The legislation, sent to the Republican governor by the GOP-led Legislature, makes it a crime under state law to be in the country illegally. It also requires local police officers to question people about their immigration status if there is reason to suspect they are illegal immigrants; allows lawsuits against government agencies that hinder enforcement of immigration laws; and makes it illegal to hire illegal immigrants for day labor or knowingly transport them.Of course, the left frames this as an Orwellian scheme targeting Hispanics. Here's some amusing quotes from dissenters (apparently, their racial collectivism is acceptable):
Emilio Almodovar, a 13-year-old American citizen from Phoenix, said "We can't walk to school any more. We can't be in the streets anymore without the pigs thinking we're illegal immigrants." [Great ambassador for the leftist idealism about assimilation.]Generally, the opposition's soothsayers foresee a police state where legal migrants are harassed merely due to their skin color. This will likely happen quite infrequently, but no matter, crime prevention has inherent probabilistic uncertainty and thus some innocent parties will suffer by mere association. As in the feminist desire for unfettered sexual freedom, liberals want a world free of inequity and injustice, yet still somehow be able to maintain stable societies. Here's President Obama on the news:
"A thousand people a day are being deported. A thousand families being destroyed. And this comes at a very high moral and financial cost to this nation," said Maria Rodriguez, executive director of the Florida Immigration Coalition. [I won't even comment on the financial cost statement. But perhaps if they didn't want to be separated, they shouldn't have ventured here illegally?]
Guatemala's Foreign Relations Department decried the measure in a statement saying "it threatens basic notions of justice." [For who?]
The law sends "a clear message that Arizona is unfriendly to undocumented aliens," said Peter Spiro, a Temple University law professor. [You're perceptive. Should we welcome them enthusiastically?]
Earlier Friday, Obama called the Arizona bill "misguided" and instructed the Justice Department to examine it to see if it's legal. He also said the federal government must enact immigration reform at the national level – or leave the door open to "irresponsibility by others."Note that Obama seeks reform at the federal level, a hallmark of centralized power where a few powerful parties can exert inordinate control. Also note the transparently whimsical dismissal of this law as Draconian, appealing to some nebulous concept of "keeping us safe" and "notions of fairness". In essence, liberals don't covet a "reasonable immigration policy", instead they will simply oppose any measure of immigration restriction until none exists. They will interminably disseminate vague proclamations on the issue, offering bland rhetoric, yet really just procrastinating the issue until the proper voting demographics arise.
"That includes, for example, the recent efforts in Arizona, which threaten to undermine basic notions of fairness that we cherish as Americans, as well as the trust between police and their communities that is so crucial to keeping us safe," Obama said.
The intended end game scenario is the complete cultural and racial overhaul of America, as leftists consider this country an entity soon coalesced into a fully global landscape. In their view, the massive influx of Hispanics represents a neutral (or probably positive) transformation of this country as we are devoid of meaningful tradition, laws, and policy precedents. Not to mention the abject blank slatism that finds Canadian proximity to be a factor in school performance. I leave you with this illustrative quote from the HuffPo comment section:
I STAND with the HISPANIC COMMUNITY!!!!!! I am AFRICAN AMERICAN, so, that mean's, I am BROWN! so if I were to go to ARIZONA, I would be STOPPED for being BLACK and BROWN!!! INDIAN'S, BLACK'S, CHINESE, and now the HISPANIC'S, these are the so called, (ILLEGAL'S) well, NOT SO! we are the BACK BONE of AMERICA! we BUILD this country! and we ain't going no where anytime too SOON! we are here too STAY! WATCH US!Should I even comment?
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Nice try, Arizona. But this bill's going down 5-4 in el Courto Supremo because it will be deemed to violate the 14th Amendment. It really could go either way, but I'm sure the Wise Latina will cast the deciding vote.
RIP America and viva Mexico 2.0! All the same bugs as version 1.0, but with better roads and worse Mexican food, at least for awhile. Eventually the roads will suck, but the food will be dynamite.
Happy days ahead.
