway in the mid 1980s; Run-DMC is considered a Gangsta Rap group, as were other well known acts. Of course, Run-DMC was one of the few rap acts to get constant video rotation on MTV at the time.
Obsidian, are you crazy?
Regardless of what that idiotic wikipedia article says, RUN-DMC can hardly be considered "gangsta rap" in the modern sense of the world. Yes, they brought a "tougher" sensability in their looks, but they never mentioned weapons, crime/drug dealing etc. In fact, they purposefully stopped short of these trends during the days that their generation of rappers became archaic and fell out of the public eye.
I've yet to ever see a scene such as the one shown in the video, though perhaps there is a chance at some college party there's a possibility of something like this happening if enough alcohol were to flow.
The issue with racially mixed party venues is that you cannot get past a certain percentage of black males present before you start to see a lot of posing, trash talk, fights and (ultimately) gunfire. With a few exceptions, whites will start to avoid these situations when the percentage of black partygoers starts to climb too high.
PA,
What I posted both about Run-DMC and Tipper Gore and her role in having Gangsta Rap "labelled" is unassailable. *shrugs*
Camlost,
I'm sorry if your knowledge base of Hip Hop is woefully limited. But it is, what it is.
Oh, by the way, there were mixed race party venues wrt Hip Hop going all the way back to Afrika Bambattaa in NYC in the early 80s. Not many people shot up or anything like that. :)
Now look fellas - I get that you basically want a return to 1950s America, where White guys who were more bookish supposedly ruled the day. Personally, I don't knock you all for that, though I do think it's quite immature, LOL. But here's the problem with your master plan:
How do you propose to get the bulk and mass of young White folk - ESPECIALLY FEMALES - to sign on to your program? From what I can tell thus far, I don't see much evidence that you guys can pull it off.
I'm still laughing at the superior intellect.
O.
Oh, by the way, there were mixed race party venues wrt Hip Hop going all the way back to Afrika Bambattaa in NYC in the early 80s. Not many people shot up or anything like that. :)
Yes, but black folks have perfected the "Night Club Shooting" since then.
No white folks in their right mind are going to hang out at a hip-hop concert nowadays. Besides, today's rappers (i.e. Lil Wayne or Nelly) sound absolutely awful live, as compared to the early clear-voiced rappers like KRS-1 or Kool Moe Dee - these people had to win fans and form a market by actually performing live.
How do you propose to get the bulk and mass of young White folk - ESPECIALLY FEMALES - to sign on to your program?
I don't have any "program" - we're just here kicking ideas around on a blog. And anyway, it wouldn't be the first time that certain people refused to subscribe to a "program" that could benefit them - take black males and that whole fatherhood thing, for instance.
Hi Camlost,
I don't deny the fact that Black Men have been at the heart of quite a few violent incidents at parties and other social gatherings - I've seen such things firsthand on more than one occasion, having been in the middle of several firefights in such venues in the past. What I was challenging was the notion that Hip Hop being racially integrated was uinlikely; its history suggests otherwise.
As for your remark about Black Men and fatherhood, I think they, like all Men, should have the right to decide if they want to be fathers in the first place. Perhaps one reason as to why so many Black Men are absent from the home, is because so many of them never wanted to be fathers in the first place? If so, what is so wrong with granting them the chance to choose as to when they wish to be a parent? After all, this is what we do with Women, Black and White alike - yes?
Finally, yes, I know this is a blog. But clearly, OneSTDV and others who think as he does, has a strong desire to change the prevailing status quo. In order to do that, you're going to need more than just a bunch of guys kicking it on a blog. You're gonna need actual plans and strategies to make that which you claim to want manifest. This far, there is little evidence there are many young White folks, especially females, who are interested in that which OneSTDV and others are advocating, in aggregate.
Hence, why I continue to say, that I'm laughing at the superior intellect...
;)
O.
