Essentially, opponents of this law contend anything less than unfettered immigration represents an egregious offense against civil rights. The "We are Human" slogan argues that the law dehumanizes illegal immigrants.One notes the basic presumption of liberalism and the commensurate philosophies of Communism and socialism: entitlement. Instead of procuring one's own wealth and maximizing one's genetic potential, leftists consider capital, in whatever form, as belonging to the collective rather the individual who earned it. This mode of thinking extends to the notion of citizenship and explicates the basic foundation of the debate. Hispanics believe, by mere virtue of birth and desire, they are entitled to American citizenship. They contend this birthright exists independent of occupational proclivity, cultural concordance, and nationalistic tradition. And then, to further compound the practical noxiousness, these poor illegals demand government largesse according to some convoluted formulation of human rights.
Quick thought experiment: Imagine a homeless man brazenly excoriating a local homeowner for refusing to house him. Similarly, Hispanic illegals and their naive American allies blithely demand capitulation in a similar manner. The insistence on acquiescence from the left, and their framing of this as abject jingoism, represents the complete undermining of the nationhood and the private domain.
This controversy perhaps underlies the basic strategy of the Obama era: form a coalition of non-whites and idealistic single women against the traditional white male class. Obama's recent campaign video ostensibly omits white males as if they don't even exist. Such a exclusion surely reflects a conscious effort from the President and his allies to spur an anti-traditional backlash against the presumed oppressive class. Apparently, not all of us are "human".
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leftists consider capital, in whatever form, as belonging to the collective rather the individual who earned it
That's why a leftist friend of mine is for confiscatory inheritance taxes. You owe "society" for what you have achieved, because there is a court system and cops preventing theft of what you own. Why it is that, since all citizens get these benefits, some citizens must pay more than others for them he cannot explain. When asked, he just repeats his mantra.
randian
Inheritance Tax (aka Death Tax) is not a lefty issue. It does not tax anything *you* achieved since the only *you* alive to pay the tax is the beneficiary who has done nothing.
In this sense the Inheritance Tax is pro-meritocracy and pro-individual fighting the tendencies for unearned, corrupt and disconnected oligarchy class to form which we see increasingly today and throughout nearly every nation's/empire's decline.
The beneficiary of an inheritance has achieved nothing but be born into a wealthy family or to a wealthy individual. That deceased individual seems increasingly likely to have also simply inherited their wealth rather than achieved anything of personal note as well, especially for the largest fortunes that support truly elite opinion makers.
It is a libertarian's fantasy that no government and naked capitalism leads to a stable and/or optimally functioning society. History shows it leads to corruption, decadence and decline as increasingly polarized elites within societies concentrate wealth and subvert public institutions like politics, the economy and the military for their own ends in an unsustainable positive feedback loop.
To be clear, Inheritance Tax is a necessary evil that should be steep but not 100%. The striving lower and middle class should be encouraged and allowed to pass some benefit to their children.
It should be steeply graduated for the massive family fortunes that give unfettered rise to the Kennedys and McCains of the world.
The alternative is to live under an oligarch society like Latin America, Africa or the Middle East where non-functioning inheritance rules allow unabashedly self-interested, unresponsive, out of touch family dynasties to rule.
We KNOW you're human. What a stupid strawman. Why don't they go picket the Mexican government for ITS treatment of illegal immigrants from ITS southern border.
What disturbs me the most is the way so many American Hispanics seem to support illegal immigration. They put their own ethnic cohort ahead of the nation.
Whites are kind of deracinated. While WNs seem to think this is a bad thing, I think it's better for the nation that an "ethnically neutral" force is in power. And mainly because of that I'd like it to remain that way.
Just look at Europe (or the ME recently)for an example of what being too fond of your "own kind" brings you.
The only counterargument to the AZ bill that I can think of is that they feel that Hispanics whether legal or not, will be stigmatized, relegated to second class citizenship, and "rounded up" by police. But, I doubt anyone sincerely believes that. And it sure as hell wouldn't happen in real life. We won't even enforce the letter of the law in this country much less implement draconian racial dragnets.
I would rather the law included some kind of penalty for employers knowingly hiring illegals, whether businesses or individuals.
-Killer Bee
Blaming Lefties for concept of open borders and automatic citizenship on birth? Pigs arse! Conservatives and Libertarians are the ones who are for open borders because they want cheap labour that's below minimum wage.
Conservatives and Libertarians are the ones who are for open borders because they want cheap labour that's below minimum wage.
No. There are some conservatives and libertarians for open borders, but they are a minority. It's liberals and leftists who overwhelmingly support open borders. They do it for racial reasons.
What disturbs me the most is the way so many American Hispanics seem to support illegal immigration.
I dunno, do they? I have not seen any hard data on that. My own sense is that its only a small minority of troublemakers protesting. I could be wrong though.
I dunno, do they? I have not seen any hard data on that. My own sense is that its only a small minority of troublemakers protesting. I could be wrong though.
I hope you're right. But, here in Los angeles, for the past 2 years we got to go home early to avoid the Mayday (May 1st) protests which are basically pro illegal immigrant rallies. True, last year was smaller, but it was still a large turnout. I believe the same was true of other major cities.