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They can't argue with the law that has passed, so they have to pretend that it really says "all Mexicans" in order to have something to criticize. Of course even if the law really did say that, the logistics of the demographics of Arizona would make it impossible for even the most vigorous border agents to ever 'harass' more than say .05% of the Mexican - American population of AZ. That libs dont seem to realize this is more evidence that the core of the liberal establishment lives in a snow-white dream world where Mexicans are still a small minority, and a hardly visible one at that.
Also, come on. Who really, truly, honestly thinks theyre going to be deporting blacks and Asians?
liberals want a world free of inequity and injustice
I think your analysis is a little shallow.
This is the claim they make, but it is simply to put the other side on the defensive ...
Don't accept debate on their terms.
Yeah, does anybody really believe this law will ever actually be put into effect? I certainly don't. We long ago stopped living in a Democracy.
What's crazy is that I figured that all the stuff this law disallows (see the first quoted paragraph) was already illegal?!?
Isn't it illegal to transport and hire illegals? Don't our police have due cause to question suspicious persons? Isn't it illegal to cross the border without permission?
What exactly is so novel and innovative about this law?
What exactly is so novel and innovative about this law?--1STDV
It will be enforced. And speaing of Bambi and the Wise Latina--does anyone believe either has an IQ higher than 110?
It will be enforced.
Call me crazy, but shouldn't we be currently enforcing laws against illegal trespassing?
And speaing of Bambi and the Wise Latina--does anyone believe either has an IQ higher than 110?
Bambi: Assuredly yes. He's definitely bright from a pure intelligence standpoint.
Wise Latina: Probably, but to cast some doubt, here's an a rather bad writing sample:
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MTQyNDNiZDI1YmRkNTc5Yjc2ZThlY2RmN2MyNGIxZTA=
The mexican government is totally hipocritical, ignoring the masses of guatemalan illegals who get detained by police and deported/thrown in jail because they entered mexico illegally.
I've been extorted by cops in Mexico who took money from me because they claimed they could throw me in jail for not carrying my passport with me.
It's very hard to take the Mexican government's criticism seriously.
1STDV
Read this and then tell me Bambi's IQ is above 110
http://www.cashill.com/natl_general/why_obama_is_mum.htm
The hysterics over this from the left and the mainstream media (including Fox) is really intriguing. I think their greatest fear is that people will see that the end of the world won't occur once the law is enforced. I'm sure the state will be very careful to see that they don't give an easy test case to the supremes.
If the court doesn't immediately block this, the only short term impact I would expect is the in your face law breaking by illegals will largely disappear. Right now cops turn a blind eye because any interaction with an illegal is a nightmare due to language, lack of ID, etc. Why write a ticket to a ghost? Now they won't get a free pass anymore, because if they get picked up for something small, they could end up getting deported.
Longer term unless the court or congress screws things up this could get really interesting. Texas has a governors race, and this would seem to be a forced campaign issue. The pressure on other states to deal with reality will become even stronger as the illegals in Az move to neighboring states. California loves liberalism. But will they still love it with millions more illegals? This could get interesting.
For Dalrock:
Not all agencies turn a blind eye. Last week the Hillsborough County (Florida) Sheriff's De[t. arrested 31 people for the second major arrest of auto accident staging. However, undercover detectives found over 141 "clinics" and closed only 4 of them so far. These are manned by massage therapists rather than doctors.
In Florida Hispanics are on a crime rampage. The staging of auto accidents to collect millions in insurance monies is an organized crime assault on real Americans who are paying much higher premiums. We must stop our tolerance of this insanity. We pay billions to correct their deficiencies but stopping them at the border would correct the entire problem. They litter the landscape, demonstrate zero manners in public places, and drop out of school like flies. VDARE has shown that the net deficits exceed any positive features.
Arizona is doing what California and New Mexico should have done long ago. The time is now to stop the Obama minions even if it requires the Supreme Court to do it. Amnesty would be a disaster on top of our current disaster.Mexican values happen to include an enormous propensity for crime. Drug smuggling is just the tip of the iceberg.
