Monday, March 29, 2010

NYT Book Review of The History of White People

This NYT article reviews The History of White People authored by Princeton historian Nell Irvin Painter, a scholar whose academic output wonderfully illustrates OneSTDV's Law of Black Intellectualism. I respond to the article below.
But the title is literally accurate, because the book traces characterizations of the lighter-skinned people we call white today, starting with the ancient Scythians. For those who have not yet registered how much these characterizations have changed, let me assure you that sensory observation was not the basis of racial nomenclature.
The reviewer, an NYU professor of history Linda Gordon, can't help but quickly divulge the distortion that will permeate her piece. Note she deems racial classifications as "nomenclature", implying that these categories reduce to subjective demarcations reflecting inherent (European) bias.
Exoticizing and sexualizing women of allegedly inferior “races” has a long and continuous history in racial thought; it’s just that today they are usually darker-skinned women.
Really? Tyra Banks is the only full black woman to ever appear on the cover of Maxim magazine (H/T: Chuck Ross) and according to this OKCupid study, black women are considered the least attractive potential romantic partners. Since the reviewer is white, this appears to be a projected case of Sailer's Law of Female Journalism whereby a white liberal fabricates a sexual hierarchy in order to raise the esteem of non-white women.
“Whiteness studies” have so proliferated in the last two decades that historians might be forgiven a yawn in response to being told that racial divisions are fundamentally arbitrary, and that deciding who is white has been not only fluid but also heavily influenced by class and culture.
She sees racial classification as so utterly unscientific as to merit merely a "yawn". But of course, actual science doesn't always yield to the prevailing "wisdom" of PC. Noah Rosenberg of UMich found:
In one of the most extensive of these studies to date, considering 1,056 individuals from 52 human populations, with each individual genotyped for 377 autosomal microsatellite markers, we found that individuals could be partitioned into six main genetic clusters, five of which corresponded to Africa, Europe and the part of Asia south and west of the Himalayas, East Asia, Oceania, and the Americas.

Loosely speaking, it is these small discontinuous jumps in genetic distance—across oceans, the Himalayas, and the Sahara—that provide the basis for the ability of STRUCTURE to identify clusters that correspond to geographic regions.
And here's more evidence concerning bone marrow donors, natural selection driving population differentiation, and this rather explicit finding showing racial groups as biologically based and corresponding to continents:
Numerous recent studies using a variety of genetic markers have shown that, for example, individuals sampled worldwide fall into clusters that roughly correspond to continental lines, as well as to the commonly used self-identifying racial groups: Africans, European/West Asians, East Asians, Pacific Islanders, and Native Americans (Bowcock et al. 1994; Calafell et al. 1998; Rosenberg et al. 2002).
She continues, summarizing the slight changes in the definition of "whiteness", all the while implying a non-static definition equates with a non-scientific concept.
In general, Western labels for racial superiority moved thus: Caucasian → Saxon → Teutonic → Nordic → Aryan → white/Anglo.
This parallels the machinations religious creationists engage in to thwart the foundations of evolution. But by such a standard, the Earth doesn't rotate around the Sun because scholars have continually updated the physics of the heavens. Science is a progressive concept; views change according to new evidence, such as that provided by the modern genomic age. The author then proceeds into the requisite denial of cognitive differences.
In the long run, the project of measuring “intelligence” probably did more than eugenics to stigmatize and hold back the nonwhite. Researchers gave I.Q. tests to 1,750,000 recruits in World War I and found that the average mental age, for those 18 and over, was 13.08 years. But I.Q. testing achieved success in driving the anti-immigration movement. The tests allowed calibrated rankings of Americans of different ancestries — the English at the top, Poles on the bottom.
FYI: Those IQ scores haven't changed despite undeniable educational and social ascension by non-white groups. Throughout the article, she seems to suggest that any collective "ranking" automatically incorporates some moral characterization. I won't deign to respond to this risible assertion as no one ever claims Ivy Leaguers have more moral value than state schoolers or that American Idol finalists are morally superior to your local church singer. Rankings of merit imply nothing but the mere facts of nature.
Painter points out, but without adequate discussion, that the adoration of whiteness became particularly problematic for women, as pale blue-eyed blondes became, like so many unattainable desires, a reminder of what was second-class about the rest of us.
So being "pale, blue-eyed, and blonde" is "unattainable"? I beg to differ. What she really means: it's "unattainable" in the sense that not everyone can have it and thus beauty doesn't conform to the egalitarian paradigm. She finishes by asking:
Also missing from the book is an analysis of the all-important question: Who benefits and how from the imprimatur of whiteness? Political elites and employers of low-wage labor, to choose just two groups, actively policed the boundaries of whiteness.
Ahh, the white privilege argument. As evidenced by this article and the academic and political framework in which it resides, a political elite that panders to whiteness is surely a vestige of our country's past. As she alludes with this statement, "[w]hiteness thus became a method of stigmatizing dissenting ideas, a marker of ideological respectability", whiteness used to represent a desirable category, as only groups such as radical, anti-Gentile Jews and non-assimilationist Italians shirked such a classification. But now, with the advent of a multicultural doctrine, whiteness has become a mark of emptiness ("Matt Wray..."), a delineation devoid of cultural richness, as if Western Civilization has nothing to offer its progeny. "Whiteness" has become synonymous with social awkwardness and jingoism instead of a WASP elite, technological proficiency, or a rich history. How far we've come indeed.

