Monday, August 2, 2010

Real (Western) Men Lift Weights: How Yoga and Marathon Running went Mainstream

Last week, I discussed the strong connection between vegetarianism and the political left. The incredibly fallacious claims of hippie vegheads and their academic mimics reflects the quest to denigrate anything associated with European males. This week, I'll discuss two fitness trends championed by these same alternative medicine hucksters: yoga and marathon running.

Yoga, or as I call it "extreme stretching", has an extensive history in Asia, especially in India but with parallel exercise regimes in other parts of the continent. The original yoga practitioners sought an incorporeal experience described by Hindu and Buddhist ideology, with Western yoga promoters subsequently excising most of the explicit religious language. The poses are actually physical manifestations of deities and the corresponding breathing and mediating techniques were means to elevating one's consciousness.

The pernicious cultural iconoclasts of the 1960s and 70s brought yoga to America, dampening its basic religious foundation and fitting it into the "spiritual but not religious" dictum still popular today. But its place of origin remains the most important reason why yoga went mainstream. As with vegetarianism, yoga comes from outside the West, from cultures free of toxic edifices like racism and sexism. Yoga represents the profound sagacity of non-Western peoples, particularly Asians, with this being a common theme in post-60s America. In movies, characters such as Mr. Miyagi encompass the almost divine omniscience of Asian culture. Fittingly, in the upcoming film Eat, Pray, Love, Julia Roberts finds personal serenity by traveling to Bali and India. Additionally, fortune cookies and the concocted ambiance of chain restaurants like PF Chang's reflect the view Westerners now have of Asian wisdom.

So yoga, along with carb loaded diets, becomes another way to displace Western empiricism with Asian mysticism. Further, yoga builds no muscle and thus undermines masculinity! [Update: Though I do believe meditation and similar practices are highly effective in reducing stress and bringing forth the corresponding benefits.] The second disturbing physical fitness trend intended to extol non-whites and disparage masculinity is marathon running. HalfSigma has fastidiously covered this trend, noting the sad but frequent deaths associated with this SWPL pastime.

I think you get the point by now, so I'll be terse. Long distance running was an evolutionary requirement for East Africans and other non-white peoples who lived in flat, arid climates. No one's running a marathon in the snow of Scandinavia or the mountains of central Europe. Further, women did the gathering and expended cardiovascular energy, while men exercised in bursts via hunting and fishing, tasks that required brute strength and explosiveness.

I'll end with the first comment from HS's post:
There have been two great American health lies since WW2. The first is already about dead: that meat and animal fat are harmful and starches are healthy. The second has not yet emerged, but its head is above water: that slow, steady exercise is the key to fitness. In fact, a diet rich in animal fat is an essential part of good health, and the best route to fitness involves quick and explosive movements.
And now you know why. The left has promulgated outright falsehoods as a means of feminizing and disparaging Western men. And we're fat, disease ridden, and socially and politically enervated as a result.

39 comments:

Stopped Clock said...

Its 5 am so I am not running on all cylinders yet, so can I ask if youre linking to beyondveg because youre agreeing with their debunking of some vegetarian/vegan ideas, or are you using them as an example of the vegetarian/vegan ideas you dont believe in? Because Ive read that site before and I would say they could be used either way.

Stopped Clock said...

Okay, it's obvious now that Im more awake. Still, the owner and primary author of that site is a moderate vegetarian, not an anti-vegetarian of any kind (in fact I wonder if you have found him while searching for info on the largely meat-based paleo diet)

Dennis Mangan said...

I don't disagree that marathon running isn't a good idea, but as to "an evolutionary requirement for East Africans and other non-white peoples who lived in flat, arid climates" - just recall the origin of the word "marathon".

Dalrock said...

In the Marathon legend, Pheidippides died at the end of the run. He made the run to announce the Greek defeat of the Persians.

So West beats East and don't run too much or it will kill you. Somehow liberals got the whole thing backwards, as usual.

Lucille said...
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Lucille said...

Why do you see muscle-building as the only end of physical activity?

Dalrock said...

