Two previous posts
here and
here have discussed important racial issues concerning American whites, notably the formation of a white ethnostate. A few issues brought up in the comment sections remain unresolved, so I'll attempt to deal with them here.
al fin: If you include / exclude on the basis of a combined IQ and Executive Function score, you are far more likely to achieve viability in your micro-state than if you go by pure ethnic criteria.This is an important question. If a state intends for long term productivity, why not target the best individuals rather than the best ethnic or racial populations? For the short-term, the former strategy is surely more efficient; individual merit of employees or residents will create the most stable societies. Indiscriminate choices by race will have a trivial effect on success. But in this discussion, the germane institution is the formation of a
long-term state or country. Thus, subsequent generations must be considered. If only IQ is considered, regression to the mean will affect all populations, but especially so for NAM groups where the initial IQ filtering will prove futile. Look at these
SAT scores by parent's educational attainment. Note the children (1st generation!) of graduate degree blacks are slightly less economically useful than the children of white/Asian high school graduates. That means if you recruit a large number of black lawyers and doctors, their cohort of children will become blue collar workers; while the children of whites/Asians will likely be comfortably middle and upper class.
Mark said: What benefit is there to keeping a sizable Asian population? Do you like Chinese food that much? :)mike said: More productive and law-abiding, yes, but still, ultimately, looking out for their own co-ethnics above whites.I like the joke, Mark. But their food has too many carbs and I don't have "yellow fever" either. Why do I consider Asians to be supportive? 'mike' basically said it: "they're productive and law-abiding". It's that simple. And perhaps they engage in racialism, but a strong individualistic and capitalistic system makes pleas for racial quotas and ethnic placation futile. I do agree that Asian immigration should be limited, per Sailer's "
citizenism" and the arguments in my last post.
Jobling, 'mike', and 'ASDF' ask: Why does a White Ethnostate NEED to be justified?Perhaps they have a good point. If the formation of this white ethnostate constituted American whites moving to an uninhabited piece of land, then surely, there's nothing immoral about wanting to live with similar persons. Yet, a white ethnostate implies exclusion of others and here's where the main need for justification comes. If a smart, kind, hard-working black man like Thomas Sowell or Will Smith wants to join the country and he's excluded for a dumb, criminal white man, I think there should be reasoning behind that besides "We're keeping our country white". Such an assertion ignores the concept of individual, completely dismissing a black man's individual merit merely on the basis of his blackness. But excluding him can be justified given my previous arguments and the need for cultural preservation. It's not the black man himself, but the repercussions of a large black population that justifies a white ethnostate.
Second, every country requires a "mission statement". In America, this is expressed in Article I of the Constitution and continues as an endlessly repeated fundamental truth in current society:
All men are born free and equal, and have certain natural, essential, and unalienable rights; among which may be reckoned the right of enjoying and defending their lives and liberties; that of acquiring, possessing, and protecting property; in fine, that of seeking and obtaining their safety and happiness.
I get chills reading that. So what is the mission statement of a white ethnostate? "Just because"? No, you have to provide some underlying principles for your state. I think Jason's statement here makes a good case, as well as the two I provided in the last post: "Every race and ethnic group should have the right to have its own place under the sun for the sake of its own racial and cultural preservation." Like freedom and liberty for the individual, do racial collectives have the right to exist? I'd have to think about that longer and get down to the first principles of such an argument, but it seems reasonable.
Likely Problems With a White Ethnostate
1) What about the SWPL's?A white ethnostate isn't going to be filled entirely with Buckley and Reagan conservatives. Inevitably, it will include many SWPL's. Looking at the "whitest" voting blocs, 47% of white voted for Obama, he of the anti-white pastor and animus towards whiteness. Even amongst the "whitest" voting group, Evangelicals, Obama obtained a full quarter of their votes (26%).
2) Ethnic NepotismAs 'al fin' said, American whites are a rather heterogeneous group, comprised of ethnic groups with a history of conflict. To assert that a white ethnostate would be devoid of group and identity politics ignores all the lessons of history. Even amongst a racial collective, individuals will form subgroups based on ethnic culture and bonds. It's foreseeable that ethnic conflict between Italians and WASPs, Germans and French, or Catholics and Protestants become heightened as now those differences manifest without the need for the wider racial category of "white" (as a distinction from "black" or "Asian"). Besides social turmoil, political and economic representation might arise. And when one group starts fighting for their share of the pie, this will inevitably be taken from another.
Let me finish with a few passages from Sailer's defense of "citizenism". It summarizes my opposition to white racialism:
This is the conundrum at the heart of white nationalism—that it encourages white Americans to act less like white Americans and more like nonwhites.
Over the last millennium, something perhaps unique in world history occurred in Europe, especially in its northwestern quadrant (and, in later years, in its offshoots like America): a movement away from the fractiousness of clan and tribe, but without the usual congealment into despotism.
By inventing nationalism, this corner of the world managed to figure out how to make possible the squaring of the circle of combining individual freedom with cooperation on an enormous scale. The results of nationalism included enormous military power, domestic (but not always international) peace, wealth, cultural glories, and at least the possibility of self-rule and personal liberty.
The only problem with the above passages is the coming white minority. The argument against immigration is pretty simple:
look at their home countries. We can't blindly ignore the need for America having a significant portion of whites. Name one successful country with a 50% NAM population. Without a majority white population, this is no longer the America landing on the moon or winning the Cold War without firing a shot. Similarly, if Japan became white, Italy became British, or Panama became Asian, those constitute the same country in name only.
Does this view imply whites are the supreme race? No, racial value is an illogical construct, only individual value exists. But have white societies proven to be, by far, the most successful? Yes and HBD offers several reasons to explain this.
Question to my readers: Am I veering into extremism? Or are these arguments supported by HBD?