Parallel to this discussion, Beta Prime has an ongoing series intending to allay discord between the two groups. In response to the VFR thread, Mangan penned a great rejoinder dispelling the reductionist myth of HBD:
HBD, broadly speaking, is a point of view that says that the facts of human biology have been massively overlooked or suppressed as explanations in politics, education, sociology, criminology, sex relations, war, sports, and just about any other field of human endeavor. As such, it possesses great explanatory power for the problems that plague the world, and even manages to suggest a few solutions. But that it is reductionist is no more true of HBD than it is for, say, economics.Towards the beginning of blogging, I discussed a similar argument in regards to liberal creationists. HBD denialists often assert that HBD is too simplistic and that the interweaving of culture, technology, and oppression provide a more thorough explanation. But as I show below, even incredibly complex human systems can be reduced to a single parameter.
Basketball is a multifaceted game that requires its participants to have quickness, agility, strength, endurance, toughness, and athleticism. Each game is fast-paced, unpredictable, and each move is subject to numerous variables. Let's engage in a thought experiment. Take 1,000 random white men (control for race and gender) above 5'10'' and 1,000 below 5'10''. Split them into teams of 5 and have a round robin tournament. I guarantee the teams comprised of the taller men will have a higher winning percentage than teams comprised of the shorter men. We can contribute this to a number of external factors, such as the taller men probably have more playing experience or the shorter men might have been subject to stereotype threat.IQ (and its relation to race) functions in the same manner as height in the above analogy. Finally, as Mangan and I both note, HBDers don't reduce humanity and his functioning to an entirely biologically based existence. The generally accepted nature/nurture split is around 70/30. That means 30% of human outcome is predicated on some nebulous combination of culture, luck, parenting, and a multitude of other factors. Here is where Auster's argument fails and where social cons can more satisfyingly accept HBD. In this remaining 30%, social conservatives can interject their spiritual and faith-based concerns. In such a formulation, HBD does NOT reduce to only the empirical; as a result, Auster and his ideological peers can describe humanity through both the material and the incorporeal.
But it's rather obvious, even in such a complex system as a game of basketball with multiple external factors, one simple number basically explains the entirety of the data: height. The taller men were conferred a tremendous, inherent advantage due simply to their height.
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Dear OneSTDV ! Thank you for good post.
You may want to give another example from basketball. There was an assumption that within the basketball teams of highest level there should be a correlation between height and performance (I do not know how one can measure the latter, but somehow people do measure it.)
Surprise: actual study have shown absence of such correlation. What the heck; it should be !!!
Then comes the observation that all of the players of that high- level teams are above 6 feet 3 inches.*) This number is much higher than the population average, so the selection by the height have already been performed. After that initial criterion has been met, other factors of the individual start coming into play: attitude, metabolism, luck, coach, etc. But even this “absence of correlation” goes on the background of strongly elevated (in comparison with the general population) height.
I have heard many times that supposedly this or that great scientist did not have very large IQ. There even may be no correlation of IQ with the probability for a scientist of a Professor level to get the results at the Noble Prize level. I am even ready to agree with this statement. However, to become a Professor in hard sciences, you probably have to have IQ above 135. After that initial criterion is met, there are many other factors.
Your truly, Florida resident.
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*) I cite this particular height by memory, the actual number may be different.
"[Note: The godfather of HBD, Steve Sailer, is a practicing Catholic.]"
I ask again, where is the evidence for this?
I found one article, where he writes:
"For example, as a Catholic, I am all for harsh criticism of Catholicism, because, when my Church acquires too much unaccountable power, it starts burning dissenters at the stake. Or at least it starts keeping Irishmen from buying condoms. In contrast, when my Church is down and out, as in Communist Poland, it can do noble deeds."
He's a "Catholic." But "practicing"? Does he believe Christ is the son of God? Life after death? I won't believe it until I hear it from him.
I think Sailer identifies as a cultural Catholic somewhat.
I don't know about what he actually thinks about all the various points of Catholic dogma, or even basic Christian beliefs, but I suspect he might lean towards a soft theism. He certainly doesn't come across as one of those militant materialist/reductionist types. And he did overcome a dangerous and almost fatal bout with cancer.
But he's never really specified his beliefs, so until he does I suppose it's up in the air.
Where does the 70-30 percentage come into play? Any sources/evidence for this specific ratio?
Who cares if Sailer is Catholic? He doesn't make arguments predicated on religious doctrines that I have seen. Newton and Euler were religious fanatics, but managed to be able to think logically on other topics. If next year someone digs up a letter or essay written by Darwin that espouses a religious faith, it will be irrelevant to the basis of the theories he proposed.
It is possible to agree with someone on one topic and not on another, and for neither party to be some kind of idiot. There are far too many reasonable, productive religious babies to throw out with the religious bath water.
Social conservatives are as likely as any to see the obvious fact that people inherit traits from their parents, and like anyone else, they aren't going to shout hbd ideas from the roof because that would be suicide for their agenda. Also the media quite effectively squashes honest discussion of the topic to the extent that many fair-minded gainfully-employed busy people don't have all the facts, so to speak. Not so fair-minded liberals have a stake in maintaining the current "belief" because they gain from liberal hegemony.
"You may want to give another example from basketball. There was an assumption that within the basketball teams of highest level there should be a correlation between height and performance (I do not know how one can measure the latter, but somehow people do measure it.)"
If my example was only for NBA type players, you would be correct. But my example is RANDOM people, so I think that's irrelevant.
As for Sailer's religious beliefs, I'd probably categorize him as such. He believes in a Designer God (cosmological argument) and maybe a God who barely cares about humans (pushed along evolution but doesn't really know what's going on here). He's a cultural Catholic too.
But he assuredly is not an atheist given some antagonistic statements against atheism.
70/30 split comes from hereditary estimates. I've seen from 50-80. I think Jensen puts it around 75/25.
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