44 comments:

Anonymous said...

I guess these kinds of books really bother white nationalists? There's a feeling of helplessness when people so far from your reality are given national forums to display their non-reality realities. My suggestion is to not worry about it. If you guys are truly correct about diversity being the doom of America, then you'll have the last laugh anyway and will be held up as true Prophets. If you're wrong, then it won't matter and life will be OK. Find inner peace my brothers and sisters and even the most rundown ghetto can be heaven. If you do truly care for your people, create organizations that help the white elderly and white working poor.

Moderator: this is the corrected version of the post I attempted at 2:13AM. Please erase the 2:13 AM version as the mistakes will confuse the readers. Thanks,

ManOpeace

Statsaholic said...

Interesting that the review puts the word Intelligence in quotation marks!

Why don't they also put beauty in quotation marks?

"Exoticizing and sexualizing women of allegedly inferior 'races' has a long and continuous history in racial thought; it’s just that today they are usually darker-skinned women."

Um, the people who called non-Whites inferior didn't sexualize non-White women.

Even the alleged race mixer Thomas Jefferson wrote that he was against Whites and Blacks having sex, and he never said or wrote a single word in praise of the attractiveness of Non-Whites.

Very strange.

Ben said...

In a similar cultural marxist vein, see this article by Robert Jensen (no relation to Arthur I presume). I almost thought this was satire.

http://www.alternet.org/media/146040/what_white_people_fear

Anonymous said...

From the Bone Marrow site: "If a family member does not match the recipient, the Registry database is searched for an unrelated individual whose tissue type is a close match. It is more likely that a donor who comes from the same racial or ethnic group as the recipient will have the same tissue traits. "

Wow, such racist, inflammatory language! Especially the part about people of the same racial or ethnic group having the same tissue traits. I thought race didn't exist, it has no biological reality beyond skin color and other cosmetic features, according to "science". How come people who work in the bone-marrow transplant field continue to use outdated Nazi-like ideas about race? LOL

Anonymous said...

"If you guys are truly correct about diversity being the doom of America, then you'll have the last laugh anyway and will be held up as true Prophets."


Uh, I don't want the last laugh.

I want a functioning society for my children, grandchildren and descendants. The USA was established "for ourselves and our posterity". The reason whites are so patient is that we don't want to destroy what we have built. Obviously that is lost on immature brats who think life is some sort of game.

Liberals are overgrown whining teens. No wonder they don't want a bunch of kids. They aren't playing for keeps.

Anonymous said...

The most disturbing thing about articles like this are all the things they take for granted that are ultimately due to the European/Anglo-Saxon's founding of the U.S. In order for the Marxists and their mega-rich corporate allies(this is among the strangest alliances in history, but it works) to push their radical agenda, they have to sell the idea that white Americans, especially those uptight, philistine, culture-less Anglo-Saxons have no unique culture and are in desperate need of "diversity" from non-white culture-bearers(or sometimes white ethnics like Greeks or Italians).

No ethnic group in the U.S is as disparaged and vilified as the Anglo-Saxons. If a WASP is rich, they are boring, anal-retentive, out-of-touch "elitists". If they are poor WASPS, they are "hicks", "rednecks" or "white trash". It is strongly implied by the cultural Marxists that if the U.S had remained mostly Anglo-Saxon and northern European, it would be a culturally barren wasteland and very backward. This is why immigration is so "beneficial" for the U.S.