As for your remark about Black Men and fatherhood, I think they, like all Men, should have the right to decide if they want to be fathers in the first place. Perhaps one reason as to why so many Black Men are absent from the home, is because so many of them never wanted to be fathers in the first place?
Well, thanks soooo much for NOT offering some twisted logic that would seek to blame black illegitimacy on ephemeral "white racism." I am thoroughly impressed.
In fact, you're an example of why I actually would not want HBD to drive public policy in any way.
But isn't your contention that many black men don't "want" fatherhood a way of giving a back-door nod to HBD? Our theory of HBD would hold that monogamy does not come natural to black males for reasons relating to genetic selection.
Obsidian's a blatant liar and the Wiki article is utter crap.
There was no "gangsta" rap in the public consciousness until NWA. RUN-DMC was never considered gangsta. Chains and Adidas (a street look) are incidental to gangsta rap, glorifying the thug life (as they never did is.)
Rap wasn't even on the mainstream radar until perhaps the Aerosmith/Run-DMC single in 1986, let alone gangsta rap.
Haumea
"Hip Hop, from Day One, has been racially and culturally intergrated; anyone who actually knows Hip Hop history well, will know this."
This is such an overstatement it can be easily considered a lie. Exceptions don't make the rule, but I see that intellectual giant Obsidian doesn't get this basic principle.
The mainstream white and black music cultures were largely segregated until right about 1987 or 1988.
And I don't need stupid Wiki to get this, because I live through it.
Haumea
suplifin Obsidian's a blatant liar and the Wiki article is utter crap.
That's excessive and very unfair to Obsidian.
He is not a liar. He just does not know a whole lot about African-American musical forms or their disperson into the broader American culture. He tries to keep up though, so cut himsome slack.
Obsidian has been banned from this site, but I didn't check the site for a number of hours.
I can't just delete all his comments because the thread would look very weird.
So please refrain from responding to Obsidian. He's banned.
And so is that Anonymous troll.
Obsidian has been banned from this site, but I didn't check the site for a number of hours.
Even after his recent endorsement of HBD ??!! See his quote below, which acknowledges that monogamy is inherently alien to black males.
Perhaps one reason as to why so many Black Men are absent from the home, is because so many of them never wanted to be fathers in the first place?
Ever see the movie "Matrix Reloaded"? The great big multicult party scene in Zion where a diverse crowd gets on down at the center of the Earth in preparation for their fight against the evil (white) Man?
This is the vision being promoted here. That if somehow, someway, we could only shed ourselves of "racism" we could have on big party. Get on down with our brothers and sisters around the world. And it is pretty explicit in "Matrix Reloaded." Good guys are the usual multicultural Star Trek type crew (they even wear what look like homemade 1960s Starfleet uniforms). Bad guys are (white) Agents, (white) Demonic Duo, (white) Master Programmer/Colonel Sanders clone. And if only we could rid ourselves of these evil (white) nemeses, there we are in the promised land.
Party down, just like on TV.
No one bothers to point out that when in the real world you do rid yourself of the evil (white) overlords, you end up with a Haiti, a Zimbabwe, or the Crips & Bloods.
Too busy partying.
Groovy, man.
The key is we ran out of money. See Europe, and even China (which is their own bubble). Definitely Japan. There is no more money. [Because there is no more productivity growth.] Necessary but not sufficient conditions for technology that enhances productivity is a mono-ethno state. A "diverse" rave is not the way optical computers, with AI get built. Or new materials, like artificial fabrics that are self-cleaning, and "breathe" like natural fabrics. Or space-based, zero G manufacturing of new materials, particularly metal alloys or super-conducting magnets for nuclear fusion.
You are slowly seeing the erosion, particularly of older White women (basically the Tea Party, White women past menopause make up most of it), into buying "diversity is good." Because we ran out of money. DJ Hero is really aimed at young women (hence the diversity is good, colors of Benetton Part 2 vibe). Add to the mix likely crisis points (collapse of Mexico, 70 million refugees, nuclear war in the ME, mass casualty attacks here) and you'll get a different social reaction. If older White women are asking "what's in it for me?" you will see that migrate down the age-chain.