As you mentioned in the comments section of the post on vegetarianism, not everything works the same for everyone. I tried lifting for about a year and a half in College, and never got any bigger/stronger. I had plenty of coaching, including roommates, friends, and a course on weight training for PE credit. Part of it was probably due to age, because the year after I graduated I bought a car without power steering and I remember my arms all of a sudden getting bigger.

Probably because of this experience, I've alway favored more natural exercise; hiking (with or without pack), swimming, kayaking, etc. This seems to work well for me (when I do it...) but I do use some free weights at times as well.

One other observation. I recall moving and helping friends move during college. I hated to move with the big weightlifters. They would get on one end of something heavy and instead of lifting smoothly and just carrying it, they made the same jerking motions as they did in the weight room. I was much smaller than them but had more practical strength. I know many lifters do other activities to balance this out, but some do suffer from this.

Anonymous said...

This statement of yours is not only erroneous, but ridiculous: "As with vegetarianism, yoga comes from outside the West, from cultures free of toxic edifices like racism and sexism."

Vegetarianism has a long history in the west, not just from India or other non-western cultures. In the west, they used to call vegetarians "Pythagoreans" until around the 19th century, since Pythagoras and his followers are said to have practiced vegetarianism. Some say they ate fish but abstained from red meat, while others claim they abstained from fish as well.

Regardless, some form of vegetarianism was practiced in ancient Greece and Rome and possibly other western civilizations. For the record, I am not calling the diet commonly eaten by most people who couldn't afford meat to be "vegetarian". Many people in extreme poverty are involuntarily mostly vegetarian but would happily eat meat if it is available.

I've been a healthy vegetarian for many years. I am vehemently opposed to most of what the political left advocates and find your attempts to link the two offensive and damaging to your credibility. Especially your implication that not eating meat correlates with lack of masculinity. I find nothing in vegetarianism that undermines masculinity or western civilization. Sure, vegetarians are more likely to be liberals than conservatives, but liberals tend to enjoy wine more than conservatives(on average, according to studies), who tend to favor beer. Going to do a post on how wine-drinking is an attempt to undermine western civilization and masculinity because of its link to liberalism?

I've known my fair share of vegetarian wimps, but they don't have a monopoly on wimpiness or being effeminate. All too many men who eat meat are wimpy or couch potatoes; although it is tempting for many people to think so, I see no evidence that vegetarian men are wimpier than meat-eaters.

Israel is estimated to have the second highest percentage of vegetarians in the world, yet it is the modern Sparta - http://www.articlealley.com/article_1351542_23.html

Some vegetarian wimps - http://www.veganbodybuilding.com/?page=bio_avi

Vegetarianism linked with high IQ - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6180753.stm

Normally I agree with what you say(illegal immigration, HBD, taxes, etc), but not when it comes to vegetarianism.

Anonymous said...

Reduced Serum Testosterone and Prolactin Levels in Male Distance Runners

Garry D. Wheeler, MS; Stephen R. Wall, MA; Angelo N. Belcastro, PhD; David C. Cumming, MB, ChB


JAMA. 1984;252(4):514-516.


Abstract

To investigate whether endurance running in men produced basal hormonal changes similar to those reported in women, we obtained blood samples from 31 men running at least 64 km each week and 18 sedentary controls for measurement of levels of total testosterone, non-sex hormone-binding globulin-bound and free testosterone, luteinizing hormone, follicle-stimulating hormone, prolactin, and cortisol. The mean levels of total and nonspecifically bound testosterone as well as prolactin were significantly lower than in controls, although levels remained within the physiological range. Other hormone levels were similar in both groups. The lowered testosterone and prolactin levels parallel the changes reported in women runners.

(JAMA 1984;252:514-516)

Dennis Mangan said...

"Cardio" causes heart disease

http://www.paleonu.com/panu-weblog/2009/11/1/cardio-causes-heart-disease.html

Anonymous said...

Yoga is bunk, and obviously should not be tendentiously paired with running; and marathon running has definitely been degraded by gentrification in that so many men under 40 have no shame in running a marathon in over three hours; but weekly distance running in the 50-75 mile range is more manly, more physically, psychically, and cognitively hygienic than weightlifting or other non-endurance-cardio activities.

This is so well-known and confirmed by research that best explanation for the post which started this thread is that its author probably resents his personal fate of lacking the aptitude, discipline, and body type requisite for daily distance running (or comparable endurance cardio surrogates), and has few remaining options other than mere weightlifting.