Never mind that it was the Anglo-Saxons who founded this country, and gave all these other groups the freedom to express their hatred of all things WASP. It is the Anglo-Saxon/Germanic foundation of this country that is America's strength, not "diversity". Our freedoms, our institutions all have Anglo-Saxon antecedents, or Roman or Greek ones. But because the truth is at odds with the push to bring in more Third World immigrants, the cultural Marxists have to build their entire ideology on lies.

Anonymous said...

Fron NYU's bio page on Linda Gordon

Select Publications:

Linda Gordon has specialized in examining the historical roots of contemporary social policy debates, particularly as they concern gender and family issues. Her first book was a documentary history of working women in the US (America's Working Women, orig. 1976, revised ed. 1995). She then turned her attention to the history of birth control; her book on that topic, Woman's Body, Woman's Right: The History of Birth Control in America, was a runner-up for the National Book Award in 1976 and was re-issued in an up-to-date revision in 1990. Her 1988 book, Heroes of Their Own Lives: The History and Politics of Family Violence, winner of the Joan Kelly prize of the American Historical Association, examined the history of child abuse, child sexual abuse and wife-beating. As a domestic violence expert, she serves on the Departments of Justice/Health and Human Services Advisory Council on Violence Against Women. More recently she turned her attention to the history of welfare. Her Pitied But Not Entitled: Single Mothers and the History of Welfare (1994), winner of the Berkshire Prize and Gustavus Myers Human Rights Award, explains how we ended up with a welfare program detested by recipients and non-recipients alike. Her 1999 book, The Great Arizona Orphan Abduction (Harvard University Press) uses a narrative about a 1904 white vigilante action against the Mexican American foster parents of white children to illustrate how family values and racism can interact. It was the winner of the Bancroft prize for best book in American history. Her most recent book, Dear Sisters, edited with Ros Baxandall (Basic Books, 2000), offers an historical introduction to the women’s movement of the 1970s through essays and documents.

NutUpOrShutUp said...

Actually when I was in a Barnes & Noble recently, I saw this book in the sociology section. Yes, Barnes & Noble has a whole section devoted to that Tim Wise type crap. The reason why I look at this section is that it is one of few places where you will find books like the Bell Curve and The 10000 Year Explosion being sold at Barnes & Noble. When I looked through The History of White People, I was surprised to find it was written by a black woman. Usually black women attend to be far more fair in their assessment of white people than black men. Good example is Carol Swain, who has written many books about race, and believes that white people have serious self interests. I would have thought an anti-white book would be more likely written by black guy, than a black gal. However, a lot of black women are becoming very aware of the fact that men in general do not find them attractive. I have noticed black women are starting to get angry and aggressive about this issue. My everyday encounters with young black women have become really hard lately. When I refuse to go out on dates with black women, they always accuse me of racism. The angry black woman is a new phenomenon we will have to deal with as a society. I feel sad for black women, however that does not mean I am going to pretend that I find them beautiful. I just do not know what to do.

Anonymous said...

Some anon said:


In order for the Marxists and their mega-rich corporate allies(this is among the strangest alliances in history, but it works)


Not really. Think about it. Redistribute wealth from those in the middle class (who have high future time orientation) as income to the lower classes (who will spend it like there is no tomorrow).

What's not to like for the corporate elites. It's a no brainer ... Useful idiots are useful to many.

Anonymous said...


When I refuse to go out on dates with black women, they always accuse me of racism.


I must be doing something right ... they don't ask me ...

JK said...

"Exoticizing and sexualizing women of allegedly inferior “races” has a long and continuous history in racial thought; it’s just that today they are usually darker-skinned women.

Really?"

"Sexualizing" women doesn't have to mean you are considering them attractive or desire them as sex partners for yourself. I know plenty of guys who think black women are unattractive; they also think they're whorish & more highly sexed/masculine in their sex drives than women of other races.

FeministX said...

Sailer law of female journalism deserves a corallary- The law of male blog commenting: comments written by men about how society should change so that they can feel more sexually secure.

Dalrock said...

The myth of white guys pining over black women really is a strange one. I've known a few guys who were attracted to black women, but they were by far not the norm. Even stranger is the idea that one should have to make excuses for their own taste. It is what it is.