Emilio Almodovar, a 13-year-old American citizen from Phoenix
Emilio Almodovar is not supposed to be an American citizen, and would not be if we bothered to enforce our laws.
I caught a bit of a TV news show where they were interviewing a Hispanic-looking individual at a protest against the new law, in Arizona. He said the law was unfair because it was targeting Hispanics. He said they probably wouldn't stop Canadians and ask for ID, just Hispanics. Therefore it is racial profiling.
WTF? Are illegal Canadians a big problem in Arizona?
That includes, for example, the recent efforts in Arizona, which threaten to undermine basic notions of fairness that we cherish as Americans
My own notions of fairness require that any people who are breaking the law be punished for it, but that's just me. I know that liberal notions of fairness require different rules for whites and non-whites.
He said they probably wouldn't stop Canadians and ask for ID, just Hispanics. Therefore it is racial profiling.
Because we all know that there is such a thing as the "Hispanic race". Or something.
I admit it. I stole this from Guy White's comment thread. Every time I read it, I still crack up at the punch line. I agree with his point, I mean it is the expression or something that strikes me:
"America's strength for 200 years was an abundance of human capital and a bold vision of the future. But in 1965 the tide began to turn. The immigration flood gates were opened and now we have a nation like Terry Gilliam's Brazil. No more bold expeditions to other planets. No brilliant medical research or cures. No great scientific achievements. Just fat, unhealthy, slovenly, uneducated, indeterminate race people waddling about a sagging, cracking, infrastructure, leading pointless lives of consumption and self amusement when they are not at their government jobs performing worthless bureaucratic tasks (or standing in line waiting for psychiatric counseling in Spanish).
I hope an asteroid is on the way."
The solution was to develop Mexico into the United States Call Center it should have been, instead of India. That way all the jobs that were outsourced to the other side of the globe could have been outsourced right next door. It would have been far more cost-effective for us than India and you wouldn't see the hoardes of Mexicans crossing the border like you do now.
It would have been a win-win, but I guess we Americans are not reknowned for logical solutions.
I have no problem with profiling. I think we should have a national ID and all employers must provide this when the send the tax info to the gov't.
I think the police should stop people on the street and ask for their ID and if that means more Mexicans with accents as oppossed to whites with American accents so be it.
I was on the Paris metro and a cop was walking through the train asking everyone for their passport. He even removed a black guy from the train on the next stop. I have no problem with that.
That's the only way to clean this mess up.
I heard a guy, who wrote Murder City, say that this law is all show and can't and won't be enforced. The only way to do it is a national ID.
Just think if they could verify with a national Id if you were legal. Everytime a Mexican or any illegal including Europeans is pulled over they will be deported.Mexicans might become the safest drivers out there.
If I can be pulled over going around the corner to the store because I don't have a seatbelt on and I have to pay 50 bucks, they should be able to question anybody for proper papers. We already live in a "police state". I am fed up with this country and all immigrants, not just illegal.
The solution was to develop Mexico into the United States Call Center it should have been, instead of India. That way all the jobs that were outsourced to the other side of the globe could have been outsourced right next door.
And that would be (seemingly) if it weren't for a little phenomenon called IQ.
The people working in call centers in India are highly educated (by Indian standards) - generally having the rough equivalent of a bachelor's and masters in technical fields. You just don't have enough cerebral, educated people in Mexico to man these call centers.
The border-jumping Mestizos who come here have an average of 6th-grade education. Most of them are functionally illiterate in both English and SPANISH since they have very little schooling and often grew up spending some of their time speaking pre-literate Mestizo languages. In fact, many older Mestizo children (those that are citizens by having been born in the US) are also functionally illiterate due to lack of focus in school, chronic absenteeism and yes, low IQ.
Who be Bambi?