Camlost,
To say that human beings accross the world, in terms of groups, differ in some ways, even key ways, doesn't require a "belief" in HBD; it only requires at least one good working eye. What my beef with the HBDers is, is that they have a very narrow focus and somewhat warped understanding of HBD, which drives their sociopolitical agenda; they wish to in some way change and/or implement public policy based on these warped and/or narrow understandings - understandings that are deeply antithetical to the way American democracy works, even if they are correct. They also refuse to recognize that there are tradeoffs in ALL of Nature; that BOTH sides of the bell curve have their light and dark sides, if you will. The HBDers lopsided focus on the left end of said curve only serves to support their biased views of certain groups of people, no matter how dispassionate and scientific they claim to be. So for example, if it is indeed true that Black folks are more licentious, it only follows that Whites are more prone to neurotic when it comes to relationships and sex; we see this proofed in such things as the Mystery Method and blogs like Hooking Up Smart - two venues thaqt cater almost exclusively to White people who seem to need everything spelled out for them in Mapquest-like fashion, just to meet the opposite sex. I say HBD is just as prevalent there as it is with Black people, yet HBDers like OneSTDV refuses to discuss this and the realworld downside consequences this can mean. He, and the HBDers in general, don't do this, because of hubris; you all are convinced there IS no "downside". But cult classic films like Idiocracy, suggests otherwise. I trust you've seen it?
This goes directly to your response to OneSTDV and myself when I responded to your "Black Fatherhood" remarks - you said that I gave a "back door endorsement" to HBD because what I said above spoke to some in-born inability on the part of black Men to remain monogamous. Not only is this false, as I neither said nor implied any such thing at all, it is also irrelevant to the point we were discussing, which was Black fatherhood. Obviously, you see it as problematic along absenteeism and perhaps other lines. My response intended to suggest that perhaps those "dad"s never wanted to be such in the first place, and that at present, our society doesn't allow Men regardless of color or genetic inclination, a way to assert or decline, fatherhood. We do however, have such a legal process for Women, again, irrespective of her genetic heritage. Monogamy and parenting are two different things, and while I am more than willing to engage you on the latter, I thought by your throwaway line you wanted to discuss Black fatherhood. I responded with what I think is a legitimate explanation of the phenomena you seem so keen to mention at every turn we interact. It would be nice if you could actually respond to what I've written instead of what you want me to have said for once. :)
Holla back
O.
To say that human beings accross the world, in terms of groups, differ in some ways, even key ways, doesn't require a "belief" in HBD; it only requires at least one good working eye.
So, your "working eye" has noticed the 72% black illegitimacy rate, but hasn't noticed the correlation with poor trends in black criminal behavior, personal demeanor and sociability?
Yet, you'll still sit there scratching your head musing on the lagging employment rates for black men?
Dude, you need HBD more than you know. It might clear up some of the cobwebs in your brain.
Obsidian's right about the political brouhaha over rap music. I remember 2 Live Crew and how Florida governor Bob Martinez somehow banned their first album. So, for their second album, they took the "fraternity song" and changed the lyrics to say "f**k Martinez" and so on.
This was hilarious to me because I saw a news story about Bob Martinez being appointed the drug Czar by Bush I. The first thing I thought of was "f**k Martinez" when I saw the news story.
It is true that Tipper Gore (the bouffant encrusted thought police) focused largely on rock music lyrics. However, her group also discussed rap as well, which was just coming into the mainstream.
There was, of course, all of the brouhaha over Ice T and his early albums during the early 90's.
Ever see the movie "Matrix Reloaded"? The great big multicult party scene in Zion where a diverse crowd gets on down at the center of the Earth...
Man, I love that scene! That's my favorite scene of all three of the Matrix movies!