YES, RUNNING CAN MAKE YOU HIGH
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/27/health/nutrition/27best.html

WHAT SORT OF EXERCISE CAN MAKE YOU SMARTER? [not weightlifting!]
http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/16/what-sort-of-exercise-can-make-you-smarter/

HIT THE TREADMILL—NOT JUST THE BOOKS—TO BOOST GRADES
http://www.acsm.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=About_ACSM&CONTENTID=14753&TEMPLATE=/CM/HTMLDisplay.cfm

CAN RUNNING ACTUALLY HELP YOUR KNEES?
http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/11/phys-ed-can-running-actually-help-your-knees/?em

OneSTDV said...

so can I ask if youre linking to beyondveg because youre agreeing with their debunking of some vegetarian/vegan ideas, or are you using them as an example of the vegetarian/vegan ideas you dont believe in?

I didn't realize beyondveg was pro-vegetarian as the linked to article explains, from an evolutionary perspective, why the paleo diet is more natural. SO I was just referring to the linked to article.

@ Mangan:

Yes I'm aware marathon running started out in Greece, but distance running ability developed best in East Africa and similar climates (Kenyan marathon runnners anyone?). Though I'll say the popularity of marathon running is more geared to anti-male than anti-white.

Why do you see muscle-building as the only end of physical activity?

I don't. Lifting is healthy as well.

Especially your implication that not eating meat correlates with lack of masculinity.

Come on. Meat builds muscle; muscle is male. Read the last post. And here's some more:

http://www.amazon.com/Sexual-Politics-Meat-Feminist-Vegetarian-Critical/dp/0826411843

http://www.anonymous.org.il/e-feminism.htm

(can't find it, but a recent slate.com article on food and gender)

And again read the last article for the connection between vegetarianism and anti-white ideals. I'm not saying anyone who eats vegetarian is anti-white and anti-male (though you're stupid from a nutritional perspective). I'm saying the media and the scientific community has pushed it because it squares with their overall goal of denouncing Western males.

weekly distance running in the 50-75 mile range is more manly, more physically, psychically, and cognitively hygienic than weightlifting or other non-endurance-cardio activities.

Distance running is OK (50-75 is WAY too much), but it's nowhere near as beneficial as lifting.

that best explanation for the post which started this thread is that its author probably resents his personal fate of lacking the aptitude, discipline, and body type requisite for daily distance running (or comparable endurance cardio surrogates), and has few remaining options other than mere weightlifting.

Laughable ad hominem. I'm actually an ectomorph.

Lover of Wisdom said...

I used to do power lifting. I now do cross-fit, which I think is the closest to the paleo-lifestyle as possible.

Sagat said...

Have you ever tried yoga? I'm not a practitioner, but I've tried it and I think it has its merits. It gives you a different type of workout than you can get simply from lifting and I've been considering adding it to my weekly regiment.

I don't usually use the phrase, "Don't knock it till you try it," but considering we're talking about a simple form of exercise, I think I will in this case.

Jokah Macpherson said...

I think the strongest proof of the superiority of weight-training over Yoga is how weak Dhalsim from Street Fighter II was in spite of the stretchy arms. On the other end, the bulky roid-juiced Zangief and Blanka were also ineffectual. True mesomorphs like Ryu, Ken, and Guile exemplify physical fitness.

Anonymous said...

The great preadotory cats run sprints interspersed with great amounts of walking. Dont think Ive ever seen one jog for fun, only to get to a pre-killed meal.

I imagine our ancestors did likewise until the invention of food-staple-agriculture. Lots of walking, with occasional bursts of real running (to catch or evade) something else.

Runners high is dopamine release and how the body deals with the pain of pounding the joints with the up&down hops of distance jogging. Its a response to pain. Think about that. Runners are addicted to a chemical that is manufactured as a response to pain.


Adrenaline is another matter entirely. Its a chemical of exhiliration. Its what you feel when youve accomplished something, or escaped something. I wonder which chemical it would be more fun to be addicted to?


