Lori Gottleib has put out a book entitled Marry Him: The Case for Settling for Mr. Good Enough, or more appropriately: Marry Him: The Case for Settling for a Supplicating, Nice Guy Beta. Feminist zealots and their mainstream enablers, those female journalists forever confirming Sailer's Law of Female Journalism (ironically, I'm the first Google result), are none too pleased with Ms. Gottleib's advice. But they don't see it the way those aware of female hypergamy do:
and compromise their desires and values in a partner by putting their ovaries before their own happiness.These women actually believe female attraction is based on common interests, values, and all that other stuff. This was true of our grandparent's generation, but the sexual liberation movement has allowed female hypergamy to flourish and thus undermine the social capital corresponding to these positive personality traits. What Gottleib advises is a socially palatable way of saying: "Settle for Mr. Nice guy who treats you well, but isn't the alpha cad you really want."
telling women to settle for men with shortcomings like bad breath—and not hold out for a big, heart-clenching love.
But it's a leap of illogic to suggest that the answer is for women to settle for humdrum marriages with men you tolerate so you can have a father for your children.
I have high standards when it comes to men I would share my life with and so do most of my female friends and family. But those standards are based good values.
And she blames this on feminism and to an extent, she's right.
The problem, as Gottlieb sees it, is that women were told they could have it all, which meant not compromising in any aspect of life, including dating (which is odd because people who can't compromise aren't feminists, they are just generally unpleasant people). Then women got so fussy that they "empowered themselves out of a mate."Feminism represents both an economic initiative and a social one. But the two are entangled and both derive from the same female objective. Feminism started out mostly amongst ugly women eager for a more libertine sexual environment where they'd have a better shot and lesbians eager to undermine any traditional concept of sexuality in order to norm their irregular preferences. The movement morphed into what Gottleib describes above: a generation of empowered women eager to assert their independence, free from the economic burden of joblessness, and able to pursue sexual freedom without restriction. The mainstream deemed this a pursuit of equality, but it's actually a reflection of female hypergamy.
Feminism, by enervating the social stigmatization of late marriages, ultimately represents an audacious attempt to civilize the alpha male cad. Women no longer "settle" for a man of lesser value, a man who doesn't ignite their carnal desires (read: beta), instead delaying marriage in an attempt to wrangle a member of the alpha male class. Females are no longer encumbered by an early (beta) marriage merely for social and economic support; they are now self-sufficient and thus free to pursue any man of their choosing. Marriage, children, traditional homes, and the nuclear family are all obstacles in the pursuit of the alpha male fantasy. Fittingly, they delay these mainstays of the responsible female in a tortured quest to meet their alpha prince charming. The notion of equality is but window dressing for the true objective that underlies feminism.
But, of course, we can't expect the mainstream to accept or voice such stark representations of the sexual marketplace.
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It's been said before "Don't listen to what women say, watch what they do."
In the case of the New York Times article, I'd say "Don't listen to what women say -- LOOK AT WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE."
The main girl quoted as saying there was no one on campus she would consider dating is simply unattractive. If I remember correctly, in college all the unattractive girls used to make like they were "too good" to date college guys. Remember that?
This is probably the sample of women the reporter drew from. All the nice looking girls, after all, would not have had reason to complain. There is a disconnect between adults and youth anyway, and reporters always look for the freakish, so I would not buy ANYTHINg in these articles.
Addendum: I neglected to mention that the girls mentioned in the story are easily found online in Facebook, but you all assumed that already, right?
One of the things my wife and I have talked about is the removal of all restraints from women regarding their worst instincts. Men grow up bombarded with endless messages on not overly indulging their maleness. Women are shown images suggesting it is heroic to frivolously spend money. Likewise, women are encouraged to discuss every flaw of their mates, and whenever we see this in the media the complainers are seen as the wronged party.
This does no one any good, because we all need to curb our baser instincts.
I suspect that nature will take care of this before too long if we don't get a handle on it as a society. Feminist conventional wisdom is you can safely delay marriage/children until your late thirties or even your forties. But their ovaries didn't get the memo. So the "Sex and the City" crowd won't have nearly as many children as more traditional women. Whether the traits involved are cultural or genetic, the children of women who elect to marry instead of barhop will have a distinct and continuing advantage.
Not all women "settle" for so-called beta males. Some of us WANT so-called beta males and actively seek them out!
I'm happy to say I got mine -- and we've been together for 16 years now. :-)
My only problem with the NYT article is that they interviewed a lot of sorority girls.
Dating within the "Greek" system has been like this for a while (see the movie Animal House) since sorority girls tend to like to date fraternity guys.
So, their dating pool has always been smaller than the regular population of college students.
My advice for young men wanting to get laid in college is: join a frat.
Side note: I do agree with Roissy that if the numbers start to skew too much (like 80% F & 20% M), women will start to get so desperate that they will have to lower their standards significantly.
My big caveat is that I don't think that college is that great of a return anymore (at least, State Colleges).
It isn't that hard for a girl to marry a great guy if she is young. The big mistake is waiting till they are no longer attractive before looking for Mr. Right. Parents should tell daughters that the longer they wait, the lower they will have to settle. Today's parents don't protect daughters from what they should and instead try to protect them from what isn't a danger, earlier marriage. Any 20 year old is more attractive than the same chick at 30.
Geez is this rant a way of OneSDTV saying he can't land one of those horny Alpha women? At least when an Alpha gets knocked back by such a women at least he keeps it concise by saying "f**king lesbian".