Every time I see it, it makes me want to go out clubbing. Unfortunately, the real clubs I've been to do not have people nearly as hot as in that scene.
That is such a hot scene!
OneSTDV:
Firstly, this is one commercial and one swallow does not a summer make. And while I hear what you are saying, but this seems content free. You may as well just have posted up pretty much any of any of the myriad of such media that exists.
The media exists and it works tirelessly at manufacturing consent in order to sell people stuff, influenced by the whims of its socially liberal artistic creators. We know this. So unless this is just a carthago delenda est thing, I'm not sure I get the point.
I remember 2 Live Crew and how Florida governor Bob Martinez somehow banned their first album.
Well, that's not how it happened.
The local sheriff in Broward County took it upon himself to warn record shops that they should not sell certain 2Live albums because they were "legally obscene." A few independent record dealers were arrested after they continued to sell 2Live music, with all charges dropped later after various state courts laughed at the obscenity complaints.
There was never any actual "ban" at the state level and the album was always readily available.
The Governor was barely involved, it was just one jackass acting unilaterally.
Am I to take it from your last reply that you are no longer interested in our previous discussion about "Black fatherhood"? ;)
Sure, why not!! I will also readily discuss equally nonexistent phenomena like the Tooth Fairy, Santa Claus or the Loch Ness Monster.
And on the matter of criminality, again my past writings have made my position quite clear on this matter; I am hardly a bleeding heart liberal.
Yes, I am aware that you're not a far left liberal. If you were I would ignore your posts.
Are you saying that ALL Black Men everywhere are intemperate criminals, prone to be this way due to their genetic makeup,
No, not at all.
But look at how black incarceration rates have exploded since the 50's. At that time, black and white incarceration rates were roughly the same, but not the black rate is 6-7 times as high, and this country was certainly a lot more racist then than it is now.
The difference is the removal of pressure on blacks to live up to European cultural norms. Regression to the mean is taking hold.
It seems clear to me that HBD explains why a not insignificant number of Whites need Mapquest-like instructions just to be able to meet and greet each other.
You're right, black women are much more approachable, especially in the public sphere.
Down here in Atlanta I've got so many black women chasing me I don't know what to do!! I feel sorry for the tons of unmarried, successful black women down here in Atlanta - they can't find a brother with a job and without an ankle monitor.
I'll toss you some of the thick ones since I know you like them with a little meat on their bones. :-):-)
Obsidian:
I banned you months ago. I simply can't take reading your "brilliance" anymore.
And even though Camlost couldn't help but respond, I'm deleting all your comments after my last one.
The issue with racially mixed party venues is that you cannot get past a certain percentage of black males present before you start to see a lot of posing, trash talk, fights and (ultimately) gunfire.
This is not necessarily true. I was in a "black" club in Seattle once. There was over 150 people there, probably 2/3's of them women and almost everyone in the club were black. There was violence or even the feeling of violence at all. I actually felt quite comfortable in that club. I will tell you that almost all of the women in that club were overweight, some of them significantly so. Even the guys were not much to look at.
It may be that Seattle people of any race are better behaved than those in the rest of the country. But I don't think it was a race thing at all.
Your point about 2 Live Crew is no doubt correct (I was living in CA and AZ at the time, and caught only bits and pieces of it). Nevertheless, rap lyrics were a subject of concern by the "conservative" music critiques at the time. Also, there was considerable controversy surrounding one of Ice-T's albums around '91-92. I know it was significant because I was living in Japan at the time and still managed to heard about it.
I'm not convinced that young black men today act significantly worse than many young white men did in the mid to late 70's. I knew a lot of thugs and actual outright criminals while in high school (at the very end of the 70's) and all of them were white.