Aside from appearance differences, I think even if I generally found black women attractive the scent of the grooming products typically used by black men and women would still turn me off. I don't think this is an "ethnocentric" or even HBD related issue. I just really don't like the petroleum product (or whatever it is) smell.

Wade Nichols said...

ManOpeace

Obsidian has apparently "rebranded" himself.

The angry black woman is a new phenomenon we will have to deal with as a society.

"Angry black woman" - That's redundant!

New phenomenon? Hardly!

Anonymous said...

Exoticizing and sexualizing women of allegedly inferior “races” has a long and continuous history in racial thought


Naturaly the obsessive feminist had to work her own skewed ideas into a book nominally about race.

Underachiever said...

FemX,

hahaha.

NutUpOrShutUp said...

@FemX

I find you very insightful, and I would have to say that your comment about male insecurity applies to me. I really do not hate black women, but I do have some insecurity over the fact that no women of other races like me but black women. I sometimes wish I was attracted to black women, and then I would be in a sexual paradise. My life is truly sad, but I accept my predicament.

Anonymous said...

In the Vancouver area they often have <a href="http://www.vancouversun.com/health/More+stem+cell+donors+sought+among+Chinese/2724166/story.html> champagnes </a> to encourage non-white ethnic groups to sign up as bone marrow donors. The non-white groups are usually greatly under represented as donors of pretty much anything :(

Anonymous said...

"Aside from appearance differences, I think even if I generally found black women attractive the scent of the grooming products typically used by black men and women would still turn me off. I don't think this is an "ethnocentric" or even HBD related issue. I just really don't like the petroleum product (or whatever it is) smell."

All perfumes and colognes should be banned from the workplace.I hate it when white women weat it also. Pefume and hair products are a scam. That stuff is toxic. Just google perfume toxic.

Let me clue women in on something. No guy cares about perfume. I never had a guy tell me he was attracted to a woman because she smelled good.

Anonymous said...

"The myth of white guys pining over black women really is a strange one. I've known a few guys who were attracted to black women, "

It's too bad that most white women are ugly. There just aren't very many decent looking women in America. It's sad.

Wade Nichols said...

The non-white groups are usually greatly under represented as donors of pretty much anything

Tell me about it!

Whenever I donate blood at the Red Cross, the only black people I ever see there are the nurses. Very rarely are there any black donors, and this is in NYC.

But of course, "great thinkers" such as Raina Kelley will attribute the lack of black blood donors to: "black people's lingering fears resulting from the racism of the Tuskegee Experiment", or some other ivory tower non-quantifiable drivel.

Dalrock said...

Anon,

I'm not talking about perfumes, although I agree that they can easily be overpowering. Especially when worn by senior citizens.

I was talking about the tar pit smelling stuff many black women (and men) use on their hair. This isn't a case of too much of a good thing, but I suspect an unavoidable side effect of a product used for a specific purpose. Although I'm guessing for those who are used to it it no longer smells bad. I know shooters who love the smell of gun cleaning solvents (Hoppes #9 Nitro Solvent), for example.

Dalrock said...

@NutUpOrShutUp

FemX really smoked you out!

Planet Grok said...

"I know shooters who love the smell of gun cleaning solvents (Hoppes #9 Nitro Solvent), for example."

Are they black also? Most shooters are....

Egg Up Speak Up said...

ShutUpNutUp, what is your ethnic background? Black women are not "known" to be excessively (or even moderately) attracted to non-Black men.

What do you think it is about you that they like? Do you joke with them and make them laugh alot or something? Or otherwise give off a "sexy" vibe or is there something in your overall demeanor that might hint at exceptional skills in bed?

Dalrock said...

@Planet Grok
Are they black also? Most shooters are....

I don't think most folks who hold their guns sideways while shooting from a moving car bother to clean them. :)

I'm not sure where you are located, but here in Dallas I do see black shooters at the gun range. But most people I see either at the range or the gun store are white or hispanic. As Heinlein suggests, this is an exceptionally polite group of folks.

Cornelius Troost said...

If ever two women symbolized our inverted society they are Nell Painter and Linda Gordon. Fortunately, I have not read a single word either of them wrote.They are symtoms of societal pathology rather than paragons of intellectual enquiry.

How do I know them if I haven't read them? Well, would Nell Painter have a job at Princeton if she were white? Would Linda Gordon get numerous rewards if she were Michelle Malkin? I am being very serious. These ladies are thriving in a twisted liberal society that quite literally prohibits my books while readily publishing Painter's ignorant rantings.