Also, the city of LA is talking about boycotting AZ. Paul Rodriguez cancelled a show in AZ.
-Killer Bee
My point above being that it seems like there are more than just a handful of legal Hispanics that support illegal immigration. It's not just a fringe or elite position.
-Killer Bee
Border enforcement/curtailing illegal immigration is the single most popular issue with voters. It is also popular among democrats. The party that embraces border enforcement/deporting illegals will get a boost.
Killer Bee -- If you are not for your own kind, you will be swept away because other groups practicising solidarity will sweep you away. It is simple game theory.
Hispanics want illegal immigrants because while it hurts them short term with lower wages, it allows them to take over the US and turn it into Mexico where they will run things. With Whites deported (as La Raza folks scream with signs "Go back to Europe") or made third class citizens.
So, while WN is a total failure, White solidarity and racial bloc voting is required if you want to maintain your majority (and not be a White guy in South Africa) much less be BACK OF THE LINE in every single resource controlled by Government: health care, education, jobs, hiring, promotions, loans, and pretty much everything else.
Since Government runs EVERYTHING.
I agree with Duncan Hunter -- kick out descendants of illegal aliens. More money for White folks. To be spent on health care.
Which is the wedge issue to break apart White Women -- free breast cancer screening/treatment with no expense spared -- all it costs is kicking out illegal aliens.
I just want one commentator like O'Reilly, or Hannity to get on some immigrant rights dude and ask him to approximate how many illegals are in the country. Let's say they low ball and estimate 10 million. Then present him with the actual number of illegals in US prisons. Assuming half of the illegals are men and nearly all incarcerated aliens are men, then the back of the envelope calculation would render a staggering crime rate. I just want to see those scum try to wiggle out of that.
Just look at Europe (or the ME recently)for an example of what being too fond of your "own kind" brings you.
I just don't see Europe as a good example of "being too fond of your own kind". Care to explain?
Hispanics believe, by mere virtue of birth and desire, they are entitled to American citizenship.
Does this mean that they would not have a problem with the U.S. annexing Mexico and making it a part of the U.S.?
@ kurt:
I wouldn't be surprised. The more "moderate" ones wouldn't admit this much, but that's essentially equivalent to their position.
Borders and nationhood mean nothing to these people.
OT - Galtonian, you may wish to comment on this one.
http://abovethelaw.com/2010/04/hls-3ls-racist-email-goes-national/
"Borders and nationhood mean nothing to these people."
Just like locusts.
Does this mean that they would not have a problem with the U.S. annexing Mexico and making it a part of the U.S.?
Out of sheer curiosity, outside of Mexicans, is there any group that wants the United States to conquer their country and absorb it into the United States? It's an informal joke in our family that the United States should simply annex Haiti and fix it and let white people run it, but that's due to the rather poor state of the country, especially post-earthquake. Regardless, does anybody even wish for annexation?
I've been reading commentary on this issue (and the related issue of Obama's 2010 campaign video here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh-yR1HWkbM&feature=player_embedded):
And I'm honestly getting scared. Liberals are beyond severely deluded; they're becoming dangerous. Auster has suggested the only solution is the breaking up of America into a liberal and a conservative state (ostensibly would include some outlier non-whites) and I'm starting to agree with him.
We're going to cross a threshold soon where it's simply too late. This Tea Party movement might be the last chance at saving our civilization.
To be clear, Inheritance Tax is a necessary evil that should be steep but not 100%.
No, it's ridiculously arbitrary. One man dies at 90; another dies at 50. The second man's descendants are taxed much more severely.
Nope, Libertarians may be championing open borders moreso than Conservatives. However both seem of the Homer Simpson Speech where they reckon that "this country is built by immigrants and they do the jobs that no one else wants to do".
The beneficiary of an inheritance has achieved nothing but be born into a wealthy family or to a wealthy individual.
The government and "society" have done nothing to deserve that money, either, so why should they have it? Especially because, in the case of the government, they have already taxed that money once. They got theirs already, they should keep their greedy mitts off the rest.
From a eugenic standpoint, we want smart, energetic people to breed. Therefore the inheritance tax should be zero so long as the deceased has sired (or borne) more than two children (four? five?) in his or her lifetime.
From a moral standpoint, that money is MY property, and I have an absolute right to dispose of it how I wish. Anyone else, including especially the state, has zero right to it.
Whiskey gets it, but he's one of the minority of white people who do. If we want to reverse the anti-white direction this country is going white people need to get some type of solidarity and form advocacy groups to speak out and promote their interests.
It's is definitely going to happen eventually anyway, so might as well get a head start. We've already adequately analyzed the problem to the Nth degree.
Intelligent guys like OneSTDV are still resistant to the idea for whatever reason, he had a drunk Polish uncle or something, but he's coming around.
Libertarians may be championing open borders moreso than Conservatives. However both seem of the Homer Simpson Speech where they reckon that "this country is built by immigrants and they do the jobs that no one else wants to do".
You don't seem to know any conservatives. Who do you think make up that 60% of Americans who support the Arizona law? Liberals?
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