Marriage, children, traditional homes, and the nuclear family are all obstacles in the pursuit of the alpha male fantasy. Fittingly, they delay these mainstays of the responsible female in a tortured quest to meet their alpha prince charming. The notion of equality is but window dressing for the true objective that underlies feminism.
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Really, you think most women are this way, even fat, unattractive and/or proly women as well?
Yes most women are this way. Feminism is really just the unmoderated pursuit of Alpha cads. Empowered women simply Alpha chasers.
That's all there is to it ... from Snooki from Jersey Shore to Sorority Girls to professional, graduate degree women. You might find different vocabularies, an appreciation for imported wine, or facility in French, Spanish, or Italian among the more educated. But the motivations are just like Snooki's.
They just lack the spray-on tan.
Thanks for bringing up Snooki.
In one episode, she was describing a guy she liked by saying this:
"I like him. He's a huge asshole, but then he's nice. And that's what I like."
Classic push-pull strategy of Game. Of course, higher class women would be wary of admitting that like Snooki does.
"Not all women "settle" for so-called beta males. Some of us WANT so-called beta males and actively seek them out!
I'm happy to say I got mine -- and we've been together for 16 years now. :-)"
Nice of you to cut his balls off in a public forum. Ouch!
Settling for a joe schmoe beta is just plain gross.
I am being completely serious here. I would chop some of my fingers off before marrying Mr. Average Beta. If I never get married, I'll have kids with a gay guy before an insipid beta.
Anonymous said: "Nice of you to cut his balls off in a public forum. Ouch!"
I don't know what you mean by this. You're gonna have to clarify.
FeministX: "Settling for a joe schmoe beta is just plain gross.
"I am being completely serious here. I would chop some of my fingers off before marrying Mr. Average Beta."
Why? From what I can see, those guys that almost everyone in the HBD world refers to as "beta males" (I prefer to say "so-called beta males") are geeks, nothing more nothing less. And let me tell you, it is the geeks (mostly White geeks, btw) that have built pretty much everything that is great in our world today. The fact that we can have this conversation on our computers on the internet in the comfort of our heated homes is all due to so-called beta males.
Some alpha males, the ones who really lead men and don't just coach useless football teams, are also worth their weight in gold. While I've always found them attractive, of course, I was never interested in marrying one 'cause I'm a geek girl and could never imagine what on earth we'd have to talk about for the rest of our married days.
As for other alpha males, like sports jocks, or Roissy-alphas (in other words cads) -- well they are just a waste of space an energy.
Cordilia says:
"Why? From what I can see, those guys that almost everyone in the HBD world refers to as "beta males" (I prefer to say "so-called beta males") are geeks, nothing more nothing less."
Why do geeks deserve top-notch pussy again?
I have never understood why nerds whine and whine so much about not getting pretty girls when they themselves are not really that great looking.
These same geeks want hot women, not geeky ugly/fat women. So, they are prejudiced against themselves (aka ugly/fat people)!
I guess it is like that old Groucho Marx saying: I don't want to belong to a club that would let someone like me in.
Whiskey says:
"Yes most women are this way. Feminism is really just the unmoderated pursuit of Alpha cads."
Women want Alpha men (generally), BUT NOT ALL ALPHA MEN ARE CADS.
Bear Grylls is an example of an Alpha male who is not a cad (he has a wife and kids). If he was single, he could walk into any bar and probably pick up the hottest chick in the room.
Leonardo DiCaprio, on the other hand, is an example of an Alpha male who is a cad (different girl every week).
So, see Alphas can come in BOTH cad or dad form.
The fact is that women don't like to talk about operating systems or what the coolest video game is or about the general solutions to the wave equation.
Women want an interesting man who they are attracted to.
My advice to guys who are having trouble and want to pick up girls is this: hit the gym (get a six-pack to replace that pot-belly), get some interesting hobbies (so you actually have something interesting to talk about with women), and grow a pair of balls (ask out women until you get a "yes").
And before you people say I am too "old and don't know what I am talking about," I am 27 and got marred 3 years ago.
So STFU.
Whoops, that last sentence should read "married" not marred.
Although, considering how married life has been, maybe "marred" is the proper term.
Geek-style betas live in a world where they are laughed at, even by fellow geeks, for lowering their standards. I imagine women live in a similar state, but I'm focusing on geeks right now.
If I had to guess, it would be that geek-betas are uncomfortable seeing reminders of their own low market value, and would rather just complain about women alone than confront reality.
Anecdotal evidence: Two of my college friends dated fat chicks. They are still together, and by all appearances happy. They were mocked to their faces. I dated a very cute, but very slutty girl for about three months. I was mocked for her sluttiness. But then, the three of us were the only ones who ever got dates. Except for thes egirls, our entire social circle consisted of geeky engineers.
While attraction is largely biological, there is a social pressure element that the article touches on. We're social creatures who fear disapproval and ostracization, and it sometimes appears that we have the choice between two kinds of loneliness. Settling is partly the recognition that your friends might mock you for your romantic choices, but most will not abandon you.
I think settling gets easy for older women when they get old enough that they are mocked more for being alone than for being with a loser.
Cordelia
Not all women "settle" for so-called beta males. Some of us WANT so-called beta males and actively seek them out!
I'm happy to say I got mine -- and we've been together for 16 years now. :-)
You're gen X. It's reputedly a lot worse with gen Y, with the increase in slutting around w/alphas through girls 20s. That includes girls who are 6's and 7's on a 10 scale in hotness. Alphas tend to like lots of casual sex.
Soft polygamy in their 20s in other words, with male 6s left out and male 7's maybe able to land a girlfriend to have sex with in their 20s and maybe not if he's wanting a same level female 7.
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