Those predatory cats sure are beautiful animals. I dont think Ive ever seen a fat one in the wild who didn't look like he wasn't of peak reproductive value. All that lean muscle mass, those magnificent coats. They are quite a stark contrast with the edifying visage of your average marathon runner, take a look:
http://www.crossfitoakland.com/old_site/marathoner_sprinter2.jpg

OneSTDV said...

Note that I've added an update about the health benefits of meditation.

http://www.crossfitoakland.com/old_site/marathoner_sprinter2.jpg

This says it all.

Vegetarianism linked with high IQ - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6180753.stm

It's probably true. But with all the other idiotic stuff smart people are into, who cares?

Just went grocery shopping (cage-free eggs, grass-fed chicken, blueberries, and whole milk) and near the cashier I saw this one cup serving of cereal:

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Kashi-GOLEAN-Crunch-Cereal-in-a-Cup-12pk/13969306?sourceid=1500000000000007346530&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=13969306

named "GoLean" and of course being touted as a healthy meal for people who want to stay fit and trim. I looked at the nutrition facts for each cup of cereal: 45 grams of carbs and 10 g of sugar.


Honestly, this nutritious liberal creationism is frustrating me more than HBD liberal creationism now that I've been looking into the paleo diet material.

OneSTDV said...

@ Dalrock:

I tried lifting for about a year and a half in College, and never got any bigger/stronger.

Doesn't mean you weren't benefiting tremendously anyway. Health benefits aren't always reflected in measurables like arm size and max bench. Working out is a way to gain muscle, which is of course a measure of fitness, but also simply a way of staying healthy.

To break through that plateau you likely needed a very strict diet (6 high protein meals/day is usually the guideline), but that's a full time job and it's why so many people never make it past the initial gains of the first couple years of lifting. [I know this from personal experience!]

sabril said...

FWIW, every yoga person I have met has seemed very fit and youthful for their age.

sabril said...

"Have you ever tried yoga? I'm not a practitioner, but I've tried it and I think it has its merits."

Well if you know even a tenth as much about yoga as you do about international maritime law, you should probably become a yoga instructor.

B Lode said...

My experience with yoga was: The studio I went to was overpriced. The women were gorgeous. The exercises themselves were not bad, and I certainly felt good afterwards. In a way they were substitute for meditation. With meditation (as I perceive it) you use discipline to clear your mind of grasping, egotistical, unquiet thoughts. With yoga, the poses are quite unique, not hard per se, but impossible to do without thinking. So you think only about posing for an hour. It is a good break from they daily grind. It is a lot easier to stick to than lifting, which I find pretty boring although I don't mind so much when I am in a good routine.

Anyway, for me yoga was characterized by easiness - not something I really want to pay money for right now. I certainly don't need either Eastern religion or philosophy, or squishy Western non-religious spirituality right now. I'd rather unwind some less hokey sort of way. But if people have deeply moving experiences with yoga, I respect that.

BamaGirl said...

Why the hate against distance running? Regardless of the East African dominance in the higher levels of distance running, white Western people are pretty much the only ones who actually enjoy it, just take a look outside to see that. I don't see it as anti-masculine at all either. Its pretty impressive when someone can run more than 6 miles. After all, it requires a great deal of discipline. And runners have better bodies than creatine sucking gym rats. Moderate running (about 4-6 miles a day) coupled with about 20-30 minutes of lifting weights is probably the best thing you can do for your body. Also running yields results faster than other forms of exercise.

BamaGirl said...

But I do agree that Yoga sucks. I always viewed it as something that lazy and/or fat women did for "exercise."

OneSTDV said...

Its pretty impressive when someone can run more than 6 miles. After all, it requires a great deal of discipline.

It's surely impressive and I do sincerely admire their willpower, doesn't mean it's healthy. See the website Mangan linked to for some great information on the dangers of intense cardio. I don't feel like getting other evidence, so I'll leave that to you. Here's a video explaining paleo exercise:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGXep32_qiI&playnext=1&videos=4AtDcMdV7xM&feature=rec-LGOUT-exp_fresh%2Bdiv-1r-5-HM

I don't see it as anti-masculine at all either. And runners have better bodies than creatine sucking gym rats.

100% disagree with both of these. But I guess these are sort of opinions.