Remember the critical thinking book called Higher Superstition: The Academic Left and its Quarrels with Science, by Paul Gross and Norm Levitt? It includes chapters on the Linda Gordons who despise men and interpret all modern social problems as related to male deficiencies. The book skewers the leftist quacks who use faulty logic and misinformation to represent men in a way that suits their paradigm. On the other hand we have black social scientists who attribute all evils to whites while claiming cultural achievements by Africans that are simply lies.Gross and Levitt are relentless in showing how the feminists and Afrocentrists are dangerous demagogues free to sell their snakeoil with relative impunity.Post-modern horsecrap has arrived mixed with a liberal dose of racism.

Long before any liberal but authoritarian order achieves its goal, it will be destroyed by those who believe in differences that favor their group. They will eliminate the competition.The world right now looks far more Hobbsian than Rousseauist.In his book called The Coming Anarchy, the liberal Robert D. Kaplan sees new battles across the world that will make our effete liberals look like cannon fodder. The quest for equality is Promethean because the coddling of minorities only encourages them to discover new ways to emphasize their "uniqueness" if not superiority. If individuals and groups are unequal, a fair playing field will magnify those distinctions. If, however, it is unfair, we all live in jealosy, fear, and hatred.Of course, even a fair society could end up with negative emotions because of unequal outcomes so the increasing anxieties of today may get worse as distinctions are not erased but are reformulated by minorities to announce the obverse about race. Myths have triumphed in the ignorant past. They could well return in an inverted society.Only if HBD goes mainstream in a liberal democracy can we learn to tolerate unequal outcomes and happily adjust to reality.Right now two societies lead the world in education: Russia with 55% college-educated and the USA with about 50%. Look at them: one is poor and highly corrupt while the second has about 25 million illegal aliens , mostly illterate, to help bring a once-great nation to its knees.Russia is authoritarian and superficially diverse while we are democratic but imprisoned in PC madness, declining morally, and trapped in a demographic cesspool.Not a pretty picture and I never mentioned our vast national debt!

NutUpOrShutUp said...

@Egg Up Speak Up

I am tall, blond, and blue eyed, but fat. I look like a fat version of an SS officer from a Nazi propaganda poster. As for other things like my demeanor, I am just a friendly white guy who is not scared of black people. I usually talk to black people as if they were human beings, and not hairless apes like most whites including liberals. Actually I am friendly with everybody. However, many black people get mad or at least shocked how racial conscious I am as a white man, even though I still treat them with respect they do not get from other white males.

@Dalrock

Yeah she smoked me out. I am honest since I am not scared of a small Indian girl who is likely smarter than me, you, and half the commentators on Onestdv. I think her comment was directed to all of the white male commentators on this blog post anyway. I am just the one white male commentator who has the balls to admit she is right about me at least. Also I am not sexually attracted to her, so I do not feel like I have to put up a tough front with her.

Asher said...

@FeministX, NutUporShutUp

Um, male sexual insecurity is an objective fact of life. Unlike the laws of black intellectualism and female journalism, male sexual insecurity is mind-independent.

Male sexual competition is deadly serious evolutionary business. On the other hand, black intellectualism and female journalism are piddling, silly little things that only exist because white men, for millenia, forged civilization. They are like sparkly little baubles adorning the facade of pretty things attached to the structure constructed by white male history.

In fact, it's not unreasonable, although somewhat hyperbolic, to say that civilization is an unintended product of the quest for greater (white and asian) male sexual security.

Asher said...

Have you people even bothered to read Hobbes? Because if you had you'd realize that civilization's raison d'etre is to reduce insecurity, of which sexual insecurity is a sub-specie.

Ugh, it'd be nice to feel like, for once, I'm not communing with grunting savages. No, that's not a racially-tinged comment.

levi johnston said...

Why is Rosenberg in bold?

You some kinda heeb, man?

Anonymous said...

Feminist X you are becoming increasingly nasty and I'm not talking about you flashing your bush.

Pas de touché?.

NutUpOrShutUp said...

@Asher

Good point, that is why I am not afraid of admitting my insecurities. It is basically human nature, it would be unnatural if I was not insecure at all. FeministX is a smart woman, but she assumes that all males should live by her standards. I attend to respect the fact that women and men have different interests. I attend to respect the fact that blacks and whites have different interests. I really do not like how some people construct a universal morality based on their own self interests. Thanks for your input, Asher.