Bambi is Barry Obama, our affirmative action president and antiwhite racist--friend of parasites and mediocrities
When I first learned of the Arizona law and heard the criticisms about racial profiling and jurisdictional issues, I thought that there would be a good chance that it would be ruled unconstitutional. However, the more I hear about the details, I realize that the Arizona law simply restates current federal law and is in essence saying that it is illegal in Arizona to violate federal law (geez, what a concept)and that state and local police may (with probable cause) detain and ascertain a persons immigration status (i.e. enforce federal law). That is exactly the powers of the ICE.
It is highly unlikely that the courts would rule to prohibit states and local authorities from enforcing federal law - this would open a can of worms. The only issue would likely be that of equal protection, specifically the issue of detentions, but the law states that there must be reasonable cause and that helps to blunt any criticism that there would be sweeping detentions of Latinos without specific cause.
So I think that this law may well hold up in court. It reminds me of Prop 209 (the anti-affirmative action law) in California wherein the proposition simply restated current federal law against discrimination and added a prohibition on special considerations for any particular race. Even the liberal Nine Circuit couldn't find fault with Prop.209.
There may well be an injunction pending federal court hearings, but I think that the law likely hold up. Anyway, timing is everything and I suspect that the law was proffered and signed more for political reasons since mid-term elections are coming up.
Good see one liberal on HuffPost supports the law.
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I am a liberal living in Arizona and reluctantly support the new law. What is driving the support for this law is the crime, violence, kidnappings, and murders in Phoenix. Not racism.
We live in nice area and have had homes on our street broken into by illegal immigrants. Our friends next down the street found an illegal immigrant in their 14 year old daughters in her bedroom in the middle of the night. My buddy got a baseball and chased him out the house.
It turns out the guy had a criminal record for rape in Mexico. Until his US citizen cousin turned him in, one knew because he had entered the country illegally.
I would rather have trained INS or border patrol agents enforce the immigration laws instead of the police. The police should focus on preventing crime and protecting the citizens of Phoenix, like my friends family.
Instead we continue to have a federal government that ignores the violence in Arizona and on the border and the larger problems in Mexico. Mexico is third world country next to the richest country in the world.
The government continues to spend billions of dollars pursuing wars on other continents. We provide billions of dollars in foreign aid around the world.
I propose that we take some of the billions of dollars spent on wars and the billions aid used around the world focus on North America. A Mexico that is prosperous and stable like Canada would solve the problem."
What is particularly annoying is people who post about previous waves of immigration and Ellis Island.
They need to read up on the facts set out by Richwine:
"They’re not just like the Irish — or the Italians or the Poles, for that matter. The large influx of Hispanic immigrants after 1965 represents a unique assimilation challenge for the United States. Many optimistic observers have assumed — incorrectly, it turns out — that Hispanic immigrants will follow the same economic trajectory European immigrants did in the early part of the last century. Many of those Europeans came to America with no money and few skills, but their status steadily improved. Their children outperformed them, and their children’s children were often indistinguishable from the “founding stock.” The speed of economic assimilation varied somewhat by ethnic group, but three generations were typically enough to turn “ethnics” into plain old Americans.
This would be the preferred outcome for the tens of millions of Hispanic Americans, who are significantly poorer and less educated on average than native whites. When immigration skeptics question the wisdom of importing so many unskilled people into our nation at one time, the most common response cites the remarkable progress of Europeans a century ago. “People used to say the Irish or the Poles would always be poor, but look at them today!” For Hispanics, we are led to believe, the same thing will happen.
But that claim isn’t true. Though about three-quarters of Hispanics living in the U.S. today are either immigrants or the children of immigrants, a significant number have roots here going back many generations. We have several ways to measure their intergenerational progress, and the results leave little room for optimism about their prospects for assimilation.
Before detailing some of those analyses, we should recognize the importance of this question. If we were to discover that, say, Slovenian immigrants did not assimilate over several generations, there would be little cause for alarm. There are simply too few Slovenian Americans to change our society in a meaningful way. Hispanics, on the other hand, have risen from 4 percent to 15 percent of the American population since 1970. The Census Bureau projects that, if there is no change in immigration policy, 30 percent of the nation will be Hispanic by 2050. To avoid developing a large economic underclass, we need to confront the question of whether they will assimilate.