Moderate running (about 4-6 miles a day) coupled with about 20-30 minutes of lifting weights is probably the best thing you can do for your body.

Research says otherwise.

Anonymous said...

Do you read Mark Sisson?

Anonymous said...

Black men have the most ripped muscular bodies by far.

If the question is: what is the best form of exercise?; then all you have to do is go to the urban areas of the country and ask the men thee what they do.

What I don't understand is why black men have the best male bodies but there women are usually dumpy wheres white women have the best female bodies but white men are soft and spindly.

Anonymous said...

"Real (Western) Men" lifting weights are often gay. Go to any gym anywhere and half the guys (well, at least a substantial minority) are gay. There's no group of people anywhere who worship the western masculine ideal than gay men. And you won't find many of them doing yoga or running marathons. Does this upset your theory any?
I find your posts interesting, but sometimes your need to find liberal conspiracy behind everything is frankly lunatic

Lucille said...

Why do you see muscle-building as the only end of physical activity?

I don't. Lifting is healthy as well.

Do you consider lifting an end in itself (i.e. an enjoyable activity) or a means to an end (e.g. muscle-building, losing weight, et cetera)?

Peter A said...

Actually endurance is a very masculine trait - and is one of the key traits that makes us a better predator than big cats or bears. Those animals have explosive strength and quickness - we have the ability to track animals for days if necessary to wear them down. Endurance was also key in the ancient world. The ability to march quickly was THE most important skill in the Roman army. A Roman soldier was expected to be able to do 20 Roman miles (about 18 of ours) in 5 hours, in full kit naturally, as a matter of course. Even agriculture requires more endurance than brute strength - my Swiss farmer ancestors were walking up and down mountain sides all day, and if you're German you're probably descended from someone who spent many hours behind a plow. If you can't run, it doesn't matter how strong you are. You are essentially a pussy and useless as a real fighter. A real man combines strength and endurance.

Dennis Mangan said...

we have the ability to track animals for days if necessary to wear them down. Endurance was also key in the ancient world. The ability to march quickly was THE most important skill in the Roman army. A Roman soldier was expected to be able to do 20 Roman miles (about 18 of ours) in 5 hours, in full kit naturally, as a matter of course. Even agriculture requires more endurance than brute strength - my Swiss farmer ancestors were walking up and down mountain sides all day, and if you're German you're probably descended from someone who spent many hours behind a plow. If you can't run, it doesn't matter how strong you are.

Note that none of the examples you give of endurance actually entail any distance running. tracking an animal doesn't mean literally running after it, since no one could do that. Romans marching 20 miles in 5 hours is, well, marching. And the Swiss didn't run up and down those mountains.

OneSTDV said...

"Real (Western) Men" lifting weights are often gay. Go to any gym anywhere and half the guys (well, at least a substantial minority) are gay.

Have you ever been in a gym lifting area, which would be outside the cardio room where all the gays usually are?

Meatheads are gay?!? I've heard it all now.

Peter A said...

Note that none of the examples you give of endurance actually entail any distance running.

That's right. I'm not arguing that marathon running is good for you. I'm arguing that just doing strength training is basically the converse of marathon running, i.e. equally nonsensical and ridiculous if you're trying to achieve some sort of paleo fitness. OneSTDV's idea that men exercised in bursts via hunting and fishing, is oversimplifying tremendously and ignores the fact that men were generally physically active and moving for large periods of the day. For that matter fishing and trapping don't require that much brute physical strength, and even hunting smaller animals doesn't require massive strength if you use tools. We are not Neanderthals, we evolved away from brute strength for a reason.

Anonymous said...

OneSTDV,

You will encounter people who are "addicted" to jogging, and will not want to give it up. I remember what "runners high" was like, and its pretty exhilirating.

*NOTE**Joggers like to call themselves runners, but they are jogging. A real run isn't much less than a sprint, and nobody can maintain that for half-an-hour.

If you suggest alternatives (one hour of climbing up and down steps, one hour of speed walking, one hour of cycling, one hour of swimming), you wont get many takers because only the pounding of the joints of jogging gets that dopamine release going, which is the "high" that they seek and are addicted to.