Dalrock said...

@Nutup

I evidently misread your previous comment. I thought you were teasing her.

FeministX said...

NutUp, you are charming.

Anon, I've always been as critical as I am now. I guess my readers were so blinded by the sight of a nude woman that they forgot that things that look nice aren't always nice.

Queen Maeve said...

"It is the Anglo-Saxon/Germanic foundation of this country that is America's strength, not "diversity"

I agree mostly. The English certainly created this country. But if you are going to add Germans to the list you should also add the Scots, Dutch, Irish and French. Those groups have all also been here since the beginning, before most of the Germans arrived even and in pretty large numbers.

Asher said...

@FemX

Odd that you didn't have a response to my pointed and concise criticism. Typical feminist.

@NutUp

Ugh, didn't you even read my comment. You don't "FEEL" insecure you "ARE" insecure. Insecurity is an objective, mind-independent fact of biological existence. No species is immune from the brute fact of biological insecurity.

OneSTDV said...

I e-mailed Dr. Gordon this post asking for a response. I'm not holding my breath, but I'd love to see her engage with someone outside the Ivory Tower echo chamber in which she resides.

Anonymous said...

Whenever a tippy libby or an overly sensitive neocon get up in arms over any comments on the attractiveness of Black women, first thing they do is to trot out a light skinned, mulatto, or East African instead of dark skinned and West African women. That tells me more about them libs than the person who raised the question. Hypocritical libbies don't think Black women are attractive unless they're mixed. All too often, libbies feel guilty about their race and culture, so they trot out mulattoes to make themselves feel good. Sad, but true.

Renee

Too tall Jones said...

A large number of scientists see racial classification as having little biological validity (Templeton 1999, Armelagos 2001, Keita 2004, 1997, etc etc etc etc). To point this out is hardly "liberal distortion" but solid mainstream science. Noah Rosenberg holds to the race concept, and that is fine. He has his critics though and is hardly the last word on race classifications.

Anon said:
Never mind that it was the Anglo-Saxons who founded this country, and gave all these other groups the freedom to express their hatred of all things WASP. It is the Anglo-Saxon/Germanic foundation of this country that is America's strength, not "diversity".

Actually the idea of democracy in the Western tradition is considered by most scholars to derive primarily not from your pace-setting "Anglo-Saxons" but from NON Anglo Saxons like the Greeks. Get your facts straight at this most elementary level. And much of the foundational thought as regards a covenant between people and rulers, as under a divine law, derives from a Semitic people, aka Jews or Hebrews, not the precious.. In fact, the religion of the precious Anglos is based on that of this Semitic people. And gasp! race category scholar Noah Nosenberg is a Jew! Dang! Sorry..

Anonymous said...

Why does it matter that the race scholar is a Jew, too tall? No one here took umbrage with that or mentioned it like it had any greater meaning... except you.

femX, I must be sexually insecure, because when I'm fucking my girl, I slap her across the face and call her a little slut. This gets her off because she has obviously been enslaved and brainwashed by the evil patriarchy.

Svigor said...

It's too bad that most white women are ugly. There just aren't very many decent looking women in America. It's sad.

The trouble here is people put your statements on a curve to correct for bias. E.g., we know that if you set the majority of White women to "ugly," that makes virtually all black women "monstrously ugly" and virtually all yellow women "even uglier."

No getting around the fact that White women have black, yellow, brown, sepia, red, and Ashkenazi women beat, hands down. It isn't even close.

Svigor said...

A large number of scientists see racial classification as having little biological validity (Templeton 1999, Armelagos 2001, Keita 2004, 1997, etc etc etc etc). To point this out is hardly "liberal distortion" but solid mainstream science. Noah Rosenberg holds to the race concept, and that is fine. He has his critics though and is hardly the last word on race classifications.

Yeah, let's get all the scientists together and have them vote on scientific truth. 'Cause that's scientific, and stuff.

No, wait, I forgot the first step. FIRST, we make sure they know there will be negative social consequences to voting the wrong way. THEN we get them all together and have them vote.

Science, baby!

Similarly, we know Communism kicked ass, because 5/5 scientists living under it said so.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but the stated perceptions of your "large number" of scientists is worth jack shit, outside of telling us where the pressure's coming from.

Svigor said...

"Solid Mainstream Science" is definitely not a social construct.