The children of Hispanic immigrants (the second generation) actually stay in school much longer and earn a considerably higher wage than their parents. In fact, the Hispanic rate of assimilation from the first to the second generation is only slightly lower than the assimilation rate of more successful groups of immigrants. Most second-generation Hispanics make up nearly as much ground as the children of European immigrants would if they grew up in the same disadvantaged situation.
But the good news ends there, and two problems arise. First, the second generation still does not come close to matching the socioeconomic status of white natives. Even if Hispanics were to keep climbing the ladder each generation, their assimilation would be markedly slower than that of other groups. But even that view is overly optimistic, because of the second, larger problem with Hispanic assimilation: It appears to stall after the second generation. We see little further ladder-climbing from the grandchildren of Hispanic immigrants. They do not rise out of the lower class.
http://nrd.nationalreview.com/article/?q=YjQ4N2EyMTQ4NzZjZmNlOWQwN2RiNTZjMWZiZDY4YzQ=
"But even that view is overly optimistic, because of the second, larger problem with Hispanic assimilation: It appears to stall after the second generation. We see little further ladder-climbing from the grandchildren of Hispanic immigrants. They do not rise out of the lower class."
The average Hispanic IQ is 90--a mere third of a SD above the lowly Negro. So it's inevitable that Hispanics will become the new Negro--violent, dependent, resentful.
See the Wise Latina
For several years, the meme of the left is that employers should be punished for hiring illegal aliens and that would control illegal immigration. It is easy for the left to promote this idea because it punishes the private sector while allowing illegal aliens to collect welfare.
Now the left is claiming that it is impossible to determine if someone is in this country legally or not. If the government cannot determine someone's immigration status, then how do progressives propose that private businesses determine an applicants immigration status. The left would scream profiling just as loud if the private sector was doing it as they are now claiming that Arizona is profiling.
Camlost, In India the last two years of high school are called "college" so that's where their "bachelors degree" comes from.
If Mexico were made a better place for Mezitzos to live, because the educated Mexicans were improving the economy through Call Centers, then I think we'd see a lot less of them coming over.
There could also be comprehensive and free courses for the Mezitzos to learn English and how to man a Call Center.
Bill Gates should be doing this.
"If Mexico were made a better place for Mezitzos to live, because the educated Mexicans were improving the economy through Call Centers, then I think we'd see a lot less of them coming over."
Are you joking? Until we get rid of the welfare state, there will be no end to the freeloaders streaming in from the south. Why work when you can get the same paycheck or better for sitting on your ever-widening ass?
Outsource to Mexico wrote - Camlost, In India the last two years of high school are called "college" so that's where their "bachelors degree" comes from
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Wrong, I am from India
There is a statewide exam at 10th grade and state wide exam at 12th grade and only then do
you go to college and the bachelors degree takes another 3 years for arts and commerce and another 4 years for engineering
Anon, illegals can't get welfare or food cards.
Ever try applying for those things? It's very strict.
"illegals can't get welfare or food cards"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporary_Assistance_for_Needy_Families
(formerly known as AFDC)
You mean the governor of Arizona is not a bleeding heart liberal hippie like y'all claim all women are?
"illegals can't get welfare or food cards"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporary_Assistance_for_Needy_Families
(formerly known as AFDC)
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The babies born in the USA are automatically citizens and it is THEY who get the assitance.
At any rate, the problem here is that Mexicans are Catholic and their Cult Leader tells them it's a "sin" to use contraceptives.
Simple minded and believing pious people will not want to commit "sins" so they have unprotected sex and thus the problem.
We should boycott their Cult Leader and forbid him from entering the United States and Mexico.
"Simple minded and believing pious people will not want to commit "sins" so they have unprotected sex and thus the problem."
They can't be paying that much attention to the "leader" because Mexicans have a lot of out of wedlock births.I'll be the vast majority ignore the Pope and use birth control, just like the vast majority of Catholics everywhere.
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