The Roman soldiers marching for five hours were speed walking, not running. Speed walking would be a hell of a lot more healthy than running for your joints, cartilage, and bones. It doesn't beat you up like jogging does. I wonder if joggers contemplate how their organs have to bounce up-and-down (heart muscle especially) when they jog for an hour-a-day. Gravity pulling at the arteries connecting to the heart over and over again. Hmmmm......


If you suggest to endurance athletes do attempt something like "200 knee bends in five minutes", I bet you wont have many takers. Ive done 200 knee bends at once before, all the way down to the 90' degree angle and back up. Its not easy. Legs ached terribly the next day. Thats endurance though. I wonder how many distance runners can do 100 push ups at at time, especially with their feet elevated on a couch? Probably very few. Even 50 push ups? Its endurance.


I dont have a problem with endurance excercising per se, I just realize that jogging is really rough on the body as opposed to other things (like cycling and swimming).

BamaGirl said...

"You will encounter people who are "addicted" to jogging, and will not want to give it up. I remember what "runners high" was like, and its pretty exhilirating."

"Runners high" doesn't even happen everytime you go jogging. You might feel good because of the exertion, but its more like a once every couple of months kinda thing.

BamaGirl said...

"I wonder if joggers contemplate how their organs have to bounce up-and-down (heart muscle especially) when they jog for an hour-a-day. Gravity pulling at the arteries connecting to the heart over and over again. Hmmmm......"

Come on now, it doesn't bounce that much. Its not like youre on a damn rollercoaster. You probably bounce just as much on a stairstepper/elliptical. Also, running is certainly better for the heart than sitting on the couch all day and slowly allowing them to clog up. Most Americans would be healthier if they went on a 30 minute jog everyday. Can't be worse than what they are doing now. I do agree that cross-training is necessary though, and that extreme distances are probably unhealthy.

AnonymousPerson said...

OneSTDV or anyone, can I ask of the observation when I go running that I have seen a good number of buff guys also running? I'm pretty sure they lift weights, but they don't only lift weights. I can recall many articles that came out (though you can claim liberal bias) that have said running is good for you, but what research have said the otherwise. Granted, there's links of people dying, but people die in lots of sports and there's been plenty of articles that talked about the dangers of marathons (it usually comes out right before a marathon telling people to be careful and etc).

One person I can point to, Bruce Lee ran 2-6 miles a day in addition to his lifting, diet, and other parts of his training. That guy was a beast.

Also, pretty any athlete (I do fencing) or any sport always have running as part of the regiment. Cadio is important.

So again, at least address my observation that the most buff guy I seen is that shirtless, lifting buff runner. You never seen runners with washboard 6-packs with their huge, cut arms (in this case, a good number of them too)? For me, when I go running down the river, I run by a good number of them, there's the lean runners too, but many are not.

Anonymous said...

The best shape I was ever in involved a 5 minute mile every other day combined with intense core exercises. Only worked out 3 days a week for an hour or so each day but I felt great.

Cul-De-Sac Hero said...

"No one's running a marathon in the snow of Scandinavia or the mountains of central Europe. "
Scandinavians are avid cross-country skiiers which is like running on skis.
I don't see why you can't imagine that running would be vital to hunter-gatherer men to follow herding animals, beat competitors to hunting grounds and evade enemies.
The fact that extreme marathon running causes occasional deaths is not surprising since the only time one would run that far in nature is in extreme crises, meaning high stress.
There are many different body types among white men. Some are ideal for running, some are more suited to lifting. Neither is more manly. Running feels great and NOTHING cuts fat like it does.
As far as Yoga goes, the irony is that it was invented by and for men in India but is largely seen as a woman's exercise in Western Culture.

Gc said...

Even the powerlifters run (but not those moomin looking powerlifters who weight +140 kilos). Not to mention boxers or wrestlers, were running is your most important secondary exercise. Good overal condition will lead to bigger gains in weightlifting also, because it increases your recovery etc. You should run maybe 3-5 miles maybe 2-4 times a week. If you are all about growing muscle then 1 time per week will do. And training too much with weights (maybe more than 3 heavy lifting days in a week) will necessary not lead to bigger gains or will lead to no gains at all, if youre not juiced. This is the most common mistake that people too. Then they feel genetically inferior, when some lazy bastard in the same gym makes tremendous gains.