Aspects of popular culture, like DJ Hero 2 and other things, remind me of a quote from Ayn Rand,
"The purpose of the Communists in Hollywood is not the production of political movies openly advocating Communism. Their purpose is to corrupt our moral premises by corrupting non-political movies — by introducing small, casual bits of propaganda into innocent stories — thus making people absorb the basic principles of Collectivism by indirection and implication."
By undermining the traditional morals of America in subtle ways through books, music, films, TV shows etc, the entertainment industry has succeeded far better than any political propaganda could ever hope.
Ever see the movie "Matrix Reloaded"? The great big multicult party scene in Zion where a diverse crowd gets on down at the center of the Earth in preparation for their fight against the evil (white) Man?
I wanted Nancy Pelosi to announce a huge rave right after she ramrodded the heath care bill through. Since that's what you do after you have a factional conflict, right?
The whole Matrix series made me laugh because the premise was that everyone who saw through the Matrix was an uber-hacker... and yet when you get to Zion you see that blacks and women are way over-represented, while nerdy white and Asian boys are way under-represented.
I noticed this commercial a few nights ago and was stuck by the extreme race mixing even by today's pathetic standards. Did anybody else notice the weird guy near the end at the at :30 with a black head and neck and pasty white arms? Looks like the producers of the commercial are having a little fun with some kind of interracial chimera spinning records at the end. These guys knew exactly what kind of buttons they were trying to push.
The Matrix films were made by the Wachowski "siblings" one of whom is a post-op trans-sexual, and the other looks like an extra from "the Hills Have Eyes." Ultra-icky. They're about as in touch with ordinary people as say, John Waters or Boy George.
Black guys constantly shoot up nightclubs. That's just a fact of life -- Blacks at a club, in any numbers, they shoot it up. Because doing so makes them Alpha. And thus gets them laid. No, Black guys are not "innately evil" any more than German guys, or Japanese guys, pick your time period. They respond to incentives and hard wiring and the culture and punishment, etc. Black guys shooting up nightclubs is a weekend fact of life in Atlanta.
White guys in the UK "glass" (bust beer bottles over heads, or glass mugs) same thing. The English (and Irish and Scots) like Blacks need a good dose of Victorian social repression to control violence, substance abuse, etc. that say Italians or French folk (evolutionary more acquainted with alcohol) don't. Same btw for Aborigines, Mexicans, and other folks less accustomed to booze, and living in cities. The competition for women is a whole other issue, but one that if not moderated leads to a race to thugdom. Because it works.
@ Mark Johnson
Agreed. They knew exactly what they were doing. Which is why I love that commercial.
"Only a first-world society that has normalized non-heterosexual attraction could suffer from a 1980's AIDS epidemic."
Not true. There are countries with higher AIDS percentages than the US that are socially and sexually conservative to the point of not only pre-marital sex being a taboo but dating as well, and where the marriages are arranged.
""The purpose of the Communists in Hollywood is not the production of political movies openly advocating Communism. Their purpose is to corrupt our moral premises by corrupting non-political movies — by introducing small, casual bits of propaganda into innocent stories — thus making people absorb the basic principles of Collectivism by indirection and implication."
"By undermining the traditional morals of America in subtle ways through books, music, films, TV shows etc, the entertainment industry has succeeded far better than any political propaganda could ever hope."
Tanabear, it's "rugged individualism" that got us in this mess to beginwith.
You cannot expect children who are raised to be rugged individualists to care about the larger family, community, culture, country, society or greater good.
Children in the US have more rights than grown adults in some countries. Not saying anything is wrong with that - I'm just sayin'...
Rand presents a false dichotomy between extreme individualism and "collectivism".
Truth be told we must embody a balanced bit of both.
Without some sort of "collectivism" or concern for the "greater good" - well, no greater good will materialize and we will be left with the sort of degraged and narcissistic culture that we are currently seeing here in the US, and which everyone on this blog is complaining about.
Rather than "rugged individualism" Americans need to adopt "mild individualism" coupled with a desire to contribute toward family, community, culture, country, society and the greater good.
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